Porky Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 For or against? I think a society should be judged on the way it treats the elderly and educates its young. I rest my case. >:-)>:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randonneur Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 According to four 6th Form Students this morning on TV, they think it is their right to go to University and not have to pay anything back. Some of these so-called degrees are useless and should be abolished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 As I see it :D People with degrees are sort after mainly by big business, who in the past used to fund their staff to gain their degree, some how they have managed to shift this cost the tax payer 8-) Education should be limited to the basic 3 R's, "reading writing and arithmetic" (how that got labled as the 3 R's is beyond me (lol) ). I think once the education system gets that right perhaps they can think about widening the curriculum :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 pelmetman - 2010-10-12 12:51 PM As I see it :D People with degrees are sort after mainly by big business, who in the past used to fund their staff to gain their degree, some how they have managed to shift this cost the tax payer 8-) Education should be limited to the basic 3 R's, "reading writing and arithmetic" (how that got labled as the 3 R's is beyond me (lol) ). I think once the education system gets that right perhaps they can think about widening the curriculum :D The three ' R 's are : Reading - Riting - Rithmetic. These days spelling is not considered important. innit ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 pelmetman - 2010-10-12 12:51 PM As I see it :D People with degrees are sort after mainly by big business, who in the past used to fund their staff to gain their degree, some how they have managed to shift this cost the tax payer 8-) Education should be limited to the basic 3 R's, "reading writing and arithmetic" (how that got labled as the 3 R's is beyond me (lol) ). I think once the education system gets that right perhaps they can think about widening the curriculum :D sorrie - dubble post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 My daughter started at the LSE a few weeks ago and feels very privileged that she got in. Her fellow students: 70% are rich foreign students, and most others from privileged backgrounds as well.....Its rubbing of on her already with her diction improving:D My son should be going next year that will probably be a more difficult scenario :-S So is this the end of the working class expectations, I think it probably is, but that does not mean that everyone should go to Uni just for the sake of it! We will see this afternoon what a sham this government is with liberal democrats probably disgracing themselves furter...dont know how they face themselves in the morning...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Porky - 2010-10-12 12:36 PM For or against? I think a society should be judged on the way it treats the elderly and educates its young. I rest my case. >:-)>:-) When you say 'society' in this context Roy I presume you mean those who pick up the bill? In this case I am one of the those that pick up the bill for education and as I am also 'elderly' I wonder who will help me if I need it whilst I am busy helping the younger generation? I think I already know the answer to that one - when I need help there will be no money - there already is no money for elderly care and it ain't gonna get better in the near future methinks? That said we should educate the brightest young people well and why not start giving frants and loans according to the country's needs? For example if we need engineers, scientists, doctors, etc whu not subsidise those courses for the brightest? If we don't need quite so many sociologists, media studies, and many other mickey mouse degrees why on earth are we still subsidising these courses as I for one do object to paying for idiots to live an expensive life away from their parental home when much of the further education could be carried out in their home towns? But that of course is elitism and would never do in today's PC world. But then again what is wrong with incentivising to obtain what the country needs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza454 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 pelmetman - 2010-10-12 12:51 PM Education should be limited to the basic 3 R's, "reading writing and arithmetic" Yup, that would ensure that UK PLC had an even more illiterate workforce. Not sure how that would help us become more competitive in world markets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 over the past few years its so easy to get into University that degree's are not the valiable tool as people make out now. Also the fact there are so many Micky Mouse degree's its obserd. If there was to be a raise i feel bad for the students who are smart but can;t get it due to costs which is a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Bazza454 - 2010-10-12 2:43 PMpelmetman - 2010-10-12 12:51 PM Education should be limited to the basic 3 R's, "reading writing and arithmetic" Yup, that would ensure that UK PLC had an even more illiterate workforce. Not sure how that would help us become more competitive in world markets...Funny? :D ...................I would of thought if they concentrated on the 3 R's that would make them more literate :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Maybe they should 'grade' university courses, such as: essential, useful, and pointless. For example: Essential - doctors - engineers - scientists etc Useful - architects - accountants - lawyers etc Pointless - brand consultants - golf course management - and anything to do with PR ......... and then decide which ones the taxpayer should pay for. Maybe even let the taxpayers decide which ones they are prepared to pay for. Power to the people ! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 malc d - 2010-10-12 4:39 PM Maybe even let the taxpayers decide which ones they are prepared to pay for. Power to the people ! ;-) Isn't that what they are doing? The fact that they will all have to be "part paid for" in some small way through a loan might mean the less "useful" ones are less supported. After all the original thought that a good degree raised the possibilty of a good and secure income is now long gone. We can't turn the clock back but we could move back towards how it used to be, technical colleges and universities. That is a simple and effective way of making a distinction, but of course it smacks of elitism and a two tier system and would be very non PC. Come the day of the glorious revolution and the Common Sense Party come to power it will of course be different. In the meantime the books have to be balanced and we must remove this millstone of debt which is dragging us down.*-)*-)*-) Roy Fuller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandyAndy Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 My daughter did all the stages in all the right order ie GCSE, A Level , University with no gap year. From the age of 12 she wanted to be a Child psychologist so that's where she headed, got the degree in psychology but then had another 4 years to do before becoming qualified. She just couldn't afford to stay on any longer as her debts just built up to over £10,000 that it just scared her the thought of what they would be at the end. She worked part time all through 6 form and then at Tesco's all through Uni to try and keep her head above water. She left with her degree and ended up on Tesco's management course *-) She now works in London for a huge facilities company and is based in the BBC , on good money, paying a mortgage and still at 30 paying off her student load. (at yes a reduced rate) They are not all free loaders and some do try but some courses and text books and greedy landlords just drain the cash faster than they can earn it. Have to admit there are some hilarious made up courses now and I do wonder what the person does with themselves when they have finished working through all the courses they can think of to do. Mandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 malc d - 2010-10-12 1:20 PM pelmetman - 2010-10-12 12:51 PM As I see it :D People with degrees are sort after mainly by big business, who in the past used to fund their staff to gain their degree, some how they have managed to shift this cost the tax payer 8-) Education should be limited to the basic 3 R's, "reading writing and arithmetic" (how that got labled as the 3 R's is beyond me (lol) ). I think once the education system gets that right perhaps they can think about widening the curriculum :D The three ' R 's are : Reading - Riting - Rithmetic. These days spelling is not considered important. innit ;-) They have now forgotten those 3, as the spellchecker tells them it Wrong >:-) >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 malc d - 2010-10-12 4:39 PM Maybe they should 'grade' university courses, such as: essential, useful, and pointless. For example: Essential - doctors - engineers - scientists etc Useful - architects - accountants - lawyers etc Pointless - brand consultants - golf course management - and anything to do with PR ......... and then decide which ones the taxpayer should pay for. Maybe even let the taxpayers decide which ones they are prepared to pay for. Power to the people ! ;-) Hi Malc It would never get off the ground, cos everyone would put any of the politican studies in the useless section & our lords & masters in Westminster would never accept that >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky Posted October 13, 2010 Author Share Posted October 13, 2010 Mandy&Andy - 2010-10-12 9:26 PM Have to admit there are some hilarious made up courses now and I do wonder what the person does with themselves when they have finished working through all the courses they can think of to do. Mandy They probably find out they have wasted their time and money. The university system needs a massive shake up and, if as most sensible people think, we need to improve our manufacturing and engineering capability that has to begin with SPECIALISED further education. Companies say they can not afford to employ trainees or apprentices, so if the further educational system does not then it is obvious we will not improve our situation. Educating our young people to the highest standard is an essential investment in the future. My wife is a nurse her training was hands on in the wards over many years. Now they are graduates with practically no front line experience. We really have lost our way*-)*-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Being someone who works at a University I can see both sides. We have some students who just go to do nothing all day and have a good time, at the taxpayers' expense. There are others who slog their guts out, holding down jobs, looking after families, just to try to get a qualification to make their, and their families' lives, better. We started to reduce the courses offered a good few years ago and now are very highly regarded for many of the courses we offer such as: Engineering, Law, Social Work, Nursing, Computer Science, Chemistry (they invented the LCD display at our place :-D ), Politics, Business Studies, Languages etc. We have a very good spread of courses and have very few 'flim-flam' ones. A lot of people take the p&ss out of our city, but it comes very highly rated in terms of friendliness and being a pleasant place to actually be at University and the cost of living is cheap compared to a lot of other places. Ours is not one of the expensive Universities to study at, and it is unlikely to be so, but it is one from which you can get a very good well regarded degree. Let the other universities put up their fees, that means more students will come our way and find out what a good place it is! :-> Oh, the nursing students at our place DO get a lot of hands on training as well as doing their course work and are highly sought after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Mel B - 2010-10-13 6:42 PM Being someone who works at a University I can see both sides. We have some students who just go to do nothing all day and have a good time, at the taxpayers' expense. There are others who slog their guts out, holding down jobs, looking after families, just to try to get a qualification to make their, and their families' lives, better. We started to reduce the courses offered a good few years ago and now are very highly regarded for many of the courses we offer such as: Engineering, Law, Social Work, Nursing, Computer Science, Chemistry (they invented the LCD display at our place :-D ), Politics, Business Studies, Languages etc. We have a very good spread of courses and have very few 'flim-flam' ones. A lot of people take the p&ss out of our city, but it comes very highly rated in terms of friendliness and being a pleasant place to actually be at University and the cost of living is cheap compared to a lot of other places. Ours is not one of the expensive Universities to study at, and it is unlikely to be so, but it is one from which you can get a very good well regarded degree. Let the other universities put up their fees, that means more students will come our way and find out what a good place it is! :-> Oh, the nursing students at our place DO get a lot of hands on training as well as doing their course work and are highly sought after. Wot no courses on pelmet making 8-) .........................how will the world survive (lol) (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlowie Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Porky - 2010-10-12 12:36 PM For or against? I think a society should be judged on the way it treats the elderly and educates its young. I rest my case. >:-)>:-) Hey Porky, you posted twice after resting your case *-) *-) *-) Are you going to let the team think we're a load of carrot-crunchers down in the SW (?) Going out to my sheep now. There's a lovely little blonde I would like to get to know a bit better... :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 oldlowie - 2010-10-13 7:49 PM Going out to my sheep now. There's a lovely little blonde I would like to get to know a bit better... :D :D :D Dont forget your wellies :D (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandyAndy Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Your city is a wonderful place Mel, with lots of happy memories. Did the pre-nursing course there when I was 17 and lived in the nurses residence at Hull Royal. Not at the Uni but at the college still had a great time. Met my husband of 24 years there he was a Radio officer for Marrs (long gone) . Daughter has some high spec job interview tomorrow with Tesco so just told her to ask for her wages in vouchers, just think how many times we could get to France and back (lol) (lol) she wasn't that impressed as apparently no mortgage lenders will let her pay with them. *-) Mandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 oldlowie - 2010-10-13 7:49 PM Porky - 2010-10-12 12:36 PM For or against? I think a society should be judged on the way it treats the elderly and educates its young. I rest my case. >:-)>:-) Hey Porky, you posted twice after resting your case *-) *-) *-) Are you going to let the team think we're a load of carrot-crunchers down in the SW (?) Going out to my sheep now. There's a lovely little blonde I would like to get to know a bit better... :D :D :D Ok I changed my mind*-) Here's a thing to make my blood boil. I have just discovered that if you live in Scotland you do not have to pay tuition fees etc. AND prescription charges have been reduced from £4 to £3 and from APRIL 2011 they will be FREE. Does this mean that our taxes are making this possible because as far as I know they do not raise their own revenue through a separate tax system??????>:-)>:-)>:-) Roy Fuller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 daughter has just hit me with request for £250 worth of books :-S And that is just for this years course work *-) on top of £120 a week for digs and living/clubbing:D expenses :-| No 1 son insistent that he wants a gap year next year (like his sister) But I saw on TV a debate showing the difference between starting Uni in 2011 and delaying until 2012? the cost is going to sky rocket! :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 JudgeMental - 2010-10-14 12:26 PM daughter has just hit me with request for £250 worth of books :-S And that is just for this years course work *-) on top of £120 a week for digs and living/clubbing:D expenses :-| No 1 son insistent that he wants a gap year next year (like his sister) But I saw on TV a debate showing the difference between starting Uni in 2011 and delaying until 2012? the cost is going to sky rocket! :-S No wonder your selling everthing 8-) 8-) .........................If it were me I'd sell the kids and keep the camper (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 we are doing as much as possible for them, and if the house downsize goes according to plan, this should ensure they leave Uni with just enough debt to keep them focused, if you get what I mean *-) I feel really sorry for young people, this is a very harsh world they are venturing out into :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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