chatterdog Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Wine and Water To my friend who enjoys a glass of wine.. . and those who don't. As Ben Franklin said: In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. In a number of carefully controlled trials, scientists have demonstrated that if we drink 1 litre of water each day, at the end of the year we would have absorbed more than 1 kilo of Escherichia coli, (E. coli) - bacteria found in feces. In other words, we are consuming 1 kilo of poop. However, we do NOT run that risk when drinking wine & beer (or tequila, rum, whisky or other liquor), because alcohol has to go through a purification process of boiling, filtering and/or fermenting. Remember: Water = Poop, Wine = Health . Therefore, it's better to drink wine and talk stupid, than to drink water and be full of crap . There is no need to thank me for this valuable information: I'm doing it as a public service. copied from another forum - but it makes you think a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Thanks anyway Chatterdog. It's that kind of information that makes this forum so worthwhile. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapido-lass Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 No wonder Jesus turned the water into wine!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick H. Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Rapido-lass - 2009-03-16 12:43 PM No wonder Jesus turned the water into wine!!! I'm even cleverer than that. I can turn wine into water. Much more enjoyable Mick. P.S. Don't forget my website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapido-lass Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Mick H. - 2009-03-16 1:23 PM Rapido-lass - 2009-03-16 12:43 PM No wonder Jesus turned the water into wine!!! I'm even cleverer than that. I can turn wine into water. Much more enjoyable Mick. P.S. Don't forget my website. And would this water of yours have been through your own personal distillery??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Jones Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 You'll have heard the one about the early 20th century "Temperance" preacher who wanted to illustrate the perils of drink? He put a worm in a glass of water, and let his audience see it wriggling around quite contentedly. Then he transferred it to a glass of whisky (history does not tell us where he got that!) and the audience watched in horror as it shrivelled up and died. "Now my friends, what does that tell you?" he boomed. The inevitable wit at the back called out "IF YOU'VE GOT WORMS, DRINK WHISKY!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Jones Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 And on a closely related subject, what does the "team" think of Liam Donaldson's latest bright idea? (min price for alcohol: 50p/"unit") The binge drinkers I hear about mostly do it in bars and clubs, where the price of the stuff doesn't seem to be too cheap. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatterdog Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 But Tony its not what they drink in the pubs and clubs its what they drink before they get there. It is not unusual for a group of girls to have consumed a bottle or two of vodka between them before they hit the town for a 'good' night out. The same applies to the lads but they usually have drunk a number of cans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick H. Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Rapido-lass - 2009-03-16 2:10 PM Mick H. - 2009-03-16 1:23 PM Rapido-lass - 2009-03-16 12:43 PM No wonder Jesus turned the water into wine!!! I'm even cleverer than that. I can turn wine into water. Much more enjoyable Mick. P.S. Don't forget my website. And would this water of yours have been through your own personal distillery??? Totally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Tony Jones - 2009-03-16 2:23 PM And on a closely related subject, what does the "team" think of Liam Donaldson's latest bright idea? (min price for alcohol: 50p/"unit") The binge drinkers I hear about mostly do it in bars and clubs, where the price of the stuff doesn't seem to be too cheap. Tony I don't like the idea that because of binge drinkers, the price of everyone else's drinks should go up. My solution would be to impose a minimum fine of £100 on anyone found drunk in a public place, and if they are causing any distress or harrassment to other people, make it £500. With the aid of CCTV or hand held cameras it shouldn't be too difficult to produce evidence to back up the charges. ...and if need be, they should clean the place up afterwards. It is said that these people cost the NHS a lot of money, so the fines could go to the NHS. That would only make alcohol expensive for those who have too much, and is a more targetted response to the problem. ( I thought there used to be a law aginst being drunk in a public place - if so, whatever happened to that ?) :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susan pooley Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 where we live there are they are trying too get certain areas drink free for example our town park people with children are getting fed up with drunks coming up to them not all that good when all you are doing is taking your children too school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Good plan, Susan. We have local laws against drinking in the Town centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 J9withdogs - 2009-03-16 4:08 PM Good plan, Susan. We have local laws against drinking in the Town centre. Those laws seem a bit lame to me. Presumably if you get drunk and go into the town centre, or indeed into Susans' park, you won't be committing an offence. What's the point of that ? :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donna miller Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 malc d - 2009-03-16 3:10 PM My solution would be to impose a minimum fine of £100 on anyone found drunk in a public place, :-( I think I can safely say that many members on here have been "drunk" and in a public place, (campsite, etc). However, this does not mean that they are causing any sort of problem. How exactly would you define "drunk", let's say for arguments sake you based it on the legal drink drive limit, would you apply your £100 fine to a couple walking to their M/home from a social get together with a few friends. Would you be happy to be stopped and breathalysed as you walked back from a friends bar-b-que after having 3-4 glasses of wine, because that would probably put you over the limit. The problem of drink fuelled violence on our streets does need addressing, however, I'm afraid punishing a thousand to catch ten, is never a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly58 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Somewhere someones missed one small point was there binge drinking and drunken idiots en mass before drinking hours were extended and offeys were open all hours night and day I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 donna miller - 2009-03-16 6:36 PM malc d - 2009-03-16 3:10 PM My solution would be to impose a minimum fine of £100 on anyone found drunk in a public place, :-( I think I can safely say that many members on here have been "drunk" and in a public place, (campsite, etc). However, this does not mean that they are causing any sort of problem. How exactly would you define "drunk", let's say for arguments sake you based it on the legal drink drive limit, would you apply your £100 fine to a couple walking to their M/home from a social get together with a few friends. Would you be happy to be stopped and breathalysed as you walked back from a friends bar-b-que after having 3-4 glasses of wine, because that would probably put you over the limit. The problem of drink fuelled violence on our streets does need addressing, however, I'm afraid punishing a thousand to catch ten, is never a good idea. Donna I think I should have made that " drunk and disorderly " (and not just drunk) which used to be an offence anyway so I'm sure a legal definition already exists. I would class a campsite as 'private property', not a public place, so it would be up to others campers and the owners of the site to decide whether or not you were a nuisance. At the moment there seems to be no sanctions at all against 'the ten' that you refer to. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Rapido-lass - 2009-03-16 2:10 PM Mick H. - 2009-03-16 1:23 PM Rapido-lass - 2009-03-16 12:43 PM No wonder Jesus turned the water into wine!!! I'm even cleverer than that. I can turn wine into water. Much more enjoyable Mick. P.S. Don't forget my website. And would this water of yours have been through your own personal distillery??? As long as it has been passed by the management it should be safe enough when deposited randomly on the grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopesy Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 kelly58 - 2009-03-16 7:50 PM Somewhere someones missed one small point was there binge drinking and drunken idiots en mass before drinking hours were extended and offeys were open all hours night and day I think not. I think you'll find there was. City centres were a nightmare at 11pm when they all kicked out together now they're a nightmare later on. There has always been binge drinking and as has been said the idiots will drink cheap booze before they hit the town always have always will. If the numpties in charge think increasing price will cut it out it shows just out of touch they are. They will find cheap booze from somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usinmyknaus Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 The weakness of the current system regarding drunkenness is a lack of personal accountability, such that there are no appropriate consequences for drunken misbehaviour. This fuels the binge culture and denies most people safe access to our towns and cities at night. I would like to see a simple, well-publicised tarif for all those picked up by the police for drunk and disorderly behaviour: Transport to police station. £50, "Booking in Fee" £50, "Hotel fee" for overnight in cells (breakfast provided of course) £200. Total payable on departure £300. If the bill is not settled on departure £150 collection fee is added to the total. The fees are collected as follows - letter authorised by Police Inspector rank or above to "customer's" employer mandating the bill is settled at the rate of 50% of the customers pick-up pay per week or month, or if on benefits, letter goes to Job Centre and 50% of gross weekly benefit is paid to police until debt is cleared. No ifs, buts or maybes, no hard luck stories, no grasping human rights lawyers or liberal apologists, it gets paid and quickly, period. This system would also have the benefit of avoiding a criminal record, (could have been an honest, one off slip up after all) saving court time for unpaid fines etc, and, if the miscreant is employed, he/she gets it in the neck from the boss for the inconvenience for the pay section and if on benefits, gets it in the neck from her/him indoors. I like, most people, enjoy a quiet, sociable drink, but I fundamentally disagree with the idea of punishing everyone through taxation in an ultimately doomed attempt to disuade the irresponsible minority from doing what they like. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick H. Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Usinmyknaus - 2009-03-17 8:42 AM The weakness of the current system regarding drunkenness is a lack of personal accountability, such that there are no appropriate consequences for drunken misbehaviour. This fuels the binge culture and denies most people safe access to our towns and cities at night. I would like to see a simple, well-publicised tarif for all those picked up by the police for drunk and disorderly behaviour: Transport to police station. £50, "Booking in Fee" £50, "Hotel fee" for overnight in cells (breakfast provided of course) £200. Total payable on departure £300. If the bill is not settled on departure £150 collection fee is added to the total. The fees are collected as follows - letter authorised by Police Inspector rank or above to "customer's" employer mandating the bill is settled at the rate of 50% of the customers pick-up pay per week or month, or if on benefits, letter goes to Job Centre and 50% of gross weekly benefit is paid to police until debt is cleared. No ifs, buts or maybes, no hard luck stories, no grasping human rights lawyers or liberal apologists, it gets paid and quickly, period. This system would also have the benefit of avoiding a criminal record, (could have been an honest, one off slip up after all) saving court time for unpaid fines etc, and, if the miscreant is employed, he/she gets it in the neck from the boss for the inconvenience for the pay section and if on benefits, gets it in the neck from her/him indoors. I like, most people, enjoy a quiet, sociable drink, but I fundamentally disagree with the idea of punishing everyone through taxation in an ultimately doomed attempt to disuade the irresponsible minority from doing what they like. Bob I agree with out of court finings but with this system it could go the same as speed cameras and the police could see it as a nice little earner and anybody who is just enjoying a night out could be hauled in as drunk and disorderly, leaving even less room for the real criminals. Mick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Mick H. - 2009-03-17 9:10 AM Usinmyknaus - 2009-03-17 8:42 AM The weakness of the current system regarding drunkenness is a lack of personal accountability, such that there are no appropriate consequences for drunken misbehaviour. This fuels the binge culture and denies most people safe access to our towns and cities at night. I would like to see a simple, well-publicised tarif for all those picked up by the police for drunk and disorderly behaviour: Transport to police station. £50, "Booking in Fee" £50, "Hotel fee" for overnight in cells (breakfast provided of course) £200. Total payable on departure £300. If the bill is not settled on departure £150 collection fee is added to the total. The fees are collected as follows - letter authorised by Police Inspector rank or above to "customer's" employer mandating the bill is settled at the rate of 50% of the customers pick-up pay per week or month, or if on benefits, letter goes to Job Centre and 50% of gross weekly benefit is paid to police until debt is cleared. No ifs, buts or maybes, no hard luck stories, no grasping human rights lawyers or liberal apologists, it gets paid and quickly, period. This system would also have the benefit of avoiding a criminal record, (could have been an honest, one off slip up after all) saving court time for unpaid fines etc, and, if the miscreant is employed, he/she gets it in the neck from the boss for the inconvenience for the pay section and if on benefits, gets it in the neck from her/him indoors. I like, most people, enjoy a quiet, sociable drink, but I fundamentally disagree with the idea of punishing everyone through taxation in an ultimately doomed attempt to disuade the irresponsible minority from doing what they like. Bob I agree with out of court finings but with this system it could go the same as speed cameras and the police could see it as a nice little earner and anybody who is just enjoying a night out could be hauled in as drunk and disorderly, leaving even less room for the real criminals. Mick. That is why my idea would invlove the police using either CCTV or video footage which would prove that the person was 'drunk and disorderly'. They are carted back to the nick, charged a hotel fee for their overnight stay, and shown the video when they have sobered up. They are then given the choice of paying fixed penalties or going to court to defend themselves. Either all the fine goes to the NHS or split with the police. It's a shame that so many people can't " enjoy a night out" without getting drunk - and the law wouldn't stop them doing that - it would just deter them from being a bl...y nuisance to everybody else. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usinmyknaus Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Mick, fair point. I think Malcd's idea about video evidence taken at the time would help, and the police could always breathalyse as well. If the miscreant wants to take issue they can complain to the police complaints authority or a similar body perhaps. I would just like to see swift, unavoidable cash punishment which eats into these pests' beer budgets, does not clog up the courts, does not feed lawyers' Legal Aid habit and perhaps defrays some of the police forces' costs. I have not taken my family for a summer evening out in the nearest major town for more than 4 years because drink-related problems are so widespread. Last time we went, there were yobs and yobettes chanting and shouting foul language from just 8.30 p.m. onwards and by 10 we were stepping round pools of vomit and crossing the road to avoid groups and scuffles outside the main bars and clubs. Even in my small town there is drunken chanting, screams, yobbishness and vandalism pretty much every weekend night. Another example was walking into Bournemouth town centre last summer on a Sunday morning from the railway station. One road on our route led to an area packed with clubs, pubs and bars. Over a several hundred yards long stretch of pavement it proved impossible to not be looking at pools of either vomit or urine. Horrendous. At least it is still a minority of people who misbehave but their impact is disproportionate to their numbers. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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