Mel B Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Sorry, not to do with motorhomes per se but it's quite important and this is the most 'frequented' forum! On the news today it was quite strongly suggested that the government money for the scheme is likely to run out in October and will not be 'topped' up, even though the scheme is supposed to run into next year. I've been out with my friend today who is looking to scrap her R reg car which she used to tow behind her motorhome (ah-ha - yes there IS a motorhome link! :-> ) and was looking at the Scoda Fabia, which, under the scheme and with a dealer contribution too, would cost her the sum of £5995 on the road! Anyway, the only word of caution the dealer gave was to move quickly if she was going to do this. He wasn't pushing to get her to buy a car from him (I've met him before and he is a very nice genuine chap), but said that whoever she got a car from, she should do it soon as. The reason for this is that by the time the car is located and delivered to the dealer she's buying from it could take 3-4 weeks, assuming it's already been made. As the government money won't be 'allocated' until the car is registered, if it does take 4 weeks this could be at the tail end of the scheme or even too late and whilst the dealership would still honour it's £1650 contribution, she could lose the £1000 contribution. If you know anyone who's looking to buy a car and taking advantage of the government's contribution, I'd suggest you hasten them along! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randonneur Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 The other thing to bear in mind also is that even if the car is ordered but not delivered before the end of the year there will be an increase in VAT back to 17.5% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W3526602 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 even if the car is ordered but not delivered before the end of the year there will be an increase in VAT back to 17.5% Hi, One way round that is to put down a 100% deposit NOW. ???? I'm not suggesting that, by the way. I couldn't get my head round the reduced VAT thing. Dropping the price by 2.5%, on almost anything, didn't make me rush out and buy it. You? But if I was going to buy something anyway, well thank you very much ...... and that was a bit less money going into the Treasury. I see there is a shortage of second-hand cars, which they are blaming on the Scrappage Scheme. But that would only cause a shortage of 10 year old cars. I reckon that fewer new cars a year ago, will reduce the stock of second-hand year-old cars today. And people not buying new cars will also unflood the second-hand market. My idea would have been for HMG to put a £200 bid on EVERY car with an MOT that appeared on Ebay. I costs nothing to bid. Scrap the cars that they do win. That will drain out the bottom end of the market, force people to go up-market. £200? OK, I'm living in the past ..... or am I. A year ago you could tell Ebay to list every car within a 50 mile radius of your post code, that was less than £100, with one hour to go. You would usually find a few, with MOTs, that dealers had taken as trade ins. Probably the quickest and easiest way of disposing of them. Not any more, you can't. 602 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messerschmitt owner Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 only 110000 cars have been sold on the scrappage scheme so far! Tjere is no rush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randonneur Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 We have the Scrappage Scheme over here as well, I don't know how successful it has been. Also secondhand cars are more expensive in France than in the UK and VAT is 19.6%. The French people don't seem to change their cars very often unless there is something drastically wrong with them. They are not status symbols but are a means of getting around. Obviously somewhere like Paris is a different matter. We have just imported a car that belonged to a Friend of ours since new, if we had bought the same car here it would have cost us well over 1500€ more plus the cost of re-registering it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The scrapage scheme has been widely reported as expecting to run out of money next month. The price of secondhand cars has suposedly increased at record levels, could this be because of scrapage scheme? When both the scrapage scheme and VAT decrease where anounced most 'experts' said they where a waste, now industry is clamering for there retention! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messerschmitt owner Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 colin - 2009-09-13 10:55 AM The scrapage scheme has been widely reported as expecting to run out of money next month. The price of secondhand cars has suposedly increased at record levels, could this be because of scrapage scheme? When both the scrapage scheme and VAT decrease where anounced most 'experts' said they where a waste, now industry is clamering for there retention! between the launch of the scrappage scheme and Aug 31 this year, 102,071 new vehicles have been sold under the scheme - this leaves approx £198M still to be spent by the Government on the scheme. Hyundai sold 12,747 cars, being the most successful brand under the scheme. Ford is second with 12,288, Toyota third with 8,619, Fiat fourth with Fiat, Abarth and Alfa Romeo at 7,429 cars, next is Kia at 7,372, after Kia is Vauxhall at 6,993, then VW at 5,211, Peugeot at 5,026 and ninth is Suzuki at 4,808 vehicles. Any hype about the money running out is being generated by greedy dealers wanting to panic you into buying a car!! There is an increase in secondhand values for numerous reasons, but mainly because fewer people are buying new cars and if they want to replace they are therefore buying secondhand. AT the same time the numbers of year old secondhand cars are at low levels too due to the fall off in demand a year ago. Don't believe all you hear or read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted September 15, 2009 Author Share Posted September 15, 2009 But do you know how many cars have been ordered during that time and have yet to be paid for and registered? September is normally a 'popular' month with the new registrations coming out. My friend needs to change her car sooner rather than later so it's not a major problem for her to get one now and benefit from the scheme - rather do that than run the risk of the money running out and her being £1000 out of pocket. The worry of the money running out is coming from various sources, so safer to heed the 'advice' than risk losing out. As for second hand cars, some of the price 'increases', as I understand it, are hyped up - they are based on a comparison with prices a year ago when they were at rock bottom so of course they're gonna look 'expensive' comparted to then. However, a friend of ours has definitely found that his car's value has stayed high - he paid £14,000 for it a year ago from a dealers, and it's still worth £13,000 at trade in against a cheaper car!!!! 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob b Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 There was an article in Saturdays Telegraph (motoring section) about this very subject. The article stated that there is no need to be pressured into the scrapage scheme now. The Chancellor allocated £300,000,000 for the scheme and has spent £100,000,000 to date. Car dealers are spreading the rumour for their own ends.You can read the article on-line on the Telegraph website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhorsf Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 car dealers being economical with the truth?would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9gates Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 i think the scrappage scheme has been a bit of a waste of time and hasn't really "helped" the people that they said it would help. I have an S-reg car and have had it now for 2 years so as far as the governemt or dealers care, i am eligible to claim for the scheme. HOWEVER, i still can't afford it!! When the scheme first came out, i though it was supposed to be offered on ALL cars, but having had a good lok around, dealers only appear to be offering it on "selected" cars/models - more expensive ones at that!! And the finance deals they offer on some of the cheaper ones still make it far too expensive for me. Do they not think that if i did have £200 spare a month to spend on a new car i would own an S-reg? Scrappage scheme or not! I'm stuffed really, can't afford NOT to do it as i will never get £2000 again for my car in a month of sundays, but i can't afford TO do it beacuse i still have to buy a car that will cost me more than i can afford! :'( i'll just have to keep topping my car up with oil every week in the hope that it doesnt completely die on me, as i will then have to cycle 40 miles to and from work every day as i too have noticed that second hand cars are getting MUCH newer and MUCH more expensive. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted September 18, 2009 Author Share Posted September 18, 2009 I wouldn't say that at £5995 a Scoda Fabia, which by the way is a very nice 5 door car, is expensive! If you have your mind set on something like a Ford Fiesta though you can add another £4,000 to that easily. You don't have to take the finance deals that the car dealers are offering either, shop around for finance, it's easier (and cheaper) to get that it was a few months ago, that way you can get a loan that suits you and what you can afford to pay plus it won't be tied to the car either. No one is making you buy a new car but bear in mind that with a new car you get a warranty (anywhere up to 5 years!), free recovery with a lot of them, road tax etc - this means you dont' have to then fork out for repairs, new tyres, MOT, etc, or extra engine oil! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9gates Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 oh no, please dont get me wrong, i think if you can afford to get the skoda for that low price then go for it! I'm just saying that i don't feel the scheme has me helped me personally at all. I know exactly what your saying about a new car having a warranty etc and has the ability to hold onto its own oil and i won't have broken down with seized brakes 5 months ago and had to spend £500 on new calipers, brake pads, brake discs, brake hoses etc etc and i really really WISH i could buy a new car, i just physically am not able to. I am on a student bursary and so at the moment every penny counts!! I could possibly stretch to £70 pcm repayments but i have no money for a deposit or anything so i would have to rely on part exchange for my car, which let's face it wouldn't be much as i would only be able to afford a second hand car...... .....although i did hear an advert on the radio this morning about a company called carcraft offering the 2k discount on used cars too, i may have to investigate that one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 The scrappage scheme hasn't helped me personally either, I don't own a car old enough to qualify. But even if I did it wouldn't "help" as I couldn't afford to buy a new car even with the 2K+ discount. Am I bothered? Not a bit. The scrappage scheme has helped my dad however. He was running a 1992 Peugeot 405 that he'd owned since it was six months old (ex demonstrator so he got a good deal on it) but through this scheme he's been able to chop it in against a Kia Rio 1.4 with air con, leccy windows, MP3 and USB CD sound system, ally wheels etc and only paid 6K after the discount. Oh yes it comes with a six year unlimited mileage warranty too! Lot of car for little money, on behalf of my father I'd like to say thanks to Gordon Brown and his team for the scrappage scheme :D . D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Just been re-reading this thread and it seems to confirm what I thought, the majority of vehicles bought by people taking advantage of the scrappage scheme have been built abroad. Wouldn't it have been better for the country if the government had brought in a scheme to benefit British manufacturing? :-) Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Jones Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 When I bought "Roxie," in MArch 08, I sold a 12-yr-old Escort for £400. Missed out by a year, as the scheme wasn't running then - boo-hoo. :'( My point is, a scheme like this will only ever benefit a few, who happen to be in the right circs at the right time. Incidentally, it'll do nothing for the environment either, as most of the damage caused by any car is in its manufacture and disposal, so keeping an old banger running til it falls apart is actually BETTER for the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share Posted September 19, 2009 Tony Jones - 2009-09-19 8:50 AM ... so keeping an old banger running til it falls apart is actually BETTER for the environment. You keep telling your Mrs that Tony! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messerschmitt owner Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Mel B - 2009-09-19 12:33 PM Tony Jones - 2009-09-19 8:50 AM ... so keeping an old banger running til it falls apart is actually BETTER for the environment. You keep telling your Mrs that Tony! :D except Mel, you of all people should know it is true! :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share Posted September 19, 2009 If it's one of your 'old bangers' it's certain true .. its much better on the pocket too as they go UP in value! My 'human' old banger is certainly appreciating in value at the moment ... can't say any more ... yet! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 We recently replaced our 1995 VW via the UK scrappage scheme. We were told when ordering the new car (a Skoda) that the UK government's £1000 contribution to the deal was 'ear marked' at the time of ordering the replacement vehicle - however, I've no idea if this is actually the case. One thing perhaps worth mentioning is that (contrary to advice given in the Telegraph's "Honest John" columns) it was possible to obtain a refund of the VW's remaining Vehicle Excise Duty. There is plenty of on-line stuff about the scrappage scheme. This is probably as good an example as any: http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/sectors/automotive/scrappage/page51068.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I forgot to add that new UK-marketed Skoda cars no longer come as standard with a spare wheel - just a can of goo and an inflator. However you can have a spare wheel as a bargain-price £40 option. Dependent on model of car, this will be either a full size steel wheel and tyre or a space-saver and, for a basic Fabia, it's almost certainly going to be the former. There's also a Tyre Pressure Monitor (TPM) option available on many models for about £85, but I'm not sure whether the cheapest Fabias can be fitted with it. It exploits the ABS system and would be a nice thing to have on motorhomes. The headlights on my Skoda can have their beam pattern easily adjusted to driving-on-the-right format. It's a 5-minute job that requires no tools and another thing that would be handy to have on motorhomes. The light-unit itself has a 'bull's eye' lens and carries a single-filament H7 bulb. I've seen lots of other makes of vehicle with similar looking light units (including a Hymer A-class), but I don't know if they all have the beam-swapping capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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