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lennyhb Grand Master

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I have an Autowatch, very pleased with it. Easy to disarm the internal sensors or the complete system via the mini numeric keypad.

 

A friend as a Coba it is a pain in the a**e to disarm via single button which requires the code to be entered with multiple pushes.

 

 

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lennyhb - 2010-09-22 9:04 AM

 

I have an Autowatch, very pleased with it. Easy to disarm the internal sensors or the complete system via the mini numeric keypad.

 

 

I'm interested in the Autowatch 695 RLC which can plug into the CANbus system on the Fiat X250. This seems ideal for a PVC I'm about to buy where the vehicles own "door sensing" wiring can be utilised rather than running new wiring and installing sensors on doors. The other plus is that the vehicles own key fob can operate the alarm and a separate alarm key fob is not required. Is your alarm the CANbus variety?

 

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Graham, what PVC are you getting? as I am after one as well...I would think most modern vans are Canbus? I would like to arm alarm when sleeping so essential that internal sensors can easily be turned off...

 

Autowatch 695 RLC seems to be a Cat 2 alarm? most insurers reguire a Cat 1

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grahamw - 2010-09-22 10:33 AM

 

lennyhb - 2010-09-22 9:04 AM

 

I have an Autowatch, very pleased with it. Easy to disarm the internal sensors or the complete system via the mini numeric keypad.

 

 

I'm interested in the Autowatch 695 RLC which can plug into the CANbus system on the Fiat X250. This seems ideal for a PVC I'm about to buy where the vehicles own "door sensing" wiring can be utilised rather than running new wiring and installing sensors on doors. The other plus is that the vehicles own key fob can operate the alarm and a separate alarm key fob is not required. Is your alarm the CANbus variety?

 

Graham

 

Mine is the 375 Clam which was the one recommended for Motorhomes, yes it wires into the CAN Buss and operates via standard Fiat key fob.

 

 

 

 

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lennyhb - 2010-09-22 11:22 AM

 

grahamw - 2010-09-22 10:33 AM

 

lennyhb - 2010-09-22 9:04 AM

 

I have an Autowatch, very pleased with it. Easy to disarm the internal sensors or the complete system via the mini numeric keypad.

 

 

I'm interested in the Autowatch 695 RLC which can plug into the CANbus system on the Fiat X250. This seems ideal for a PVC I'm about to buy where the vehicles own "door sensing" wiring can be utilised rather than running new wiring and installing sensors on doors. The other plus is that the vehicles own key fob can operate the alarm and a separate alarm key fob is not required. Is your alarm the CANbus variety?

 

Graham

 

Mine is the 375 Clam which was the one recommended for Motorhomes, yes it wires into the CAN Buss and operates via standard Fiat key fob.

 

 

 

 

Hi guys, anyone have a link to suppliers/fitters? we are looking at having a system fitted.

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

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JudgeMental - 2010-09-22 10:55 AM

 

Graham, what PVC are you getting? as I am after one as well...I would think most modern vans are Canbus? I would like to arm alarm when sleeping so essential that internal sensors can easily be turned off...

 

Autowatch 695 RLC seems to be a Cat 2 alarm? most insurers reguire a Cat 1

 

I have on order a Vantage Sol PVC probably due sometime late November or early December. I understand that the Autowatch 695 RLC is a Thatcham category 2 to 1 upgrade alarm and can only be fitted to vans with a category 2 Thatcham immobiliser if the insurers are to be kept happy. A Thatcham category 1 alarm installs an immobiliser as well as an alarm which is not usually required as just about all UK specification vehicles now have a Thatcham category 2 immobiliser as standard. Like you I would want to use it whilst the van is occupied. Another CANbus alarm that caught my eye is the Cobra 8808 and I would welcome opinions if anyone has experience of these.

 

Graham

 

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To clarify a detail, Thatcham category 1 covers alarms, category 2 covers immobilisers. All modern motor vehicles have a cat 2 immobiliser built in which is far more secure than ANY after market immobiliser can ever be because it is part of the engine management whereas after market systems simply disrupt a couple of circuits (fuel pump and "ignition" usually) and are relatively simple to bypass.

 

Si if you buy a modern vehicle it will already have a Cat 2 immobiliser on board, fitting a Cat 1 alarm will thereofre "upgrade" the vehicle to Cat 1 henvce the term Cat 2-1 upgrade.

 

On most modern vehicles with CAN-BUS systems it is better to use an alarm system that can interface with the CAN-BUS as fitting other sensing wires to items like existing door switches can upset the vehicles built in systems.

 

I fit Laserline Cat 1 systems, for a Ducato/Boxer/relay on the new X2/50 platform I would fit a Laserline 670T which is a Cat 2-1 upgrade with CAN-BUS interface.

 

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Bazza454 - 2010-09-26 9:30 PM
Captain mikey - 2010-09-21 8:23 PM Its me again. I am considering fitting a genuine Thatcham approved alarm system - any ideas please. Mike and Joy

Just go for the best available -

http://www.vanbitz.com/category/Motorhome_Security,l.html

Whatever you decide, don't have a Cobra fitted, they're for cars not 'vans.

I agree vanbitz are the only firm I would recommend
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flicka Grand Master

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I agree with previous posts regarding the Cobra. It's c**p.

Wish I had stated a MAKE when ordering the Motorhome, but unfortunately we only stated that we required a Thatcham Cat 1 Alarm to be fitted.

Many false alarms, to ours & our neighbours annoyance,as it usually triggers early hours of the morning.

My conclusion is that the motion sensors are too sensitive. I we fit the Cab Door screens it appears to eliminate any external motion triggering the sensors. (?)

So for us £500+ down the drain, as we will be replacing the Cobra Alarm for a better & more user friendly system.

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lennyhb - 2010-09-27 4:38 PM

 

Crikey Flicker that was expensive, our Autowatch was £255 including extra £30 for a sensor on the locker door and it's behaved perfectly.

 

 

My Gemini 7590 Cat 1 with PIR and locker/garage sensor was £295 fitted at my house by a mobile commercial van fitter. In 3.5 years it has never missed a beat or false alarmed. These alarmist motorhome specialists are well overpriced, and fit the same kit :-S

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lennyhb - 2010-09-27 4:38 PM

 

Crikey Flicker that was expensive, our Autowatch was £255 including extra £30 for a sensor on the locker door and it's behaved perfectly.

 

 

Not toooooooooo bad Lenny.

If you take your £255 + 3 x £30 for Garage doors / Toilet compartment door magnetic contacts + £55 for the Autowatch PIR = £444 then add a profit for the Dealer (trying to re-coup some of the huge discount I got on the Van) :D :D

 

Prices (not fitted) on here:- http://www.vanarack.com/store/alarms/

look reasonable for the Autowatch alarms.

“The Autowatch 375 clam Cat 2 - 1 Van Alarm for Light Commercial Vehicles with existing factory remote central locking. TUL3 157/1108”

 

“Provides an upgrade device for factory fit remote central locking systems to protect your valuables by adding volumetric ultrasonic interior security.”

 

Does anyone know if it is simply a question of swopping the Control Units or a complete new installation .

i.e. Can I use the existing magnetic door contact , PIR & Internal Motion sensors ?

Or is fitting it an Autoelectrician job (?)

I'm a bit worried about interfering with the CANbus system.

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Mel B Grand Master

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We have had a Laserline fitted by RAM Mobile Electronics at their Hull workshop, it cost £299 fitted with the usual stuff, plus 2 x lockers and an interior PIR detector.

 

They've got workshops at Hull and Wakefield.

 

http://www.rammobile.com/

 

Forgot to say, isolating the interior is very easy: first you press the left button to set the alarm which also activates the door locks, then once it's flashed twice, it's a case of pressing the right button which isolates the interior sensors so the dogs don't set them off when we leave them inside.

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lennyhb Grand Master

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flicka - 2010-09-27 8:45 PM

 

lennyhb - 2010-09-27 4:38 PM

 

Crikey Flicker that was expensive, our Autowatch was £255 including extra £30 for a sensor on the locker door and it's behaved perfectly.

 

 

Not toooooooooo bad Lenny.

If you take your £255 + 3 x £30 for Garage doors / Toilet compartment door magnetic contacts + £55 for the Autowatch PIR = £444 then add a profit for the Dealer (trying to re-coup some of the huge discount I got on the Van) :D :D

 

Prices (not fitted) on here:- http://www.vanarack.com/store/alarms/

look reasonable for the Autowatch alarms.

“The Autowatch 375 clam Cat 2 - 1 Van Alarm for Light Commercial Vehicles with existing factory remote central locking. TUL3 157/1108”

 

“Provides an upgrade device for factory fit remote central locking systems to protect your valuables by adding volumetric ultrasonic interior security.”

 

Does anyone know if it is simply a question of swopping the Control Units or a complete new installation .

i.e. Can I use the existing magnetic door contact , PIR & Internal Motion sensors ?

Or is fitting it an Autoelectrician job (?)

I'm a bit worried about interfering with the CANbus system.

 

Hi Flicka,

 

Fairly certain switches & sensors are pretty much the same whatever alarm you use & would have thought you could just swap the control unit. I would have thought the connections to the CANBUS would be the same for any unit, Dave should be able to help on that.

 

If it's any help I have the wiring info for the 375. The guy fitting mine made one small change he wired the visual indication into the side light circuit as on the X250 the indicators flash with the central locking, doesn't make a lot of odds as the alarm squeaks at you when set it anyway.

 

 

 

 

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