Syd Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Drivers acquitted of motoring charges will pay costs under new government scheme Could you afford to fight an unfair ticket?New regulations set to come into force later this month will see motorists forced to cough up court costs - even if they're found not guilty or acquitted of motoring offences. The government-inspired change to the current set-up - where drivers get costs refunded if they're innocent - is being implemented to save cash, in spite of fierce opposition from legal and motoring groups who were nominally 'consulted' before the new policy was drawn up. According to the Ministry of Justice, the age old principle of 'the loser pays' has been costing the government too much money. As a result the new rules make it clear that in future drivers will have to foot the bill for clearing their name. According to The Taxpayers Alliance, that equates to 400,000 people, or one in four of those who challenge a ticket. Now the Conservative party has joined the last ditch effort to derail the changes, and campaigners are looking for more signatories to a petition on the Number 10 website. We're off to go and sign the petition ourselves, and you can find out more by reading the press release below, that was issued by the Association of Motor Offence Lawyers today. YOU CAN SIGN THE PETITION HERE AMOL press Release: Tories Back Protest Against the MOJ's New Costs Recovery Rules & Vote for Parliamentary Debate Current law dictates that if you have paid for legal representation and are prosecuted for an offence and found not guilty, you will receive an order for your costs to be assessed and paid back by the court. However, according to the Ministry of Justice, this age old principle of "the loser pays" was costing the government too much money. A consultation was first announced in 2008 on restricting the costs the government has to pay as a result of losing so many cases. The consultation attracted responses from over 100 organisations and individuals. Responses included overwhelming opposition to the change in rules, as it was felt that if a person is proven innocent they should not be financially penalised with an extensive legal bill. The new rules, to be implemented in October, will mean that even if a defendant is acquitted of an offence, they will be expected to foot the majority of their legal bill themselves. In June 2009, the MOJ announced their plans to go ahead with their rule changes regardless of the resistance. Jeanette Miller, President of the Association of Motor Offence Lawyers, was astounded that the MOJ ignored the opposition and steam-rollered ahead with changes in the rules. Not satisfied with the MOJ's complete disregard to the protests raised during the consultation process, she launched an e-petition live on the no.10 website. To date the petition is backed by 3,559 signatures and the number is increasing every minute - http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CostsRecovery. Miss Jeanette Miller of the Association of Motor Offence Lawyers (AMOL) comments:"I recognize that government spending may need to be reduced but it will be taxpaying motorists and small businesses who will be most penalized by the planned rule change. Saving money at the expense of having a fair system with access to justice for all parties accused of a crime is not the answer. It will most likely result in increased costs as lawyers across the country are being briefed on a campaign to make wasted costs applications in every instance of CPS inefficiency which will result in the CPS being forced to pay sums expected to far outweigh the amount the government are seeking to save." The petition itself outlines the affect these rules will have on motorists, as legal aid is not available for the majority of motoring prosecutions and most members of the general public will appreciate the grave impact of the inability to defend a prosecution for a motoring offence being that there are currently around 27 million licence holders in the UK. However, if allowed to be implemented, the rule changes will also affect any defendant acquitted of a crime in the Magistrates' Court if they chose to instruct a lawyer who charges normal (not legal aid) rates. 1.4 million motorists were prosecuted through the Magistrates' Courts in 2007. 26% were found not guilty. This is a huge issue and until now, it seemed to be sweeping in under the carpet due to a lack of understanding of what it actually means to the average citizen on the street. So far the petition has support from the Law Society, dozens of QC's and the Criminal Bar Association have fully endorsed the sentiments behind the petition. The petition is also backed by the following organizations: 1. Association of Motor Offence Lawyers (AMOL); 2. Health and Safety Lawyers Association; 3. The Criminal Bar Association; 4. The Association of British Drivers; 5. Drivers' Alliance (responsible for the largest ever petition against road pricing who obtained 1.8 million signatures over a 3 month period); and 6. The London Criminal Solicitors' Association; 7. The Taxpayers' Alliance; and 8. The AA. Matthew Elliott, Chief Executive at the TaxPayers' Alliance said:"This proposal is unjust, unfair and will prevent innocent motorists from effectively fighting penalties. With police forces too often using speed cameras more to raise revenue than save lives, it is vital that people are given a fair opportunity to clear their names when given an unjust penalty charge; they shouldn't be financially punished if they are acquitted. Motorists will fight this to the hilt, and the Government is going to feel the full force of people power until it sees sense and backs down." Dominic Grieve QC MP, Shadow Secretary of State for Justice and MP for Beaconsfield commented: "I entirely share your concern about these proposals and do not believe that it is right that the defendant should only receive a fraction of their legal costs back from central funds if they are acquitted. While there may be an argument for preventing a claim for grossly excessive costs, the Government's proposals appear to me to be unfair and wrong." Since launching the petition, it has gathered increasing support from members of parliament. After spending an afternoon at the Houses of Parliament with Shadow Minister for Access to Justice, Henry Bellingham MP, he made the decision to call for a committee to be selected to pray against the new cost recovery rules, with a statutory instrument to be implemented at the end of October. Mr. Henry Bellingham MP is confident of a vote being organised within the next two weeks saying: "It is a disgrace that Ministers apparently have no intention of debating this issue in the House to justify themselves. That is why we will try to force a vote and a debate on the new regulations." Mr. Henry Bellingham MP went on to say: "If the Conservatives win the next election they will certainly wish to review this issue as far from saving money, it might actually trigger numerous additional cost that would far exceed the government's target to save £20 million per year." PRESS RELEASE ENDS
Keithl Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 Thanks for the post Syd. I've just added my signature. Keith.
Patricia Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 I have also just signed although I hope I am never in that position but it seems very unjust to me. How low can this government go to raise cash? British justice is being undermined yet again.
GJH Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 I just had a look at the petition and its wording is rather different from that in the press release: The Ministry of Justice plan to implement a new costs recovery system from October 2009. Under new rules any defendant acquitted of an offence in the Magistrates' Court will only be reimbursed at prevailing legal aid rates regardless of the level of costs they paid to their lawyers. This proposed rule change will undoubtedly mean that many defendants will accept wrongful prosecutions for commercial reasons. The Association of Motor Offence Lawyers (of which I am President) see thousands of convictions each year in the Magistrates' Court that should never occur due to misunderstanding of technical points concerning motoring legislation. If a defendant wishes to clear their name, they often have to take their case to the Crown Court. This can be an expensive process for which legal aid is unavailable which many will not embark upon with the knowledge that even when they win their appeal, they will lose the majority of the legal fees they spend in the process. The costs savings the government are seeing to make could be made by examining and improving other ineffective processes within the court system. It is not fair to pass yet another expense onto the public. So, the proposal is actually to place a limit on costs which can be recovered, not to refuse to reimburse costs at all. It is also worth noting that the government consultation paper - http://www.justice.gov.uk/consultations/award-costs-central-funds.htm - was published on 6 November last year with a closing date of 29 January this year - and yet it is only now, with the changes imminent, that this petition is being publicised. It would appear that the real driver is that some lawyers are becoming upset because the limit is to be set at the legal aid level rather than the exorbitant fees which some lawyers charge. Oh dear, some high-charging lawyers might be out of pocket, shame :-) Perhaps that will mean that they will have to cut their advertising budgets and we will no longer be under constant bombardment from no win no fee adverts on TV :-) Graham
duffers Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 Well said Graham, it pays to read the 'small print' and be cynical about hidden agenda
Mel B Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 Its all well and good the limit being set at 'legal aid' prices, but what if the person who is ultimately footing the bill, the 'innocent' motorist, can't get legal aid rates? They will still be expected to pay the fees so the lawyers won't lose out. :-S
GJH Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 There have often been criticisms that the entitlement to legal aid is set at the wrong level but, whilst it definitely bears scutiny, that is a different matter. However, the petition and press release (whether they mean to or not) imply that this measure is an attack on "innocent motorists" when that isn't anywhere near the truth. This is a measure which will apply to all cases in the magistrates courts, not just those involving motorists. It is that bias in implication which makes me suspicious of the petition. Graham
Losos Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 Patricia - 2009-10-21 9:41 AM I have also just signed although I hope I am never in that position but it seems very unjust to me. How low can this government go to raise cash? British justice is being undermined yet again. British justice has been under pressure for some years Patricia, I blame the declining standards in all levels of the law. Even the Attorney General (Who is the very top legal person in this country) now thinks it's OK to disregard the law and not resign even 'tho she wrote the law which she subsequently broke. You'd have thought that someone who was involved in getting a law on the statute book would be able to remember the main clauses wouldn't you????
Syd Posted October 21, 2009 Author Posted October 21, 2009 No doubt you are right Graham but non the less, in my book, the principle behind this stinks The authorities bring a case against a person who is subsequently found innocent but the innocent have to meet the second lot of costs just to limmit the incompetent authorities costs. If the authorities, or anyone else for that matter, cannot bring a waterproof case to court then they either shouldn't be bringing that case to court or they should be responsible for the cost of that case. Surely that is fair
GJH Posted October 21, 2009 Posted October 21, 2009 In general I don't disagree Syd. Trouble is so much legislation is badly drafted by our political leaders these days (irrespective of governing party) that it has opened the door to some lawyers taking advantage to take cases which they know they can win on technicalities and charge high fees which they know will be picked up by the public purse (i.e. all of us). Similar situation to the antics of the Militant Tendency in the 1980s when they drove up things like council house rents in order to obtain more from central government (i.e. all of us) via housing benefit. The answer is for the party in power for the time being to take the bull by the horns and sort out the situation properly - but that is, unfortunately, at odds with the short term lust for power (and its retention) which we have experienced from political parties over the last few decades. Graham
flicka Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Taking the cynical view, this could easily result in more contencious tickets being issued, with the authorities knowing that less people would be prepared to fund a crown court hearing. Whatever happened to inocent until proved guilty" :-|
duffers Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 I think that Graham's [initial] point was that the petition was [deliberately] mis-leading and encouraging a knee jerk reaction of the up and at em variety of demagoguery much loved by the tabloid oiks and gutter press read the small print and be aware of manipulators
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