Hopesy Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 As i started the thread i feel i have to write something. I started the thread as the subject was something i felt very strongly about and i needed a rant. I should have guessed that the thread would soon go off on a tangent (as usually happens on here). I didn't intend for the thread to become a personal slanging match. I apologise for starting the thread to anyone who took offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 In my opinion, I don't think you have anything to apologise for, Hopesey. 'Conversations' go off at tangents and do get a bit heated - that's life. If I offended anyone, I, too, apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordThornber Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Roger, I agree with Janine. You started the thread, not the war. I didn't see the thread of late so perhaps it had deteriorated, I'd quite enjoyed reading and digesting the posts, (spats?), between Brian and Malc, (and others too), what a shame it reached a point where it had to go. Martyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Agreed both made some valid points and I could well have been the last to post (was it something I said!!!!!????) in that whilst I certainly do not relish the idea of the BNP gaining ground, I do see it as an inevitable consequence of the Politically Correct nonsense that allows the absurdity of a Black Police Association but not one for "white" Police officers as the later is deemed to be racist whilst the former is not. It is a shame that some very good, interesting and thought provoking content has now been lost. So could we all endeavour not to "lose our rags" on here. I know it is difficult and I admit I have been one to "lose it" a tad myself (not so much on here but when the anti 4x4 numpties focussed on the Prac Caravan Forum several years ago it got very unsavoury indeed *-) So I appreciate how some content can wind us all up. But if we all try to "play the ball - not the player" ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROON Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Reiterate all that Clive said. I think we were all getting 'intense' because the subject was highly motivated but nonetheless very important and needing to be discussed. All topics go off at tangents, as that is what keeps them running, and I would think that anyone running a site would wish that to happen. I don't know if it was my post about what I had seen happen to black policemen on my travels (which really upset me when I saw them and felt helpless) which got it removed and hence I didn't give any details. If so, I apologise to whoever found it offensive. Joy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatterdog Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Havent the moderators got the facilty to delete just the 'offending 'posts rather than the whole thread, it was bound to be a hot topic as it was in the 'news' but arnt we still are basically a nation of free speech or maybe not. I know the forum has to look to the powers that be, and i dont know how far the thread degenerated, but surely selective removal is possible with maybe a pm to the poster of the removed post. The way we are going everyone is going to be looking over their shouder and keeping 'mum' just incase they unknowingly offend someone from the PC brigade. Are we not allowed to be patriotic anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hopesy - 2009-03-16 10:50 AM As i started the thread i feel i have to write something. I started the thread as the subject was something i felt very strongly about and i needed a rant. I should have guessed that the thread would soon go off on a tangent (as usually happens on here). I didn't intend for the thread to become a personal slanging match. I apologise for starting the thread to anyone who took offence. Hopesy, Why should you apologise for starting a valid thread that concerns everyone? the ones who should apologise are the several gutless wonders who under the cloak of anonymity complained to the mods. No doubt it was the content of my posts that they objected to, for which I make no apology, why could they not have PM'd me to complain? These are no doubt the type of people who phone the town hall cleansing department that poor old Mr and Mrs Jones of Acacia Av are not recycling their rubbish in the correct manner. Throughout that thread I myself learned a lot courtesy of Brian, the people who objected did exactly what happened in Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia, denouncing people for 30 pieces of silver, so I say to those people come forward and introduce yourselves, no doubt they are the dormant members who look in but dont post because they live such dull uninteresting lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 chatterdog - 2009-03-16 2:22 PM Havent the moderators got the facilty to delete just the 'offending 'posts rather than the whole thread, it was bound to be a hot topic as it was in the 'news' but arnt we still are basically a nation of free speech or maybe not. I know the forum has to look to the powers that be, and i dont know how far the thread degenerated, but surely selective removal is possible with maybe a pm to the poster of the removed post. The way we are going everyone is going to be looking over their shouder and keeping 'mum' just incase they unknowingly offend someone from the PC brigade. Are we not allowed to be patriotic anymore If you have to go through life in fear of upsetting or offending anyone, then life is not worth living, if you take notice of the PC brigade who are there purely and simply to stifle the truth then you are doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Perhaps it should be the 'several complainants' referred to by the Mods who should be apologising for their PC 'crime' of impairing free speech together with their inability to be open minded enough to consider all points of view and then take it all with a pinch of salt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 knight of the road - 2009-03-16 5:19 PM Hopesy - 2009-03-16 10:50 AM As i started the thread i feel i have to write something. I started the thread as the subject was something i felt very strongly about and i needed a rant. I should have guessed that the thread would soon go off on a tangent (as usually happens on here). I didn't intend for the thread to become a personal slanging match. I apologise for starting the thread to anyone who took offence. Hopesy, Why should you apologise for starting a valid thread that concerns everyone? the ones who should apologise are the several gutless wonders who under the cloak of anonymity complained to the mods. No doubt it was the content of my posts that they objected to, for which I make no apology, why could they not have PM'd me to complain? These are no doubt the type of people who phone the town hall cleansing department that poor old Mr and Mrs Jones of Acacia Av are not recycling their rubbish in the correct manner. Throughout that thread I myself learned a lot courtesy of Brian, the people who objected did exactly what happened in Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia, denouncing people for 30 pieces of silver, so I say to those people come forward and introduce yourselves, no doubt they are the dormant members who look in but dont post because they live such dull uninteresting lives. KOTR - Do you really think your posting above helps things? You make sweeping statements about people who you do not know, you have no idea why those who complained did so, who they are etc, yet you feel able to hurl accusations and abuse at them. You said .... No doubt it was the content of my posts that they objected to, for which I make no apology, why could they not have PM'd me to complain? If it was you that was the cause of the complaints why on earth would the complainants bother to PM you? It is obvious from the above that you don't give a hoot anyway and that comes across quite often in other threads as well. I don't have a problem with people complaining, they are entitled to do so, the moderator considers the complaints and acts as he sees fit, he decides whether a thread is pulled or not, not the forum members. Are you therefore calling the moderator gutless too? (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Tracker - 2009-03-16 5:37 PM Perhaps it should be the 'several complainants' referred to by the Mods who should be apologising for their PC 'crime' of impairing free speech together with their inability to be open minded enough to consider all points of view and then take it all with a pinch of salt? Richard ... some of what I have said to KOTR is applicable to this as well, you don't know why the complaints were levied, or who did so. If you are truly open minded yourself then IMV you wouldn't make these type of comments either. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donna miller Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 People, let's not fall out over this. A thread was posted, people added their views, some objected, a few complained and the thread got pulled, it's not the first time it's happened, and I'm sure it wont be the last. It's just a shame that the mods haven't the courtesy to list what the complaints were, no need to name names. It does rather fuel the thought that freedom of speech is fast becoming a thing of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Chapman Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Would it not have been better for the moderator to say why the thread has been pulled under the Acceptable use Policy. If I offended then I apologise. Noticed that the Caravan Guard thread has also been pulled so there is some consistency. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymer C 9. Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I thought it a shame this thread was pulled, I thought a couple of the posts that Brian Kirby had posted were well thought out and with all the other posts gave a wide variety of thought, you don't always have to agree with everything but it is interesting to see the different outlooks that individual people have and not just what we are fed by the newspapers. Carol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Mel B - 2009-03-16 6:05 PM Tracker - 2009-03-16 5:37 PM Perhaps it should be the 'several complainants' referred to by the Mods who should be apologising for their PC 'crime' of impairing free speech together with their inability to be open minded enough to consider all points of view and then take it all with a pinch of salt? Richard ... some of what I have said to KOTR is applicable to this as well, you don't know why the complaints were levied, or who did so. If you are truly open minded yourself then IMV you wouldn't make these type of comments either. :-| Interesting that you should want to lump my view in with KOTR's for the purpose of expressing your own views Mel? I deliberately stayed out of the Protest thread because I was able to see and empathise with parts of many of the very differing viewpoints - although less so with the way in which some of them were written. True, indeed I don't know why complaints were made - how could I - if indeed there were any complaints made - but wouldn't it have been good if the complainants had felt able to voice their complaints on the forum instead of hiding behind anonymity? Perhaps had they been confident of being able to express their concerns without fear of being personally attacked in return it might have helped? I consider that being able to listen to and accept and understand varying points of view whilst not necessarily agreeing with all or some of them constitutes being open minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handyman Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I didnt read the thread or know what it was about.......... but i also apologise if I offended anyone (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 When I first joined this group I checked things out, and on the chatterbox forum it says "chat about anything and everything" and that is exactly what I did, little realising that this is an ever so politically correct group and if you don't kow-tow to the little Hitlers you are out of the game. Controversial issues that are of concern and interest to lots of people are discouraged, remember the "Baby P" thread? it hardly got off the ground. If, on the protest thread it was I that was the cause for concern I would have preferred that the mods had contacted me and said "cool it" One of my pet hates are "snitchers" and those members who responded to the "protest" thread who may have opposed my posts all they had to do was PM me, just the same as the several complainants, but then again they wouldn't do that would they? because their anononimity would be blown wouldn't it? In conclusion, if my presence and contributions to this forum are not welcome could the objectors make their thoughts known by PMing me. Regards Knight of the road. Ps, there are some good members on the group and I would like to say that I have enjoyed mixing it with them, pity about the others though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 We've been here before I think. The owners of this (private) website and its forum are bound by the laws of England, both criminal law (racism etc) and by civil law (libel etc). They don't make those laws. But they get big fines, big courts cases, big bad publicity if prosecuted for allowing a breach of criminal law, or for appearing to condone libelous statements under civil law.(They can be "joined" in such a civil court case even if they were not the individuals making the alledgedly libelous statments) They are running a business. We are freeloading on that as users of this forum. But we need to understand the boundaries here. It ain't a democracy or a social service, it's a privately run Company...run to make profits; and not risk them by allowing potential illegality on its website. Surely people can grasp that Chatterbox doesn't literally mean that people can with impunity post utterly anything, no matter how offensive to others, or potentially in breach of criminal laws, simply becuase the strapline says "discuss anything". Anything that anyone posts in this forum is, legally, published by that person "in the public domain". Might I suggest that anyone whose grasp of what is likely to be offensive to the site owners/Police/other readers of their postings just reads through the AUP rules here once again....the same rules that each of us agreed we would follow when we first asked to become a member of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Bruce, I accept your point, but things can and do get a little heated so it would be better I think if the mods did a little wrist slapping perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hopesy - 2009-03-16 10:50 AM As i started the thread i feel i have to write something. I started the thread as the subject was something i felt very strongly about and i needed a rant. I should have guessed that the thread would soon go off on a tangent (as usually happens on here). I didn't intend for the thread to become a personal slanging match. I apologise for starting the thread to anyone who took offence. IMO you have nothing to apologise for, I too was steaming about the protest in my town of birth, it's when it degenerated to racist comment that it all went pear shaped. I will quite happily discus politics, it's a choice. I will happily point out to the religious where they are going wrong, it's a choice. I will not critisise someone because of the colour they where born, nor judge their worth because of the colour of their skin, I will proboly not contribute to any thread which does, but I will report it as offensive as I did in this case, don't like it, hard luck, because thats all I'm going to say on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geof Angi Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I'm sorry Sorry that is for working away and missing this thred, it sounds as if it was very interesting and I would have liked to at least had a read Geof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, springs to mind. By the way, I'm going to ask the mod's to pull the Fiat Juddergate thread as it is affecting re-sale values of the affected vehicles and also might result in the loss of revenue for Fiat. But I'll do it anonymously of course. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Least said, soonest mended? Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopesy Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 perhaps the last word as i started it........... i suppose a rule of thumb would be "we'd be asked to leave if we were having the row down the pub" so we were asked to leave the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Tracker - 2009-03-16 7:22 PM Mel B - 2009-03-16 6:05 PM Tracker - 2009-03-16 5:37 PM Perhaps it should be the 'several complainants' referred to by the Mods who should be apologising for their PC 'crime' of impairing free speech together with their inability to be open minded enough to consider all points of view and then take it all with a pinch of salt? Richard ... some of what I have said to KOTR is applicable to this as well, you don't know why the complaints were levied, or who did so. If you are truly open minded yourself then IMV you wouldn't make these type of comments either. :-| Interesting that you should want to lump my view in with KOTR's for the purpose of expressing your own views Mel? It just so happened that I responded to you immediately after I responded to KOTR and didn't have the time to re-type some of what I had mentioned, I didn't 'lump' you with anyone - you are an individual in your own right, as we all are! :-D I'm now off to do something important .. bath Midge and do his poorly feet, possibly speak to you all again later if I get the chance! :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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