starvin marvin Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Is Hymer UK part of Brownhills or is it a separate business, independent of Brownhills? many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallii Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Brownhills like to promote themselves as Hymer UK, and as the only Uk Hymer supplier. Not so, there are others who can and will supply a Hymer and can service and do warranty work on it. They are also a lot cheaper on price. I won't mention company names, but a Google search will do the job and you have to phone them and have a chat. They are sourced in Europe and "Hymer UK" might tell you they are "grey imports" "not UK spec." etc. Non of which is accurate. Hallii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starvin marvin Posted September 3, 2010 Author Share Posted September 3, 2010 hallii - 2010-09-03 2:05 PM Brownhills like to promote themselves as Hymer UK, and as the only Uk Hymer supplier. Not so, there are others who can and will supply a Hymer and can service and do warranty work on it. They are also a lot cheaper on price. I won't mention company names, but a Google search will do the job and you have to phone them and have a chat. They are sourced in Europe and "Hymer UK" might tell you they are "grey imports" "not UK spec." etc. Non of which is accurate. Hallii Thanks for the info Hallii, but all I want to know is are Hymer UK and Brownhills the same company or separate entities? I assume from your reply you would say that they are. I want to know (if possible) if they trade as separate companies and have separate limited liabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1ntersun Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 They are the same company, same liabilities same aftersales service. Says it all doesn,t it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 As shown in Companies House 04036439 HYMER (UK) LIMITED Dissolved Name & Registered Office: HYMER (UK) LIMITED 10 NORWICH STREET LONDON EC4A 1BD Company No. 04036439 Status: Dissolved 28/01/2010 Date of Incorporation: 19/07/2000 Others (Dissolved or in Liquidation) 03161022 HYMER CLUB INTERNATIONAL LIMITED C of N 13/10/1999 03654534 BROWNHILLS LIMITED Dissolved 04030340 BROWNHILLS MOTORHOMES (CANNOCK) LIMITED in Liquidation 06540730 BROWNHILLS MOTORHOMES LIMITED C of N 30/04/2008 03631676 BROWNHILLS LIMITED C of N 22/02/1991 02770598 BROWNHILLS HOLDINGS LIMITED C of N 26/02/1999 06540730 BROWNHILLS MOTORHOMES LIMITED C of N 30/04/2008 Current regisytered Companies 02999408 BROWNHILLS MOTORHOMES LIMITED A1-A46 JUNCTION LINCOLN ROAD NEWARK NOTTINGHAMSHIRE NG24 2EA Company No. 02999408 Status: Active Date of Incorporation: 08/12/1994 Country of Origin: United Kingdom Company Type: Private Limited Company Nature of Business (SIC(03)): 5010 - Sale of motor vehicles Accounting Reference Date: 31/12 Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/12/2008 (FULL) Next Accounts Due: 30/09/2010 Last Return Made Up To: 01/02/2010 Next Return Due: 01/03/2011 Last Members List: 01/02/2010 Previous Names: Date of change Previous Name 24/03/1995 NWS 105 LIMITED 30/04/2008 ANY ROAD LIMITED 28/04/2008 DAEWOO DIRECT FINANCE LIMITED 00760320 BROWNHILLS MOTORHOMES (NEWARK) LIMITED C/O KROLL LIMITED THE OBSERVATORY CHAPEL WALKS MANCHESTER M2 1HL Company No. 00760320 Status: Active Date of Incorporation: 08/05/1963 Country of Origin: United Kingdom Company Type: Private Limited Company Nature of Business (SIC(03)): 5010 - Sale of motor vehicles But can not search Directors unless paying for services http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/cf05e688bc9677c904a356e7520d7b5b/wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo Looking on the Hymer UK website it is adorned with Brownhills details http://www.hymeruk.com/ e.g. Extracted from Hymer website New Monthly Newsletter To keep our Club Brownhills' members better informed Brownhills has launched this new online bulletin, this newsletter has already been emailed to our email subscribers. From now on this newsletter will be sent out every month, it will include information of our offers, a calendar of upcoming events and links to important news stories. For future issues we welcome your input on what other features you would like to see included. If you are not already on our mailing list you can join it on our website at www.brownhills.co.uk/newsletter/. So to answer the question - Yes it is PROBABLE that they are one & the same company Sorry I can't clarify further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starvin marvin Posted September 3, 2010 Author Share Posted September 3, 2010 Wow, Flicka thats impressive, and many thanks. The info is similar to what I'd found out. I think its interesting to see how companies change and then reform. Brownhills at Newark, although called Brownhills whatever Ltd, trade as Brownhills Leisure World Newark. It obviously depends who you have a contract with, and whether or not the liabilities of a previous company has transferred to the new incarnation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1ntersun Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 We get e-mails from Brownhills Newark asking us to contack Hymer Uk for service to which I have declined after bad service fron them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhorsf Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 its not so interesting if they owe you money or goods when they "reform" to get rid of the debts they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 I would like to know the alternative source of Hymers in the UK please as interested in a Car 322 but really dont want to call brownills :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Hi Eddie Hymer's own website no longer lists Hymer UK, which would further question the status of any new Hymer vehicles purchased from Hymer UK, Preston. http://www.hymer.com/cms/en/service1/dealers/Suche.html?country=GB&city=L1&radius=200 It only shows Brownhills (Newark & Newcastle) for Motorhomes. Interestingly it does not list Brownhills as a "Service centre" However it does list Lowdhams (Nottingham, NG14 7ES & Huddersfield, HD4 5NU) for their Caravans. Lowdhams were also UK dealers for Eriba (a Hymer brand) so it may be worth a phone call to them ? http://www.lowdhams.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bounty hunter Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Judge Cranham's website says they are south's foremost Hymer Dealer. http://www.cranhammotorhomes.co.uk/sitemap/HYMER.htm John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 But can Cranham supply new Hymers ? They do not list Hymer under their "dealerships" "Our motorhome line up includes new motorhomes from Swift, Autotrail and Autocruise who are all UK based. Continental brands are represented by the prestigious Frankia, Burstner ranges." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bounty hunter Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Can only quote their website. "HYMER HYMER from Cranhams. Cranham is an independent, customer orientated, family-run business who offer a friendly and professional service in the buying and selling of new and used caravans and motor homes. We are established as the South’s foremost dealer in HYMER and accessories, having hundreds of new and used models in stock." John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyExsis Posted September 5, 2010 Share Posted September 5, 2010 Brilliant info regarding company house records! Would you trust a company that reforms every few years. It was one of the lines used on me. I bought a new Hymer from Brownhills and sufferred all the bad sevice that they are famous for, but I have never publicised it til now. It is such a shame that the industry has such a bad after sales reputation. Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted September 5, 2010 Share Posted September 5, 2010 Just spare a thought for all those poor soddes that bought a new ducato based Swift from Brownstuff - what a dire combination - crap vans, crap build quality and crap dealer - a triple whammy - perhaps we should start a counselling service for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 5, 2010 Share Posted September 5, 2010 Cranhams are an odd lot and most unfriendly with me anyway lol......until recently they where a Euramobil dealers but seem to have lost that *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordThornber Posted September 5, 2010 Share Posted September 5, 2010 It's not answering the OP's question but here goes.. The Preston branch is only 20 mins away and we've visited 3 times. Our first visit we were completely ignored, and I mean ignored, not even a Hello by staff on duty. Second visit, and an England football match was on and showing in the showroom, very nice touch except the only folk watching was the salespersons. They never took their eyes off the match. Third visit, surprise surprise, we didn't bother going in and just viewed a van we were interested in. It's preparation was garbage. It smelled dreadfully of both dogs and cigarettes, and yes it had been valeted, not "awaiting preparation" as they say. Or rather it needed another go at it. Martyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted September 5, 2010 Share Posted September 5, 2010 Hymer UK (previously Madisons) are showing as motorhome dealers in Hymer's site: http://www.hymer.com/cms/en/service1/dealers/Suche.html&country=GB I've been using Hymer UK for the last 10 years and have only experienced problems with them this year. They have been badly affected by the shenanigans at Brownhills (the dealership in Preston is known as Hymer UK or Brownhils North West) and the recession/sterling value. There have been all sorts of stories on the various motorhome websites about the relationship between Hymer AG (the German company), Hymer UK and Brownhills. I doubt anyone outside the senior management hierarchy knows what is going on but there are plenty of others willing to speculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HymerVan Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 The key to understanding the progress of company changes of name is to concentrate on the NUMBER of the company. That way you can track the company through any changes. Often a company will "swap" names with another so it looks like the same company but isn't !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertandjean Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Tracker - 2010-09-05 2:52 PM Just spare a thought for all those poor soddes that bought a new ducato based Swift from Brownstuff - what a dire combination - crap vans, crap build quality and crap dealer - a triple whammy - perhaps we should start a counselling service for them! We purchased a new Swift Escape on Fiat 5 speed from Brownhills in May 2009, so guess we fit your description exactly. Except that it runs really well, no sign of the "juddergate problem" on reversing up hills, Swift build quality fine, and excellent back-up from Brownhills afterservice. So Tracker when you decide to update your van give Swift, on a Fiat, from Brownhills a go and look forward to an enjoyable vanning experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffers Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 LordThornber - 2010-09-05 4:01 PM It's not answering the OP's question but here goes.. The Preston branch is only 20 mins away and we've visited 3 times. Our first visit we were completely ignored, and I mean ignored, not even a Hello by staff on duty. Second visit, and an England football match was on and showing in the showroom, very nice touch except the only folk watching was the salespersons. They never took their eyes off the match. Third visit, surprise surprise, we didn't bother going in and just viewed a van we were interested in. It's preparation was garbage. It smelled dreadfully of both dogs and cigarettes, and yes it had been valeted, not "awaiting preparation" as they say. Or rather it needed another go at it. Martyn sounds very similar to the old Madisons set-up then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Whats wrong with a dealer leaving you alone to look around? (far better than a pushy salesman as far as I am concerned. I would rather find the salesman when I am ready) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 being ignored is not the same thing as being left alone *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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