Guest Tracker Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Tonight's Question Time on BBC1 should be interesting and it's rather a shame that it is pre-recorded earlier today and thus edited and sanitized prior to our viewing it. I don't support Nick Griffin's views but I do support the freedom of speech that our parents and their generation gave so much to give us that allows his opinion to be shared and questioned - if indeed it does get questioned?
colin Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Don't think it's been live for some time if ever. As for other parties wingeing about BNP being on question time, wouldn't it be better for them to see why BNP is gaining support and address the issue?
Guest Tracker Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 colin - 2009-10-22 8:01 PM Don't think it's been live for some time if ever. As for other parties wingeing about BNP being on question time, wouldn't it be better for them to see why BNP is gaining support and address the issue? Colin - what a ridiculous thought - politicians doing what the electorate want - that's preposterous - and too far removed from their own agenda of what they need to do to stay in power to even be viable! Nice thought though!
malc d Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Tracker - 2009-10-22 7:53 PM Tonight's Question Time on BBC1 should be interesting and it's rather a shame that it is pre-recorded earlier today and thus edited and sanitized prior to our viewing it. I don't support Nick Griffin's views but I do support the freedom of speech that our parents and their generation gave so much to give us that allows his opinion to be shared and questioned - if indeed it does get questioned? I don't think it's ever been live. Personally I would like to see it recorded early and then David Dimbleby edited out. His constant interruptions of panel members answers, to put his OWN questions gets on my nerves. (It's a family thing, his brother does it too on the radio 4 Question Time). It will be interesting to see how the other panel members respond to Griffins views. It will all come down to the calibre of the questions. (Hopefully they won't waste too much time discussing the use of Spitfires on posters ). Always seems to me that Griffin is a one man band - do you know the names of anyone else in his party ? Should be interesting.
Syd Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 I have nothing but contempt for many of the views put forward by the BNP but this contempt that I feel for the BNP comes second to the contempt that I hold for the majority of our current MPs of the major parties
Big Momma Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Not that the majority of the British public will be taken in by the BNP, but what they are saying is what the public wants to hear right now. the problem we have is that the Conservatives had until recently got a foot in the front door of No.10 until they announced that when they get in power they will 'Freeze' public sector pay rises but increase taxes and raise the age of retirement. Labour has had it's time and the Lib dems are not a viable alternative. What will happen is that people will just stay at home and not use the vote because there is no alternative. So the next general election will be decided by the stalwarts who will without fail go to the polling stations and use there vote. The question, which party has the most stalwarts ? In my personal opinion that is.
Hopesy Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 duffers - 2009-10-22 11:23 PM go get 'em Bonnie Greer I watched last night, the first time in ages as Dimbleby constantly interupts and puts words into others mouths. After watching i think the only person to come with credit (and lots of it) was a playwrite and curator of the british museum. That says a lot for our politicians. Don't agree with BNP but a lot of time of the prog was spent slating it without any balance, Dimbleby allowed Straw and others to evade and avoid question asked directly. Waste of time really, apart from Griffin proving with his own words, what a fool he is and what fools he thinks we all are.
malc d Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Hopesy - 2009-10-23 10:00 AM duffers - 2009-10-22 11:23 PM go get 'em Bonnie Greer I watched last night, the first time in ages as Dimbleby constantly interupts and puts words into others mouths. After watching i think the only person to come with credit (and lots of it) was a playwrite and curator of the british museum. That says a lot for our politicians. Don't agree with BNP but a lot of time of the prog was spent slating it without any balance, Dimbleby allowed Straw and others to evade and avoid question asked directly. Waste of time really, apart from Griffin proving with his own words, what a fool he is and what fools he thinks we all are. I'd agree with that. Apart from Dimbleby interrupting all the time, it was nothing like the normal 'Question Time' Seemed to me that it was 'get Griffin' night, with a chosen audience. Might have been better broadcast from a town with BNP councillors. I thought that Griffin talked a load of twaddle and at times didn't seem too sure of what he believed in himself. But almost all the questions that were asked ( Dimbleby even allowed the audience to ask a few) were simply aimed at Griffin. Jack Straw, as usual, just waffled on for so long that I couldn't remember what his point was. When someone did ask why the BNP had got so many votes the politicians just went into waffle overtime - about having 'failed to connect'with the public. How long have they been saying that ??? Disappointing programme with no-one ( except Bonnie Greer) coming out very well. But please, if anyone from the BBC is reading this, apply for Dimblebys inevitable knighthood now, and pension him off. :-(
nightrider Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 I wonder if Nick Griffin has ever spoken to any survivors of Hitlers death camps? I have spoken to quite a few. I was born and brought up and still live in a prodominantly Jewish neighbourhood and I have heard at first hand some truly horrific stories from camp survivors, stories that are not for the faint hearted. I dont think Griffin and the BNP will get very far but then again the public is very fickle, it is they who will make or break him.
Porky Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Surely if the peole who run this country do not address the logistical consequencies of an ever increasing population, however it is generated, we will not have the means to support it. This fear from an increasing number of the population is what the BNP will feed on. That's not politics it is just a glaringly obvious fact. My father (and his three brothers) gave up 4 years of their young lives and I know they didn't do it for what we are currently creating. The one thing (demonstrated by the programme) that all politicians do not do is to LISTEN. If the BNP are filling a vacuum it is one created by the establishment.
colin Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Hopesy - 2009-10-23 10:00 AM I watched last night, the first time in ages as Dimbleby constantly interupts and puts words into others mouths. After watching i think the only person to come with credit (and lots of it) was a playwrite and curator of the british museum. That says a lot for our politicians. Don't agree with BNP but a lot of time of the prog was spent slating it without any balance, Dimbleby allowed Straw and others to evade and avoid question asked directly. Waste of time really, apart from Griffin proving with his own words, what a fool he is and what fools he thinks we all are. My sentiments entirely, I often 'dip in and out' of Question Time, last night I was expecting to watch most of program, but no, it was just "lets have a go at BNP" not "lets discuss the issues of the day", I don't need to be reminded how nasty BNP are I would rather see how Nick Griffin would react to 'normal' QT questions.
nightrider Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Of all the immigrants this country has given succour to over the last 100 years or so, be they white black or brown or whatever their religion. None of them have said we are going to take you over and fly our flag from Buckingham palace and institute our laws apart from one particular ethnicity, I won't say who they are so I can't be accused of racism, you will have to figure that one out yourselves. Is it any wonder that the BNP's ranks swell when the public read in the papers or see on the TV statements of that kind made by these particular people.
nightrider Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 I would like to have heard what Griffin thought of all the everyday things such as exorbitant utility bills, rising fuel costs, unemployment etc. Surely the man has got more to say than just racial issues?
midknight Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Hi all Heard 4 to 5 dear old ladies in a charity shop today talking about the interview. The talk seemed to be if there was someone else in charge of the BNP they would get more votes, as some of the things being said by the BNP they agreed with.
Guest Tracker Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 As a piece of unbiased political discussion last night's QT was a travesty of claimed impartiality and one that the BBC should be thoroughly ashamed of having allowed. Everyone present, both panel and audience, were much more interested in scoring their own points than in any form of discussion and I even felt a bit - but not a lot - sorry for Nick Griffin for the shabby way in which he was treated. To see Chris Huhne ranting madly and Jack Straw waffling endlessly was cringeworthy stuff and the only politician who spoke any sense at all in my view was Baroness Sayeeda Warsi who together with Bonnie Greer meant that the two ladies on the panel the only ones to show any real common sense. Perhaps we need more lady politicians? That said he was obviously in a state of shock for most of the show and was quite unable to compete on level terms with the very experienced panelists, as he was shaking badly and either unable to compose himself sufficiently to give coherent replies - or maybe he simply has no defence for his views and previous statements? Either way the BBC may well have succeeded in getting the BNP a lot of sympathy votes from hard line voters fed up with the incompetence and deceit of successive governments instead of the exposure of Mr Griffin's true views that a logical and rant free discussion would have produced. There would have been national outrage if any other politician from a mainstream party had been treated similarly and I do feel that Mr Griffin is entitled to an apology from the BBC. But that's just my view!
nightrider Posted October 24, 2009 Posted October 24, 2009 Griffin was stitched up by the BBC by having a disproportionate audience, practically all the audience was against Griffin but he fought his corner. He had Jack Straw on the ropes when he (Griffin) said that his father was in the RAF during the war and did his duty for king and country but what did Straws father do in the war? He languished in prison because he refused to fight Hitler, which, seeing as Straws father was Jewish I think was shameful, while he was safe and sound in a British prison his fellow Jews were being slaughtered.
malc d Posted October 24, 2009 Posted October 24, 2009 knight of the road - 2009-10-24 2:02 AM Griffin was stitched up by the BBC by having a disproportionate audience, practically all the audience was against Griffin but he fought his corner. He had Jack Straw on the ropes when he (Griffin) said that his father was in the RAF during the war and did his duty for king and country but what did Straws father do in the war? He languished in prison because he refused to fight Hitler, which, seeing as Straws father was Jewish I think was shameful, while he was safe and sound in a British prison his fellow Jews were being slaughtered. He may have surprised everyone with that revelation but I don't see that he had Jack Straw " on the ropes". He wasn't responsible for what his dad did in the war.
nightrider Posted October 24, 2009 Posted October 24, 2009 The revelation certainly surprised me, but Straws waffling was beyond the pail, I was quite taken by Baroness Warsi she certainly was a bright spark.
Losos Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 colin - 2009-10-22 9:01 PM As for other parties wingeing about BNP being on question time, wouldn't it be better for them to see why BNP is gaining support and address the issue? Colin - You are so right in what you say. Let me give an example on the 'sensitive' subject of illegal immigration. For some time now the word has gone around the illigal communities that if you destroy (or 'loose') your passport you can't be sent back to your home country (The assumed logic is that we naive British wouldn't know what country to send you to)So why not change the law?? No other country in Europe has this outdated law and I know that Germany and Czechland can send people back even if they have no identity papers whatsoever.Further more it now seems if you are an acknowledged illigal worker in UK, provided you own a cat you won't be deported either!!! Yes, that was the verdict of one High Court judge recently. So the cat population in UK is set to rise soon as well as the illigals!!!. The Conservative, Labour, and Liberal parties could address these issues and then the BNP wouldn't be a threat to anyone, as it is now I can see them gaining membership, not from me I might add, I don't much like them but (like you) I can see why they might gain in popularity if the other parties just stick their heads in the sand and refuse to recognise reality.
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