art338 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 ... organised at a particular date and time because of the sad state of the economy. When things get serious there has to be a diversion !! Adolf Hitler did it but he was a poor organiser and overtaken by greed. The Olympics are one diversion, and with the VAT increase next year life will be more hazardous. This wedding is therefore "the icing on the cake" for the economy, the populace has to be motivated to forget the difficult times ahead. Wars as we know them are no more, there has to be other diversions. This country has now set a precedent for world manufacturing to blossom accompanied by a fairy tale myth of wonderment for the non thinking person. Members of Royalty have to do their duty and abide by the rules of the "Establishment", this an example of William being told what he has to do, as his father was, regarding his marriage to Diane. Hope you liked that. art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I take it that the royal family are paying for it? or is it to be paid for by Joe Public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enodreven Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Is there any difference knight of the road - 2010-11-17 9:20 AM I take it that the royal family are paying for it? or is it to be paid for by Joe Public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Little does the poor girl know what she is letting herself in for....... marrying into that bunch of scary inbreds*-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I suppose that the long suffering public will have to pay for this little jolly as no doubt we will have to pay for Harry's future wedding. An over privileged family with no idea what real life is all about, an out dated institution in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 knight of the road - 2010-11-17 1:23 PM I suppose that the long suffering public will have to pay for this little jolly as no doubt we will have to pay for Harry's future wedding. An over privileged family with no idea what real life is all about, an out dated institution in my mind. If you would rather have a president, who would you choose ? :-( :-( :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Give me the Royal Family any day of the week and I for one are pleased for the young couple and hope they live a long and happy life together. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Dont know who I would choose as a president but he would have to be whiter than white and with no skeletons in the cupboard. And certainly none of this gay partnership bull****, someone perhaps who is a self made man who knows what life is all about on the bottom rung of the ladder. At least with a president you are not stuck with him for life and if he doesn't come up with the goods you can get rid of him, plus a president would not cost as much to the public purse as royalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Jones Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Like any other country, we've basically got two choices. We keep the hereditary monarchy, with a purely symbolic (and yes, sometimes morale-boosting) role, or we go for a republic and elect our Head of State (who we'd then have to give some real power to). And I'm told that most Presidents are more expensive to run than our monarchy - not counting the cost of actually electing them! Most of those who've posted on this thread so far are clearly of the Republican persuasion, as (in a free country) they've every right to be. Some days (especially when I consider the "middle" generation), I can even see their point! However, the fact is there's very lilttle popular appetite for a Republic in this country at present, so hereditary monarchy it is. That being the case, (a) you take who the hereditary principle throws at you - even if it's tree-huggin', plant-talkin', wife-deceivin', modern-architecture-hatin' Charles (so there's no point in opinion polls about whether he should or shouldn't be King, or whether his lawful wife should or shouldn't be Queen - which bit of "hereditary" don't these people understand?). AND (b) the marriage of someone in direct line of succession is a national event (leading as it does to the next generation of monarchy) and the nation just has to grit its teeth and pay up. Having said all that, it promises to be a good morale-booster, and a damn sight cheaper than the Olympics or the World Cup. Someone on BBC Essex this morning said it would contribute to "the Good Feel Factor" :D Well, with two healthy red-blooded young people ..... ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 When the Queen dies off let that be the end of royalty, the rest of the royals can then live off their un-earned millions and then disappear into the wide blue yonder, the public have been told that the national debt is to be paid off through them, how much is royalty contributing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 knight of the road - 2010-11-17 2:11 PM Dont know who I would choose as a president but he would have to be whiter than white and with no skeletons in the cupboard. And certainly none of this gay partnership bull****, someone perhaps who is a self made man who knows what life is all about on the bottom rung of the ladder. At least with a president you are not stuck with him for life and if he doesn't come up with the goods you can get rid of him, plus a president would not cost as much to the public purse as royalty. So you think we could find someone who is " whiter than white" and has " no skeletons in the cupboard " who is replaced every 3 or 4 years by someone else who is " whiter than white" and has "no skeletons in the cupboard" ??? Where are you going to find them ? What planet are you on mate ???? (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffers Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Brenda is ok - wouldn't throw her out and Phil the Greek is always good for a laugh but - after she dies - we need to enter the 21st century our government system is need of a drastic overhaul - 'Royal Prerogative' is what allowed TBliar to declare war to the greater glory of TB and GWB we can't overhaul the political system while we have present system of monarchy choice isn't what we have or republic - other European countries have much more civilised monarchy - ie no bowing and forelock tugging as someone has already said - presidents only have a short shelf life - you can vote them out I wonder how many of the monarchists would be as enthusiastic if the nazi had continued to reign as EdVIII - certainly not had the appeal of his niece US of A has many good aspects of government Balance between their '2 houses' limits presidential power no one can serve more than two terms as President - pity that's not in force here - TBliar take note I'm a card carrying republican atheist - based on my personal experience of how the institutions are run Back OT - I'm already sick of hearing about this wedding but it is a very useful and efficient smokescreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffers Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 PS Zaphod Beeblebrox for Pres :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggyd Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Well I wish Kate and William all the Best for the future, thank God he is more like his Mother than his Father. I am not a Royalist but was intrigued at the affection that the German lady that was beside us on an Aire in Truechligen sp she loves our Queen and called her "my Queen" when she was talking about her!! she said that when she went to London she said to a guard " I have come to London to visit" MY Queen and is she at home" of course he couldnt tell her. :-D I don,t think we need a president :-S the royals do bring a lot of tourism into London and at least with the Royal family we do have something !! what would we have without them !! I know! Lots more MONEY. ;-) but the Government would only give it away to the Terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 malc d - 2010-11-17 3:07 PM knight of the road - 2010-11-17 2:11 PM Dont know who I would choose as a president but he would have to be whiter than white and with no skeletons in the cupboard. And certainly none of this gay partnership bull****, someone perhaps who is a self made man who knows what life is all about on the bottom rung of the ladder. At least with a president you are not stuck with him for life and if he doesn't come up with the goods you can get rid of him, plus a president would not cost as much to the public purse as royalty. I dont move in the circles that would be presidents live in, but dont tell me that we do not have any straight up honest candidates? What about skeletons in the royal family's cupboards? what happened in the case of that ex soldier in the employ of the royal family who made it known of a senior royals homosexual shennanigans with a male servant? rather convenient that he was found dead wasn't it? How about Alan Sugar for president? he would have soon told G W Bush to get on his bike wouldn't he. So you think we could find someone who is " whiter than white" and has " no skeletons in the cupboard " who is replaced every 3 or 4 years by someone else who is " whiter than white" and has "no skeletons in the cupboard" ??? Where are you going to find them ? What planet are you on mate ???? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 knight of the road - 2010-11-17 5:00 PM malc d - 2010-11-17 3:07 PM knight of the road - 2010-11-17 2:11 PM Dont know who I would choose as a president but he would have to be whiter than white and with no skeletons in the cupboard. And certainly none of this gay partnership bull****, someone perhaps who is a self made man who knows what life is all about on the bottom rung of the ladder. At least with a president you are not stuck with him for life and if he doesn't come up with the goods you can get rid of him, plus a president would not cost as much to the public purse as royalty. I dont move in the circles that would be presidents live in, but dont tell me that we do not have any straight up honest candidates? What about skeletons in the royal family's cupboards? what happened in the case of that ex soldier in the employ of the royal family who made it known of a senior royals homosexual shennanigans with a male servant? rather convenient that he was found dead wasn't it? How about Alan Sugar for president? he would have soon told G W Bush to get on his bike wouldn't he. So you think we could find someone who is " whiter than white" and has " no skeletons in the cupboard " who is replaced every 3 or 4 years by someone else who is " whiter than white" and has "no skeletons in the cupboard" ??? Where are you going to find them ? What planet are you on mate ???? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) See my reply up above, it fell in the wrong place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffers Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 been out celebrating the engagement then Malcolm :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art338 Posted November 17, 2010 Author Share Posted November 17, 2010 Dictatorial people and those of a similar sect are OK from a distance. I've worked among similar minded folk who were red as red and they are NOT so brotherly as you would think. The leaders are what they are and have a cause to follow, but their subordinates are totally opposite, similar to the Nazis, the worst members were people like Himler and Reinhard Heydrich, hangers on seeking glory They have one aim only, themselves. Those that think it would be wonderful not to have Royality as a base are completely misguided, yes it would be different, but the individual would be far worse off in every way. Take pride in what you have, you can at least complain about it and not be locked up. art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffers Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 you been out celebrating as well Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffers Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 can't joke about it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I imagine the only people interested in the wedding would be women gawping at the wedding dress coming out with their ooohs and aaaarhs. If we had no royal family I doubt that we would be any worse off and as for royalty attracting tourists from abroad how many of our own people ever see royalty, its not as if you can bump into Liz and Phil down the local boozer is it. What exactly do the royal family do to earn their corn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 knight of the road - 2010-11-17 5:02 PM knight of the road - 2010-11-17 5:00 PM malc d - 2010-11-17 3:07 PM knight of the road - 2010-11-17 2:11 PM Dont know who I would choose as a president but he would have to be whiter than white and with no skeletons in the cupboard. And certainly none of this gay partnership bull****, someone perhaps who is a self made man who knows what life is all about on the bottom rung of the ladder. At least with a president you are not stuck with him for life and if he doesn't come up with the goods you can get rid of him, plus a president would not cost as much to the public purse as royalty. I dont move in the circles that would be presidents live in, but dont tell me that we do not have any straight up honest candidates? What about skeletons in the royal family's cupboards? what happened in the case of that ex soldier in the employ of the royal family who made it known of a senior royals homosexual shennanigans with a male servant? rather convenient that he was found dead wasn't it? How about Alan Sugar for president? he would have soon told G W Bush to get on his bike wouldn't he. So you think we could find someone who is " whiter than white" and has " no skeletons in the cupboard " who is replaced every 3 or 4 years by someone else who is " whiter than white" and has "no skeletons in the cupboard" ??? Where are you going to find them ? What planet are you on mate ???? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) See my reply up above, it fell in the wrong place? The flaw in your solution is that you want someone who is " straight up and honest " No doubt there are some people like that around, but would they want to go into politics ? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 art338 - 2010-11-17 5:16 PM Dictatorial people and those of a similar sect are OK from a distance. I've worked among similar minded folk who were red as red and they are NOT so brotherly as you would think. The leaders are what they are and have a cause to follow, but their subordinates are totally opposite, similar to the Nazis, the worst members were people like Himler and Reinhard Heydrich, hangers on seeking glory They have one aim only, themselves. Those that think it would be wonderful not to have Royality as a base are completely misguided, yes it would be different, but the individual would be far worse off in every way. Take pride in what you have, you can at least complain about it and not be locked up. art Why should I or anyone else take a pride in something that costs the tax payer millions per year, I would sooner the money being spent on things more worthy such as hospitals and who are the dictatorial people and those of a similar sect you are referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 malc d - 2010-11-17 5:45 PM knight of the road - 2010-11-17 5:02 PM knight of the road - 2010-11-17 5:00 PM malc d - 2010-11-17 3:07 PM knight of the road - 2010-11-17 2:11 PM Dont know who I would choose as a president but he would have to be whiter than white and with no skeletons in the cupboard. And certainly none of this gay partnership bull****, someone perhaps who is a self made man who knows what life is all about on the bottom rung of the ladder. At least with a president you are not stuck with him for life and if he doesn't come up with the goods you can get rid of him, plus a president would not cost as much to the public purse as royalty. I dont move in the circles that would be presidents live in, but dont tell me that we do not have any straight up honest candidates? What about skeletons in the royal family's cupboards? what happened in the case of that ex soldier in the employ of the royal family who made it known of a senior royals homosexual shennanigans with a male servant? rather convenient that he was found dead wasn't it? How about Alan Sugar for president? he would have soon told G W Bush to get on his bike wouldn't he. So you think we could find someone who is " whiter than white" and has " no skeletons in the cupboard " who is replaced every 3 or 4 years by someone else who is " whiter than white" and has "no skeletons in the cupboard" ??? Where are you going to find them ? What planet are you on mate ???? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) See my reply up above, it fell in the wrong place? The flaw in your solution is that you want someone who is " straight up and honest " No doubt there are some people like that around, but would they want to go into politics ? ;-) I cant believe that we do not have many right thinking individuals that would go into politics and do a good job of it. But there would have to be drastic changes to the present system, over a period of time all the shyster politians who have had their mits in the pot should be riddled out and got rid of, all new recruits should be warned that to get involved in any hanky-panky sexual or financially it is one strike and you are out, any low or high ranking German officers pre war or during the war ended up with a bullet in the back of the head or strung up on a meat hook, perhaps we should do that to some of our home grown fiddlers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 duffers - 2010-11-17 5:04 PM been out celebrating the engagement then Malcolm :D :D I dont think so, the only ones who will be celebrating are the pretenders, the ones that hang on to royalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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