postnote Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I’m fed up with both this and past government’s inability to tackle on of the root cause of the decline of this country, the ease of Benefits and other hand outs. It seems easier for the governments to tax the ones that work and want to work when they need more money for their budgets. Look towards the drain on our country, the ones that live off benefits and don’t want to work. Why should I keep on supporting these people who have no intention of working or looking for work? I have heard that one scam for girls who couldn’t be bothered with their education, is to get pregnant. They can then live happily off benefits and child allowance and they can always top this up by having more babies. For the ones that waste our taxes on drugs and drink, then random drink and drugs tests when they sign on. If found to have either in their blood, they will then lose their benefits, for example, for 3 months and tested again before they can claim again. I know some of you do gooders will say that is unfair if they lose their benefits what will they do; maybe try working for a change. I think it is unfair that I work to improve my life and then I’m penalised by having to pay higher taxes to support those who have no intention of ever working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
602 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Hi, Everybody (well almost) who works also pays National Insurance. And their boss pays it too. So almost everything that you buy, that originated in the UK, includes a contribution towards that NI. This does not go towards paying your medical fees, pension, etc. It goes straight into the Treasury coffers. OK, it does entitle you to those benefits, but some people get the same benefits without contributing. Ahem! The goods that you buy, that are produced in Third World countries are not contributing to anybody's NI, so they can be sold cheaper in UK than home produced goods. And UK produced goods sold in other countries include an element to pay for the NI contributions.Therefore, the NI system is a tax on UK jobs. If NI contributions were abolished, and VAT increased to compensate, imported goods would be taxed at the same rate as home produced goods. Er ..... i think ....... :-S 602 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Before any of what you propose could be implemented, the humane rights shambles would have to be sorted out. I think I'm inclined to go along with most of your suggestions but cant see any of it happening unfortunately. From what I have gathered, if the male partner can obtain incapacity benefits and they have six children, then they can have a good standard of living on benefits. Nice work if you can get it. 8o| Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 postnote - 2011-08-05 1:42 PM I think it is unfair that I work to improve my life and then I’m penalised by having to pay higher taxes to support those who have no intention of ever working. Been there, got the "T" shirt:D.................which is why I don't bother anymore;-).......and this year I am just about tax neutral:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Walter Shultz the landlord of the hotel that I used to stay in when working in Germany always used to say "no work no eats" a good incentive to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlowie Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Just had a funny moment there 8-) Thought I was in Germany in 1936... :$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 oldlowie - 2011-08-06 9:59 PM Just had a funny moment there 8-) Thought I was in Germany in 1936... :$ The time that I lived and worked in Germany was without doubt the best time of my life, only came back to the UK to finalise my divorce, been back about a dozen times on holiday tho. If I were fortunate enough to win the lottery I would relocate there like a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aultymer Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Bet you are sorry the Germans are more tolerant now (allegedly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 aultymer - 2011-08-06 10:52 PM Bet you are sorry the Germans are more tolerant now (allegedly). Whatever went on 80 years ago is, as far as I am concerned history, I can only speak as I found and the Germans treated me well, especially when they knew that I was paying their taxes and church tax and made the effort to learn the language. I am still in touch with Hilda the hotel cleaning lady after all these years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 knight of the road - 2011-08-06 11:02 PM aultymer - 2011-08-06 10:52 PM Bet you are sorry the Germans are more tolerant now (allegedly). I am still in touch with Hilda the hotel cleaning lady after all these years. Don't think we want to know this Malc :-D Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 nowtelse2do - 2011-08-06 11:12 PM knight of the road - 2011-08-06 11:02 PM aultymer - 2011-08-06 10:52 PM Bet you are sorry the Germans are more tolerant now (allegedly). I am still in touch with Hilda the hotel cleaning lady after all these years. Don't think we want to know this Malc :-D Dave Dave, Purely innocent I assure you, suffice to say that she also worked on the bar and slipped me the occasional pint when Walter was out at the local brothel on a saturday morning ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryowlgirl Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 incentive to work---- Decent wages and good working conditions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syd Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 A major incentive to work would be to simply return the family allowance to what it was first introduced for and that is for just the second child only. That would cut a hell of a lot of spoungers income by half and make them keep their peckers in their underwear on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I understand what you are getting at Syd but can't agree entirely. My mother separated from (for the want of a better word) father.......oh yes, that bast**d that she married when I was 4 months old, and divorced when I was 4yr old. She had to leave her home because there was nothing else left of it after he smashed it all up (even my cot and pram) She never received any maintenance of him, the courts weren't interested in finding him. Child allowance would have been a god send to her if it was paid for the first child. When I was 15yrs old he came out of the woodwork with a wife and 2 children and wanted to make things up with me, I didn't speak a word to hm, just smacked him right on the nose and walked away. How my mother survived to 84 I'll never know. She was plagued with ulcers, had 2 nervous breakdowns, fought tooth and nail with the authorities who wanted to put me in care after her 2nd breakdown. So Syd there are people who still need help through no fault of their own. This isn't a rant, it's just an example to show that not everyone is on the take and shouldn't be tarred with the same brush, but the people who are on the take should be weeded out and made to work. I have just seen your new thread, and oh how I wished I could have had some love, care and attention that you give to your family as a father. I made sure that my 3 children and granddaughter got and gets everything I can give. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 No body is against the genuine hardship case like yours was Dave:D.............Its the breeding for benefits culture that New Labour started, that gets up every ones nose*-)..........I suspect we all know people who have worked the system to their benefit. The difficult bit is how do you make sure only the genuine people get it:-S........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 nowtelse2do - 2011-08-07 2:59 PM I understand what you are getting at Syd but can't agree entirely. My mother separated from (for the want of a better word) father.......oh yes, that bast**d that she married when I was 4 months old, and divorced when I was 4yr old. She had to leave her home because there was nothing else left of it after he smashed it all up (even my cot and pram) She never received any maintenance of him, the courts weren't interested in finding him. Child allowance would have been a god send to her if it was paid for the first child. When I was 15yrs old he came out of the woodwork with a wife and 2 children and wanted to make things up with me, I didn't speak a word to hm, just smacked him right on the nose and walked away. How my mother survived to 84 I'll never know. She was plagued with ulcers, had 2 nervous breakdowns, fought tooth and nail with the authorities who wanted to put me in care after her 2nd breakdown. So Syd there are people who still need help through no fault of their own. This isn't a rant, it's just an example to show that not everyone is on the take and shouldn't be tarred with the same brush, but the people who are on the take should be weeded out and made to work. I have just seen your new thread, and oh how I wished I could have had some love, care and attention that you give to your family as a father. I made sure that my 3 children and granddaughter got and gets everything I can give. Dave Well said Dave, straight from the heart, top post.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 It's very hard to do Dave, and I feel for the genuine cases but when you see and hear of some of the handout's given to some of the dubious organizations that are around (there's plenty of them) I think what a waste, that money could be spent trying to weed out the cretins that suck the blood out of this country and its people. JOIN THE REVOLUTION. That's what I say :-D Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 nowtelse2do - 2011-08-07 3:37 PM JOIN THE REVOLUTION. That's what I say :-D Dave I have they're called the AA:D...................Not Alcoholic Anonymous.......Yet:D..................I have started my own branch of the............................Armchair Anarchists(lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 People on benefits cannot be blamed for taking what is offered, it is the last labour government that is at fault for developing a benefits culture no doubt to ensure their votes. If the government offered a tax paying man a tax reduction he would take it wouldn't he? I would say we are being screwed to the floor by the tax system in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerhound Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 The young generation and others whether on benefits or not are sick of the proffesional thiefs ie the politicians and banks to name a few, lawyers are up there also, they are all milking the system, I certainly would not blame or point a finger at anyone on benefits, each individual will have their own circumstances and will not be living the high life on benefits, I dont know what benefits are but in my village I dont see any well off unemployed, after all what jobs are there for them to get? :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syd Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 It shouldn't be too difficult to put into place a safety net for cases such as Dave's mother. I said right from the start of this "Banking" crisis that the banks should have been let go to the wall and that is a view that I still hold. There would quickly have emerged another banking community to take their place but we could have laid down a much stricter criterior for them by then. That would most probably have cost the country less in the long run. They are "technically" bankrupt but still being allowed to carry on robbing us and the country blind and calling all of the shots. How much per family has it cost this country so far to bail them out, well had they given that sum to every family they would have spent most of it almost immediately and hey presto we would have had expansion and fuller employment too Just the views of an idiot so excuse me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hymerwoman Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Hi all, I have to agree that the benifits culture is ruining our beloved country. I have spent today running a table with my friend at a car boot sale. We were selling off items from her late parents home, good quality items that were really too good for a car boot sale.These items her parents had worked a lifetime for. One gentleman of african appearance told us we were having a laugh,selling an item for 5 pounds which initially cost over 50 pounds. When i spoke to him he told me that he was here in our country on benefits and had no intention of getting a job,likewise i had the same conversation with many other foreign nationals who said that they also were here to stay on benefits and had no intention of working. So they are here to take everything that they can without contributing a single penny into our system. IMO it is unfair for the working class people to have to pay taxes for these scroungers while they enjoy what our country gives them for free. We could not do it in their country. I blame Blair and Stray for this, we have enough of our own scroungers without having people from abroad loading themselves onto us. We cannot substain what is happening and if our politicians do not act soon i'm afraid that things could turn nasty. We need to close our doors and come out of europe. Today was frightening,where is our future going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postnote Posted August 7, 2011 Author Share Posted August 7, 2011 maryowlgirl - 2011-08-07 8:40 AM incentive to work---- Decent wages and good working conditions But some of the second or even third generation of benefit scroungers have never done a day’s legal work. We moan about the immigrants that come into our country, but at least the majority want to work at ANY price. But why should I pay higher taxes for those that have no intention of working. Yes ‘Decent wages and good working conditions’ but as you and I know there are people out there who just don’t want to work as benefits are so good when you know how to milk the system. And after 65 years of milking the system they are entitled to a pension... For contributing what NOTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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