CAB Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 An article in the Sunday telegraph this morning raised my interest. VOSA have just (reluctantly) released the failure rates for MoTs on "new" vehicles (Telegraph Freedom of Information request). The BBC News website puts Ford near the top (including the Transit) for failures (26.3%). Couldn't see a Fiat/Peugeot/Citroen Sevel vehicle in the top 20 summary by http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/opensecrets/2010/01/mot_failure_rates_released.html but on the VOSA site http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT_Make_Model_Comp_2007.pdf the 2006 Ducato failure rate is given as 4/17 or 19% (small sample). The figures for the 2006 Ford Transit are 51/293 or 14.8%. The "BBC" figure for the Transit of 26.3% appears to relate to 2004 models (6520/18237). For 2004 the failure rate of the Ducato was 868/2787 = 23.7% Also a breakdown in reasons for failure - but I'll leave that to Forum statisticians to analyse. Lies, damned lies ...? Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Just had a quick look at the VOSA breakdown pdf and it doesn't make much sense. Ford Focus Cmax for example, apparently one vehicle was first used in 1995 which is a surprise bearing in mind the Focus didn't take over from the Escort until around '99 and the Cmax variant was much later. Ford Capri, first used in 1963, two passed one failed their first MOTs 33.3% fail rate. So are we to beleive that only three Ford Capris were sold in the UK in 1963? D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod_vw Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 You are right Dave, as you know I am into early Volkswagen Beetles. Now I am sure there were pre 1954 Beetles on the road and MOTd in 2007 but these figures don't show any??!! How many more errors like that are there in Government figures? Probably just as many as there were in the 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' and in the likely deaths from 'Swine Flu'!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Caterham 7 in 2007 2 were tested, 1 passed 1 failed but two were failed for lighting defects? :-S Only two Caterhams tested in 2007? I don't think so. That data looks about as accurate as me trying to toss a caber! D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Well, if Clive was reading Sunday's paper on a Saturday, the explanation may be that the figures were distorted in the space time continuum between today and tomorrow. Perhaps they will make better sense when read tomorrow! Daily Gruff, indeed!! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Well spotted Brian, teach me to read postings more accurately I suppose. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAB Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 Brian Kirby - 2010-01-16 6:26 PM Well, if Clive was reading Sunday's paper on a Saturday, the explanation may be that the figures were distorted in the space time continuum between today and tomorrow. Perhaps they will make better sense when read tomorrow! Daily Gruff, indeed!! :-) Brian I spotted my error shortly after posting and didn't think it warranted an edit (it looks so untidy don't you think?). Yes, it is Saturday today and it was the Saturday Telegraph, but I thought this was irrelevant as the post was on MoT failures in 2007 and the date was not relevant - in which case you could argue I should have left it out. In my defence I would think the tables will also be in the Sunday papers - so I was just one step ahead! Now, who wants to know the lottery numbers for next weeK? Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 You trying to make me miserable or summut! :-( Out 'van goes in for it's first MOT on Tuesday ... and it's on a Ford Mk 6!!!!! 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAB Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 Just read the articles and VOSA results again. I don't believe this raw data has much meaning without some additional contextual information. In particular an indication of the average mileage for the make/model (shouldn't be too difficult as the mileage is now recorded with the MoT) and an indication of ownership (private, commercial etc) - this might be a little more tricky. I suspect that the Ford Transit Connect comes out some badly because it is likely that very few would be in private ownership. Company owned and hire vehicles are likely to suffer abuse and cover very high mileages? Similarly some of the make/models of cars with poor results may be popular with hire companies and commercial travellers? Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messerschmitt owner Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 davenewell@home - 2010-01-16 2:42 PM Just had a quick look at the VOSA breakdown pdf and it doesn't make much sense. Ford Focus Cmax for example, apparently one vehicle was first used in 1995 which is a surprise bearing in mind the Focus didn't take over from the Escort until around '99 and the Cmax variant was much later. Ford Capri, first used in 1963, two passed one failed their first MOTs 33.3% fail rate. So are we to beleive that only three Ford Capris were sold in the UK in 1963? D. I thought you were old enough to remember that Ford did indeed have a Capri in their model lineup in 1963 - just not the one you're thinking about. No Messerschmitt, RSM, FMR or whatever they were sold as! The figures are off by a long way but you get the gist for more popular vehicles. Still no Allard either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I do know that Ford had a capri model out in 1963, my surprise was that apparently only three of them made it to their first MOT in 1966. :-S D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W3526602 Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Hi Dave, Have you tried to buy a "Classic Capri" recently? Yes they are around, but you wouldn't want to pay the going rate. I've seen a photo of one in a magazine in the early 1960s ...... boot open, somebody sitting in a deck-chair in the boot. Caption - "Classic Pick-up". :-D Now, the standard Classic ........ Ugh! 602 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W3526602 Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Hi, I checked Ebay, using "FORD CAPRI 1964" as keywords, got a picture of a brochure, Ebay item number 310175924703 Forty odd years later, I still find it a pretty car, and want one. I'm surprised only three were MOTd recently. Classic? Ugh! 602 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyishuk Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Lads (and Lasses) You have missed the point completely, The report (LIKE SO MANY OTHERS) (dont mention the war) Is a jobsworth duty to prove that something is being done by governement for the people. Does not matter that the out come is c**p, it provides employment and pensions for many. (Good job its sunny outside or I could go on for ages !) Rgds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Mel B - 2010-01-16 8:22 PM You trying to make me miserable or summut! :-( Out 'van goes in for it's first MOT on Tuesday ... and it's on a Ford Mk 6!!!!! 8-) make sure you drive around a bit (checking firdt no one behind you) with right foot on throttle and left on the brake....it cleans them. but if pitted through lack of use they can still fail I fink. most motorhomes suffer from lack of use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 JudgeMental - 2010-01-17 10:58 AM Mel B - 2010-01-16 8:22 PM You trying to make me miserable or summut! :-( Out 'van goes in for it's first MOT on Tuesday ... and it's on a Ford Mk 6!!!!! 8-) make sure you drive around a bit (checking firdt no one behind you) with right foot on throttle and left on the brake....it cleans them. but if pitted through lack of use they can still fail I fink. most motorhomes suffer from lack of use This is not a bad idea but you'll find that you have to keep releasing the brake pedal as when it is pressed the engine management will cut the throttle electronically. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 We took it out on Thursday afternoon and gave it a blast up to Beverley, stopping for a poddle on the Westwood with the dogs, then into Beverley itself for a bit of 'retail therapy' (in charity shops I hasten to add! :D ). We checked the lights etc and everything works well ... it should sail through (sorry about the pun :$ ). Oh, cost for full base vehicle service and through damp check - £149 inc VAT at the local motorhome dealers. The MOT is being done elsewhere on a special offer of £35.00 according to his leaflet (we saw him at a car boot sale in the summer and he told us he does the MOTs for the motorhome place so we just cut out the middle man - he doesn't do servicing though, just MOTs and repairs). I'll report back after Tuesday. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith T Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 tonyishuk - 2010-01-17 10:35 AM Lads (and Lasses) You have missed the point completely, The report (LIKE SO MANY OTHERS) (dont mention the war) Is a jobsworth duty to prove that something is being done by governement for the people. Does not matter that the out come is c**p, it provides employment and pensions for many. (Good job its sunny outside or I could go on for ages !) Rgds Whoever produced,it certainly gave them emplyoyment for some time, I would think. Just logged on to the VOSA lionk quoted above, more to see if , or where, my car appeared ...but gave up when I saw the PDF format ran to 1200 pages! All no doubt paid for by our hard-earned wages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Collings Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 If memory serves correctly the original Ford Capri was a coupe version of the Ford Consul Classic ( the one with four headlamps and talfins). It was only made for a couple of years then dropped. About 63 the new Cortina based Capri came out with the advertising slogan 'the car youalways promised yourself'. I missed out somewhere. MOTs only cover safety related issues with most faults related to mileage/age so one would expect commercial vehicles to score worst. Never spoil a good story for want of a few facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I can't believe nobody picked up on my gaffe. I misread the info and thought the data was about vehicles passing their first MOT. The reality is that this is about vehicles that pass an MOT at the first attempt, regardless of age. This explains why only three 1963 Ford Capris were submitted for test in 2007. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 We were too polite to mention it Dave, you being of a 'sensitive' nature and all that! (lol) ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Mel B - 2010-01-18 8:52 PM We were too polite to mention it Dave, you being of a 'sensitive' nature and all that! (lol) ;-) Yup, that's me :D , sensitive to me core ;-) . D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Well ... took it in to the MOT centre and left it with the chaps to do whilst we went into Hull for a mooch round for an hour - quite enjoyed ourselves but it weren't half cold. We found some nice old streets we hadn't seen before and had a wander around. Decided that we'll have to go back to Hull another day and look at all the free museums as we haven't been round them for a long, long time. Anyway ... to the point (seeing as Judgemental has already PM'd me to find out what happened ... can't be much excitement for him otherwise at the moment! :D ) ... well ... it FAILED! .... Bah ... humbug ... Couldn't believe it when the chap told us! :-( But ... We were ecstatic when he told us it was the bulb in the fog light that didn't work and once he'd replaced it, all was well again ... how do bulbs know just when to 'expire' to cause problems????? He said the underneath was very clean and nothing untoward to worry about or to keep an eye on, it is all hunky-dorey. :-D Anyway, it passed. :-> £35 for the MOT and £4 for the bulb and fitting, £39 in total (inc VAT). Not bad at all. He normally charges £40 for a MOT but as we'd got a flyer when we saw him at a car boot sale, with a special offer price of £35 we were happy. Some info: - Normal cost is £40 inclusive. - They only do Class 4 MOTs, nothing else - Weight - they can accommodate 4 tonne motorhomes on their lift, but if they can't get them on there they'll do them on the floor with rolling-boards so there's not really much restriction. - Height - not a problem - Width - really wide motorhomes may have a problem (big American jobs) - Length - they only just got ours on to the lift because it is located diagonally once inside the door and, as our van has a large overhang, it's bottom was a bit tight due to the 'side swing', but long ones with a smaller overhang should be okay. Again, they'll just do them on the floor if needs be. If anyone wants the details go to the link below: Just MOTs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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