Guest pelmetman Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Yes. I pushed the wrong frigging button again, so I posted the title before the content >:-( Now I've forgotten what I was going to tripe (yes I said tripe instead of type (lol) ) But I am watching BBC again, not good for my blood pressure :D From oikes to the heights of ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I don't think anyone on here is revolting. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 malc d - 2011-01-26 9:19 PM I don't think anyone on here is revolting. ;-) Blimey Malc, I thought I had done an edit in time (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 30 mins later and its getting cold here with my molotov coctail *-) .........I'm off to bed :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 What a depressing thought , that all future politicians will come from the old Etonian crowd. What a bunch of t*ssers. If they all disapeared, would we miss them. How many old Etonians will become engineers, which this country badly needs, or scientists. I think not. The quicker I can vacate this country the better. Austria here we come asap. >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 peter - 2011-01-26 10:35 PM What a depressing thought , that all future politicians will come from the old Etonian crowd. What a bunch of t*ssers. If they all disapeared, would we miss them. How many old Etonians will become engineers, which this country badly needs, or scientists. I think not. The quicker I can vacate this country the better. Austria here we come asap. >:-) As I see it the problem is not the school they went to but the fact that none of them has ever had a proper job. They study politics, then spend years running errands around Westminster until an old school friend higher up in the gravy train gives them a 'safe seat' in parliament. Where is their connection with the real world ? :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Whatever the "connection" is - its strength, or the lack of it, is demonstrated to my mind, by:- a) the comments Brown made in his car "off mike" about the lady who had a valid issue re immigration b) the fact that Cameron saw fit to employ an ex Editor from the News of the World - a paper deep in the mire of phone tapping - as one of his aids. c) the "off mike" comments by Vince Cable stating that he was "at war" with - funnily enough :-S (lol) - the owner of the News of the World. Don't get me wrong tho! - I actually think the Coalition is getting more things right than wrong. The issue I have is that the average MP seems to be a bit of a plonker. I thought Nigel Havers comments about Lembik Opkit or whatever his name is, on "I'm a celebrity - get me out of here" summed it up very well. There is also a recent report that states that Political Party leaders have difficulty getting competent people from their own party for ministerial/shadow posts! and that we in the UK should consider the USA system whereby a Party Leader can place anyone - not a party member - into government positions. I think this would be a good idea. Then we may well get the injection of reality into government that we so desperately need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 CliveH - 2011-01-27 9:36 AM There is also a recent report that states that Political Party leaders have difficulty getting competent people from their own party for ministerial/shadow posts! and that we in the UK should consider the USA system whereby a Party Leader can place anyone - not a party member - into government positions. I think this would be a good idea. Then we may well get the injection of reality into government that we so desperately need. Great idea Clive - but I am inclined to the belief that although politicians may think they run the country in reality it is the civil service and no matter what politicians may want to do to cahnge the 'way it's always been done' the big fat turkeys and their powerful union friends running the civil service are never going to vote willingly for Christmas in the form of their own demise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 malc d - 2011-01-26 9:19 PM I don't think anyone on here is revolting. ;-) Au contraire Malc - there are one or two on here that can be quite revolting - but we don't see much of 'em fortunately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Tracker - 2011-01-27 10:28 AM Great idea Clive - but I am inclined to the belief that although politicians may think they run the country in reality it is the civil service and no matter what politicians may want to do to cahnge the 'way it's always been done' the big fat turkeys and their powerful union friends running the civil service are never going to vote willingly for Christmas in the form of their own demise? My thoughts exactly :-D We have for years been run by the Mandarins, who I suspect in the main come from Oxbridge, who are well known for looking after their old fags *-) I wonder if some people still believe we live in a democracy.........in my opinnion we just get to vote for our dictators >:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 peter - 2011-01-26 10:35 PM The quicker I can vacate this country the better. Austria here we come asap. >:-) Really......are you sure you can 'cut it' with the neo-nazis? And no i'm not joking either. They are not a nice bunch of people. I had you marked out as more left leaning rather than extreme right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Bulletguy - 2011-01-27 12:49 PM peter - 2011-01-26 10:35 PM The quicker I can vacate this country the better. Austria here we come asap. >:-) Really......are you sure you can 'cut it' with the neo-nazis? And no i'm not joking either. They are not a nice bunch of people. I had you marked out as more left leaning rather than extreme right! I think Peter is somewhere between the two ... usually horizontal! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 BG, I've been going to Austria for the past 20yrs and have never come across any Neo Nazi's yet, but I have received a great welcome there and have made some v/good friends there also. So I have either been fortunate or I've been going around with my eyes shut. Then again we go for the scenery and the walking.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 pelmetman - 2011-01-26 9:16 PM Yes. I pushed the wrong frigging button again, so I posted the title before the content >:-( Now I've forgotten what I was going to tripe (yes I said tripe instead of type (lol) ) But I am watching BBC again, not good for my blood pressure :D From oikes to the heights of ???? I'm up for a revolution Dave, I'm about 100miles right behind you. Put the kettle on :DDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 nowtelse2do - 2011-01-27 5:58 PM I'm up for a revolution Dave, I'm about 100miles right behind you. Put the kettle on :DDaveYour not French or Italian are you (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Ah well, it'll all be cured if we just bring back grammar schools, innit? I thought he was doing quite well 'till he got to that bit. Then he seemed to go all misty eyed, and lose his own plot.To me, we seems to have been dogged by "strong" governments of the left or right for years, with each in turn cancelling the others policies as they came to power, at huge cost in wasted cash, lost progress, and stunted national development. Meanwhile, all those silly Europeans have gently caught us up, and in a number of cases overtaken us, while we mumbled on about the disadvantages of their "weak" governments.Once Tories were patrician, and worried that the lower orders might oust them unless kept fairly happy. Countering this, the lower orders had their unions, so some got promoted through the ranks to become MPs, and even ministers. Thus did Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum run the UK.What was missing then, and IMO is still missing, is sufficient representation of the non public school and non council estate, middle ground, who have some actual experience of getting things done and of the consequences of not getting your ducks in a row before starting a course of action. For the "toffs" getting things done is merely a matter, so to speak, of telling the servants to fix it, and for the "lower orders" it is of merely a matter of being told to do it. Coining an analogy from my own experience, it is as though there was no-one between the client and the bricklayer.Should we have Oxbridge graduates involved? You bet we should! However, not as a matter of privilege, and definitely not if all they have done is a PPE, or law, worked only as parliamentary research assistants, and then been selected by their mates for a safe seat and a ministerial post. We do need clever people in government, just so long as they are genuinely clever, and not hot-housed mediocrity getting in through wealth and influence. Some are clever, but lack the desirable experience, and the rest seem to be out of the mediocre mould. More Reece-Moggs anyone? :-D Austria? No, too baroque for me. Germany or France, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Although I love tradition, I think the past 30yrs or more as moved so fast that it's been hard to keep up with the changing times and attitudes of our different Government's, and society in general. It would be great if we could cherry pick all the good polices from other governments from around the world, and to integrate with our own system after it had been cleaned up from these stupid laws that we are now saddled with, that are crippling all corners of our daily lives. I don't see nothing wrong in having a proportional representative government and I think nothing will change until that time come's. Surely the majority should win.'Viva the Revolution' Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Bulletguy - 2011-01-27 12:49 PM peter - 2011-01-26 10:35 PM The quicker I can vacate this country the better. Austria here we come asap. >:-) Really......are you sure you can 'cut it' with the neo-nazis? And no i'm not joking either. They are not a nice bunch of people. I had you marked out as more left leaning rather than extreme right! What the f*ck do you know about the Austrians you bigotted asshole. For your information my wife is Austrian and a more friendly and polite people I would be hard pressed to find. When and for how long were you last there?. I frequent the country at every opportunity and will be going again early February. Sure there are right wingers and bearing in mind they are at the front line of all the imigrants from the eastern block making their way here and thieving and scrounging there way across Europe. You seem to forget that we also have our own home bred loonies in the form of Nick Griffith of the BNP. So don't accuse the Austrians of being Neo Nazis as by so doing you are merely amplifying you own prejudice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 As usual a spot-on analysis, Brian.Will it happen, I fear it will not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Well said Brian - as usual as for Austria I know we shouldn't generalise but it is the one country that I've visited several times and thought beautiful country - cannot warm to the people I'm sure that there are many lovely Austrians - but never met one :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Do you speak any German Twooks? if not, that's your problem. The Austrians are not well known for speaking English, especially in the countryside. So if you cannot comunicate with them, you will not know if they are friendly or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 peter - 2011-01-27 9:04 PM What the f*ck do you know about the Austrians you bigotted asshole. I will treat that remark with the contempt it deserves Peter. peter - 2011-01-27 9:04 PM You seem to forget that we also have our own home bred loonies in the form of Nick Griffith of the BNP. Nick Griffith? Never heard of him, but the BNP are mere pussycats by comparison to the FPO. peter - 2011-01-27 9:04 PM So don't accuse the Austrians of being Neo Nazis as by so doing you are merely amplifying you own prejudice. If you read my post you would see that nowhere did I "accuse Austrians of being neo-nazis" (your quote). To clarify, I used the term 'they' in reference to neo-nazis. Not anywhere in my post did I ever refer to Austrian people as an entirety being neo-nazi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 peter - 2011-01-27 10:04 PM Do you speak any German Twooks? if not, that's your problem. The Austrians are not well known for speaking English, especially in the countryside. So if you cannot comunicate with them, you will not know if they are friendly or not. I can't speak any other language than English (and that's only fluently) and the Kings language (expert), but always make an effort to say, good morning and thank you. I have been going around Europe on & off for --yrs and never had a problem, but have had some good laughs trying to explain what I want and any local directions that I needed.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 peter - 2011-01-27 10:04 PM Do you speak any German Twooks? if not, that's your problem. The Austrians are not well known for speaking English, especially in the countryside. So if you cannot comunicate with them, you will not know if they are friendly or not. I picked up quite a bit while in Germany many many years ago tho actually it was more Schwabische than German with absolutely no idea of Grammar - and have unfortunately forgotten most of it through insufficient use on one trip we were travelling with friends from Munich but in my experience a nice big smile generally goes a long way especially with the odd Grüß Gott thrown in :D :D did notice - often in Switzerland - that a gruff and apparently unfriendly manner was often contradicted by kindly actions - just goes to show that there's nowt so queer as folk vive la difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Fortunatly I learn't the trick of how to speak foreign in the navy :D Just speak slowly and loudly..... and repeat... and repeat... and repeat...and repeat.................and eventually they give in (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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