Gypsy Eviction

[antony1969]

10 years and millions of pounds and misery for the locals later it seems the end is nigh for the illegal Gypsy site near Basildon . Made me wonder how sympathetic the council , government etc would have been if a group of us had set up camp illegally in our motorhomes . Probably towed off within the week . Wouldn't care about out our working / middle class feelings unlike the poor persecuted gypsy community .

[nightrider]

If you were to build a tree house in your garden a council jobsworth would be around to tell you to take it down as you have not got planning permission for it.

Its time these people were made to abide by the rules and regs that we have to, particularly when they sneak onto a site during a bank holiday with their wagons full of hardcore.

[Lord Braykewynde]

The left wing hand wringing bleeding heart wets like Vanessa Redgrave are already saying it's illegal to evict them. Says she who knows more than the judiciary *-) I must admit that I'm surprised at the judgement. Again I'm surprised that the European Commission of Human Rights haven't stuck their noses in. Perhaps that's the next step for the tinkers. If so don't expect any eviction from their deliberations

What they've done is no different to squatters breaking into your house and being unable to evict them. There is no doubt that if anyone of the indigenous population had set up camp on green belt land without planning permission they would have been evicted within weeks and gone to prison if they continued their unlawful business.

It's bad enough that British taxpayers have to fund legal camps for the Irish travellers without them blighting the countryside wherever they go and making the locals lives miserable.

I will admit that the indigenous Romany population are a different proposition and having worked next to one of their sites we had no problems with them. Unfortunately one evening the Irish tinkers arrived and drove them off the site through intimidation and then our lives were made hell until the tinkers were evicted three years later.

[Retread24800]

I always feel that some one needs to play devils advocate.

There is a serious under provisionment of authorised sites for travellers a quick google on the subject will show that 80% of travelling families are semi permanently settled on authorised sites. Statutory targets for the provision of sufficient sites is woefully behind schedule, targets set in 2006 have not been achieved and are unlikely to be so. A quick check on my old counties web site gives a fuller picture but in the meantime dont let your nimbyism get in the way of a good rant. 

[antony1969]

The Redgraves have always championed the causes I dislike . I wonder how Vanessa would feel if the site was at the back of what I would imagine would be her very expensive home . Stick to the acting luvvie something else which in my opinion she does badly .

[nightrider]

The Irish traveller types are nothing but trouble wherever they pitch up, we have a travellers camp a couple of miles from here and they are forever up and down our avenue in their tranny pickups looking for scrap metal or wanting to prune your tree's and get quite stroppy when you say no.

I came home one afternoon to find 2 of the cheeky b******* in my garden, thankfully I have 24 hour CCTV which picks up the registration number of any vehicle that comes anywhere near my driveway.

[nightrider]

The thing is a lot of these Irish travellers/tinkers have fixed abodes over in the bog where they over winter and hit the road to England in the spring to make their money.

[Guest pelmetman]

We have a friend who is also a customer not far from the site, and what the people in the area have had to put up with for years is a disgrace*-)

Human rights seems to only work one way:-(

[Guest peter]

How come the inland revenue doesn't turn up and ask them where they get the money for their fancy abodes and how much tax they have paid on their ill gotten gains. After all it was only the taxman that managed to nail al capone. They come over here with a transit and return with a transit with a caravan behind, go figure. >:-)

[nightrider]

peter - 2011-08-31 8:40 PM

 

We wouldn't have to worry about them at all if herr adolph had won the war. He would have exterminated the lot of the theiving scum. >:-)

Peter,

Be very careful making statements like that or oldlowie and francisgraham will be accusing you of being BNP, EDL, Nazi scum, mind you I have no doubt that you could handle these two jerks, particularly as you are prone to making the odd typo as they are the self appointed forum policemen.

[Retread24800]

knight of the road - 2011-08-31 9:29 PM The thing is a lot of these Irish travellers/tinkers have fixed abodes over in the bog where they over winter and hit the road to England in the spring to make their money.

One of the UK's biggest problems is the strange way that 'Benefits ' are paid. In some countries you have to have worked and paid contributions for the proceeding six months before you are able to claim any state benefit, but not in the UK, drive off the ferry and its all there for you, why do you think the UK is the country of choice for full and part time immigrants?

In France there is positive encouragement for 'Roms' to register as French Citoyen, failure to do so will result in expulsion, Note that the law was changed and now anyone working or abiding in the country must register for tax etc. with the authorities or risk expulsion, even former residents of another EU country, following allegations of racist behaviour.

Trying to work 'on the black' can, and does have the same effect. The local artisan has no compunction about dobbing anyone in and the Gendarmerie have a sensible zero tolerance approach. You can have your goods and chattels seized up to the value of theun paid taxes and contributions, fines etc, soon make short work of a Ford Tranny and Hobby :-)

[nowtelse2do]

Retread24800 - 2011-08-31 8:20 PM

I always feel that some one needs to play devils advocate.

There is a serious under provisionment of authorised sites for travellers a quick google on the subject will show that 80% of travelling families are semi permanently settled on authorised sites. Statutory targets for the provision of sufficient sites is woefully behind schedule, targets set in 2006 have not been achieved and are unlikely to be so. A quick check on my old counties web site gives a fuller picture but in the meantime dont let your nimbyism get in the way of a good rant. 

Are these classed as Aires? Can we use them on our way to the channel 8-) Dave

[Retread24800]

:-) :-)

Roger.

[Guest pelmetman]

What I can't understand is if they love the travelling life so much why do they want to set up home in one place and turn it into a tip.

We had three vans parked further up our road the other week, luckily they moved on after three days but everyone in the village were making sure everything was locked up.

Suppose they could always join the Caravan Club and pay for a pitch like the rest of us(lol)(lol)(lol)

[pepe63xnotuse]

knight of the road - 2011-08-31 8:51 PM

 

peter - 2011-08-31 8:40 PM

 

We wouldn't have to worry about them at all if herr adolph had won the war. He would have exterminated the lot of the theiving scum. >:-)

Peter,

Be very careful making statements like that or oldlowie and francisgraham will be accusing you of being BNP, EDL, Nazi...

 

..and how on earth would they draw that conclusion,just from reading Peter's post?..Oh,yeah,I see now!?.. *-)

(Peter,if it was meant to be amusing,it was a bit wide of the mark mate...especially for a public forum.Maybe save that for down the pub,eh? :-S )

 

Ten years seems a bl**dy long time for them to have sorted this out..as has been said,if you wanted to stick a garage or extension up,the planning dudes would be all over you like a rash...?! :-S

[CliveH]

Hi Pepe - I think the comment was very much tongue on cheek - but like all such comments there is a ring of truth.

 

It is a sad fact that anyone that dares to contradict those of, let's say, a left wing persuasion, often gets labelled as racist, bnp member and lots of similar nonsense.

 

It seems to be the standard operating procedure for the left when they cannot deal with facts they try to denigrate the individual.

 

Try being a Climate Change sceptic - i.e. someone who asks questions rather than just accept "the one true version of the truth" - if my experience is anything to go by, I have been called a racist because contrary to the truth the Global Warming believers assume that I do not care about the rest of the world.

 

As for the specifics of this eviction - does anyone else find it offensive that these Irish itinerants hold up "Ethnic Cleansing" placards when the reality is that they have simply broken our planning laws and that at long last, long overdue, those same planning laws that WE have to abide by are at last being applied to them?

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

As I posted above, I haven't heard or read any mention of the EU Human Rights court yet so I would think that this will be their next move adding more millions for the taxpayer to pay.

No doubt the likes of Gareth Pearce and Cherie Blair are preparing their brief right now and rubbing their thieving grubby hands with glee at the thought of many more thousands of public money for their personal coffers. Another who gets a good living out of shouting her cakehole off in support of criminals, especially immigrant criminals, is Shami Chakrabarti but I haven't heard her in this case of the itinerants.

It's a pity these people don't follow the scriptures that they purport to do in the video link. Another complains that she doesn't want to live in bricks and mortar which I suppose is a good thing because then we would have to foot the cost of houses for them.

One tinker speaks of their culture forgetting that this is our country and to live here you abide by our laws and culture as people have done for centuries and they've been accepted. Sadly, due to political correctness, the EU human rights laws, and the minority liberal wets, who carry far more clout than their numbers warrant, it is the low lives in this country who get the support of the state rather than honest, law abiding people, like those who live by Dale Farm.

The answer is simple for the tinkers. If you don't like our laws or refuse to adapt to our culture go back whence you came. We aren't forcing them to stay here.

 

<<<<< (steps off soapbox).

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14734109

[nightrider]

Pepe,

I think we can take Peters remark about Adolf tongue in cheek, why are people frightened of mentioning Adolf Hitler? I live in a predominantly orthodox Jewish area and the Jews are not frightened of mentioning Hitler, in point of fact they won't let you forget what was done in Hitlers name.

Its every Jews duty to keep alive the memory of the holocaust lest it fades into history.

[Hopesy]

And there was me thinking it was a new Aire, well it is Essex B-) :-D

Joke for all those offended

[pepe63xnotuse]

Nobody worry!...I wasn't in anyway "offended"..(lol)

 

(...I was just slightly uncomfortable that someone seemingly viewed some of Hitler's extermination policies as a good thing...? and if that makes me some sort of liberal/lefty/namby pamby type,then I'll live with that... (lol) (lol) )

 

As anyone heard anymore about this on the news yet ?...have they started shifting 'em?..although I suppose as they've let them stay there for 10 years,the authorities obviously aren't in any great rush.... *-)

 

 

[nightrider]

Its quite possible that there will be a blood bath, these tinkers/itinerants will fight aided by anarchists intent on causing trouble who are coming in from all over the country.

Barracades have been built and they have 47kg propane gas bottles ready to "flare" off at the bailiffs plus they have tractor tyres ready to set fire to.

The thing is, this situation has caught the attention of the worlds media and our government cannot be seen to be backing down or they will lose face big time.

[CliveH]

Well I hope the law is laid down fairly but firmly and if violence is used against the authorities upholding the rule of law that the rest of us abide by then I hope that the law against violence is also applied firmly but fairly to the perpetrators

 

My only concern is that once evicted they will be looking for somewhere else - not surprising then that most fields and tracks round our way have been blocked by old tractors and felled trees - anything land owners can get their hands on.

 

My solution? Take them to an Irish ferry port and put them on one. Most of them fled Ireland because of crimes committed there and they are only here because we are such a soft touch.

 

Culture my arse - they are thieving scum with no respect for anybody or anything.

 

[nightrider]

CliveH - 2011-09-01 7:02 PM

 

Well I hope the law is laid down fairly but firmly and if violence is used against the authorities upholding the rule of law that the rest of us abide by then I hope that the law against violence is also applied firmly but fairly to the perpetrators

 

My only concern is that once evicted they will be looking for somewhere else - not surprising then that most fields and tracks round our way have been blocked by old tractors and felled trees - anything land owners can get their hands on.

 

My solution? Take them to an Irish ferry port and put them on one. Most of them fled Ireland because of crimes committed there and they are only here because we are such a soft touch.

 

Culture my arse - they are thieving scum with no respect for anybody or anything.

It will be interesting to see what happens over the coming days? not had time to watch TV news, bogged down with paperwork, need a good book keeper

[oldlowie]

knight of the road - 2011-08-31 8:51 PM

 

Peter,

Be very careful making statements like that or oldlowie and francisgraham will be accusing you of being BNP, EDL, Nazi scum, mind you I have no doubt that you could handle these two jerks, particularly as you are prone to making the odd typo as they are the self appointed forum policemen.

 

I detest the travellers, actually. We call them diddycoys down here, and we've got lots of them.

 

But don't let the facts get in the way of a snide remark.

 

Don't try and do my thinking for me, kotr. You've got your work cut out doing your own...

[Guest Tracker]

I am no lover of these people and their habits but I can't help but feel some sympathy for them - after all we all have to live somewhere don't we - and do we really want them wandering all over and camping on a roundabout near you?

 

They do own the land which they bought, as I understand it, 10 years ago although quite where the money came from heaven alone knows?

 

The unlicensed land ajoins an existing licensed site so if it is green belt either the existing site is too or it is very borderline in location and it seems more of an excuse from Essex CC than anything else?

 

The time for action and eviction was when they first started to build - not to have let them accumulate in numbers and permanency to such a level that it will be very difficult to evict them all now without huge cost and a lot of destruction and probably avoidable injuries?

 

So on balance my view is that the site should have retrospective planning permission, they should all be allowed to stay - but no more new arrivals of course, and Essex CC should take full responsibility for their own past failures in exercising control?

 

When it comes to local authorities they are very quick to jump on any individual who dares to break the rules but when it comes to taking on those who will fight back they do seem to lack any bottle at all - which is why we are in the mess we are now?

 

All of you good folks who want 50 or so families evicted along with probably 100 vehicles might like to give some serious thought as to where these people and their vehicles should be allowed to settle - as long as is not in their (or my) backyard please!