donna miller Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 I would welcome your thoughts on the following................ There was nothing much doing today so the OH and myself went for a visit to the National Botanical Gardens Wales. Anyway, Hubby decides to go to the loo while we are walking round and came back with this; A bloke walks into the gents with a 10 year old girl in tow (his daughter, obviously), apparently it was she who needed the toilet and wouldn't go into the ladies on her own. He had to stand and wait for a cubicle to become vacant, but 'madam' would not stand still and decided she wanted to run around while they waited. "we all tried our best to be discreet" says Hubby "but this little bleeder was determined to get a look at everyone and everything". One of the guys then remonstrated with the father about bringing a girl that age into a gents toilet, " What can I do the father said, I'm on my own with her", it transpired that earlier that morning he went into the ladies with her and walked into a cubicle, when he came out a woman started screaming blue murder at him for being in a ladies toilet, threatening to call staff, saying she felt threatened etc.etc. Now in my mind, surely it's better for a father to walk into the ladies with a young girl, and into a closed stall, than to stand in a gents with her while half a dozen guys are peeing at a urinal. What would you say?
antony1969 Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Into the men's , into a cubicle and control your daughter don't let the little sod run round and make everybody else pee down there leg rushing to get out
malc d Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Ideally, at 10 years of age, she should go into the ladies. (She should be persuaded by stopping her fags until she does ) IF she has to go into the gents, her father should keep her under control ( a headlock sounds about right in this case). :-(
Lord Braykewynde Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 He should have put a bag over her head or alternatively if he took her to the ladies put a bag over his own head 8-)
Keithl Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Totally agree with you on this Donna! But at 10 years or so old surely she should be capable of going to the loo on her own, even if her father had to wait outside the door to the ladies. This is actually my one moan when on campsites and fellas insist on bringing young girls into the Gents. If a fella where to 'drop his pants' in-front of the daughter in public then the father would be up in arms, so why subject the girl to seeing fellas standing at the urinal minding their own business? Keith.
MandyAndy Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 At 10 with father stood outside the ladies she should have been made to go on her own. At that age they know what they are doing and looking at., sounds like it was fathers weekend to have her and she was having a great time. My daughter is 11 and not a chance I would let her in a gents too, she would frighten them to death :-D :-D "stand and pee yourself or go in and use the ladies" would have been my approach. Mandy
Lord Braykewynde Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 I cannot get my head around this. What responsible father would even think of taking their 10 year old into mens toilets. There is no good reason and she should be made to use the ladies. With the father waiting outside he would then show he was a responsible parent. I certainly wouldn't give in to her demands and like the poster above said, I'd let her piddle herself first before giving in.
Hopesy Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 What about using the disabled facilities they're usually one cubicle?
donna miller Posted August 30, 2011 Author Posted August 30, 2011 Hopesy - 2011-08-30 10:08 AM What about using the disabled facilities they're usually one cubicle? That would have been my solution, but I held off from saying it for obvious reasons. I can understand that some children may have Issues, but unfortunately,i'm sure we all know that some just stamp their feet and get what they want. We must both now prepare ourself Hopesy, for the attack for us suggesting using disabled facilities. However, in this instance there is nothing to answer to, disabled toilets are merely adapted for disabled use, they are not for the exclusive use by the disabled, and if anyone says "why should a disabled person have to wait while an abled bodied person uses the toilet" I shall scream, if the toilet is in use, then they wait, they don't complain when a wheelchair or other OBVIOUSLY disabled person comes out, so what's the difference.
Hopesy Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Well, i was fully prepared for the comments i may recieve but, who is to say this girl didn't have issues, they don't have to be physical and don't have to be obvious as you say. Also on lots of sites i've been on the wardens tell you to use the disabled facilities if the others are being cleaned. Seems sensible to me. National trust and perhaps the national botanical gardens normally have very clean toilets but generally a gents is the last place i'd take my 10 year old daughter and i've had two. Ten year old should be able to use a loo on their own so perhaps it wasn't the full story. Being a dad i'd have found another solution. I see swimming pools and the like have guidelines on changing room doors about ages for girls changing with their dads. I only seems sensible to me. Rog
net-traveller Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 The answer to that, if the child is really unable to go alone, is to do what I and a few other women did at the M27 Rownham services. The ladies was out of commission and we were told to go the petrol station, a little distance away in inclement weather, so I grabbed a duty manager and said we'll use the gents. Please check there is no man is there and then guard the door for us. We were only a couple of minutes and all was well. He wasn't keen but faced with us lot did the decent thing. There is also the problem of campsite showers. I have, on many occasions, found mothers bringing their sons in and having showered them push them out into the main Ladies area to wait while they have their own shower. I personally find it uncomfortable to exit a shower cubicle to find boys running around unattended particularly when the cubicles are on the small side and in order to keep your trousers dry you put them on outside the cubicle. Some people find nothing wrong with this so perhaps I'm just too sensitive.
Lord Braykewynde Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 net-traveller - 2011-08-30 1:06 PM There is also the problem of campsite showers. I have, on many occasions, found mothers bringing their sons in and having showered them push them out into the main Ladies area to wait while they have their own shower. I personally find it uncomfortable to exit a shower cubicle to find boys running around unattended particularly when the cubicles are on the small side and in order to keep your trousers dry you put them on outside the cubicle. Some people find nothing wrong with this so perhaps I'm just too sensitive. No, you're not being too sensitive. It is your right. Her Ladyship wouldn't take any of our sons into the ladies showers or toilets when they were young no more than I would take our daughter into the mens to see them pointing Percy at the porcelain :$ Considering what some parents allow their kids to watch on TV today wouldn't surprise me that they thought there was nothing wrong with it.
maryowlgirl Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 some Mother & baby have tgoilets in but surely at 10 she should have gone in herself whilst dad stood outside and waited for her. no way would I have taken her into the gents - could he have possibly asked a lady to take her in whilst he waited?
Retread24800 Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 This thread would not even appear on a French forum, provided that the blokes at the urinals were doing their business with the usual discretion witnessed in the UK there should be no problem. but I do agree at 10 the precocious brat is old enough to go on her own.
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