10 years - £18 million quid

[antony1969]

Its taken that long and that amount of money to get rid of the rabble at Dale Farm . Today the high court extended there illegal stay . I would pay money myself to go down there and let loose with a JCB . Stop pratting about , get em out and smash there bloody caravans so they don't end up in a B and Q car park near you .

[LordThornber]

Harsh.

 

But bloody spot on Antony, well said mate.

 

Martyn

[Guest pelmetman]

It's their human right to waste tax payers money*-)

I wonder if any of them know what a tax return looks like(lol)

[Dave225]

Unfortunately we live in a society where it appears the worse you are, the more you get. Of course if we all did that then we would have no society at all, but it seems to have escaped our so called ‘masters’ who actually control things. Of course all the publicity has encouraged every left winger do gooder and more than 1 college student to join in for the ‘fun’. Evidently there is at least 1 Cambridge undergrad currently missing her classes in order to join in ‘solidarity’. Unfortunately with all the publicity the last thing the Council wants is a death on their hands, even although the majority of the country would probably cheer.

 

There are going to be 2 outcomes from this.

 

1. They will be given permission to stay in which case all the other ‘illegal’ camps will become legal or

2. They will be moved out with a lot of trouble and promptly re-camp in the first cricket pitch/children’s park they find. Then it will start all over again.

It is ironic the Irish Government passed a Law prohibiting them from illegal camping, so they all moved here where they get benefits and it takes for ever to get an eviction notice passed. Of course they will all go home at Xmas to their new houses.

 

Who are the mugs here? Guess as you look in the mirror. However, why don't the Police make an exclusion zone a mile away so no cameras and then get on with it? When the poor darlings realise they are not on TV they may think a bit, if they actually can.

[Lord Braykewynde]

It can only happen in this country with it's judiciary who are so old they should have been pensioned off years ago instead of passing on to the rest of us the results of their dementia.

All I can say is I'm glad I'm in the autumn of my life but I do fear for my grandchildrens future because this country is becoming the pits of the world. The saddest part is that there's not one politician with the backbone to stop the slide simply because we no longer govern ourselves but are governed by foreigners. I did have hopes of Cameron but like thousands of others I was taken in by his lies and he's no different to Blair or Broon.

For centuries countries like France and Germany have been trying to conquer this country through innumerable wars and many tens of thousands of brave British people have given up their lives for our freedom. Now France and Germany have finally achieved their aim, not by war but politically.

We are seeing the death throes of a once great nation. Britain didn't get the 'Great' from political correctness or diversity.

[Dave225]

It gives me no pleasure to see that my prophecy no:2 has come to pass as I read they have now invaded a public park in Luton. By the time the eviction there takes place the park will be wrecked no doubt.

 

I lived in Holland in the late 70's and 80's when they were having a lot of problems with 'Krackers' or illegal squatters. The police used to put water cannon on the streets and wash the squatters into the canals. That usually cooled them off a bit, especially when they found what was floating beside them???

[Guest Peter James]

Couple of questions.

Where has the £18 million gone?

Where would you rehouse the children when you have thrown them off their own land?

[Guest pelmetman]

Peter James - 2011-09-23 9:03 PMCouple of questions. Where has the £18 million gone?Where would you rehouse the children when you have thrown them off their own land?

Those are easy questions Peter:D

1. Lawyers

2. Ireland

[Guest Peter James]

But its the local council who makes them homeless who has the legal obligation to rehouse them.

(In any case the kids are not Irish, they were born here.)

We currently have over 5 million people on the waiting list for council housing, and are building less new housing than at any time since 1923.

[Guest pelmetman]

Peter James - 2011-09-23 9:16 PMBut its the local council who makes them homeless who has the legal obligation to rehouse them.(In any case the kids are not Irish, they were born here.)We currently have over 5 million people on the waiting list for council housing, and are building less new housing than at any time since 1923.

I admire your ideology Peter:D...........In a perfect world we would all do our bit to help the less fortunate.............but we don't live in a perfect world, so what do we do with people who have no other agenda than to subvert the system8-)........by which I mean use the genuine tax payer to pick up the tab for their lifestyle choice........and YES we can include the MP's and bankers, lawyers in that statement*-)

I for one am fed up with picking up the tab, so I have decided to go on strike:D which fortunately coincided with starting another business which means I am for want of a better description tax neutral:-D........and have been for the last 2 years;-).............a position I will try to maintain:D

 

[Guest Peter James]

 

Politicians have created this problem by restricting house building to force up house prices and line their own pockets. Investors have put their money into buy to let property because it has beeen more profitable than productive industry, so we have no manufacturing and no jobs.

 

House prices are beyond millions of people. At least these people have bought their own land and caravans to put on it. They are not joining the millions of other claiming housing benefit, which they will have to do if you throw them off their own land.

 

Why not leave them where they are on their own land, and charge them council tax?

 

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Peter James - 2011-09-23 10:14 PM

 

 

 

Why not leave them where they are on their own land, and charge them council tax?

 

 

Simply because they are breaking the law.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/273080/Dale-Farm-travellers-get-53k-benefits-from-council-evicting-them

 

Even by being there illegally they are cashing in by claiming benefits, money that they shouldn't get because they are leeches and haven't paid a penny into this country. All they do is take and that is usually by thieving. They are no different to other economic migrants who come here except they don't give anything back into society except for misery.

It's been investigated and proved that most have homes in Ireland but in Ireland they don't get the free handouts like they do here or the blind eye to their illegal activities simply because the police are scared of them.

Do the same as the Irish government did to the Romanian travellers, send them home. No doubt they could pitch their vans on the land that the Roma did in Dublin which is now vacant, the roundabouts :-D

I think anyone who supports their cause should offer them a bit of their own garden. Problem then solved as long as they don't claim benefits off this country :-)

[nightrider]

So if the council put these tinkers into council homes they will wreck them and blight a whole council estate, lets see what the judge has to say when he has had the weekend to mull over the situation?

[nightrider]

pelmetman - 2011-09-23 9:34 PM

Peter James - 2011-09-23 9:16 PMBut its the local council who makes them homeless who has the legal obligation to rehouse them.(In any case the kids are not Irish, they were born here.)We currently have over 5 million people on the waiting list for council housing, and are building less new housing than at any time since 1923.

I admire your ideology Peter:D...........In a perfect world we would all do our bit to help the less fortunate.............but we don't live in a perfect world, so what do we do with people who have no other agenda than to subvert the system8-)........by which I mean use the genuine tax payer to pick up the tab for their lifestyle choice........and YES we can include the MP's and bankers, lawyers in that statement*-)

I for one am fed up with picking up the tab, so I have decided to go on strike:D which fortunately coincided with starting another business which means I am for want of a better description tax neutral:-D........and have been for the last 2 years;-).............a position I will try to maintain:D

 

Hey Dave,Whats this new business enterprise you have started? my craft shop enterprise is coming on well now, gonna push it over the winter period.

[Guest Peter James]

Lord Braykewynde - 2011-09-23 11:00 PM

 

they are leeches and haven't paid a penny into this country. All they do is take and that is usually by thieving.

 

Where is your evidence of that. Oh, the Daily Express whose headline tells us 75% of sickness benefit claimants are faking *-)

 

 

In the UK, we have a welfare system. The disability benefit side of it has been being overhauled for the last few years. Labour started it, the Coalition are continuing it, they're using the same company (Atos) to execute it and the same advisor (Lord Freud) to justify it. This is not a party-political issue - red, blue or yellow, to borrow a phrase, they're all in it together.

 

In summary:

 

If you have a doctor's note stating that you are unable to work because of illness, injury or impairment, you apply for Employment Support Allowance (ESA). For the first 13 weeks of your claim you are paid the "assessment phase" rate of up to £67.50 per week.

If the assessment classifies you as entirely unable to work, and unlikely to ever be able to work, for instance because you are bedbound and terminally ill with a life expectancy of less than a year, you are granted unconditional ESA at the "support" rate of up to £99.85 per week.

If the assessment decides that, although your disabilities are substantial, you would be able to do *some* work at *some* point in the future with the right conditions/support/equipment/adjustments, then you are awarded ESA at the "work-related activity" rate of up to £94.25 per week. To continue to receive this you must attend regular work-related activities.

If the assessment determines that your NHS-diagnosed conditions are not severe enough to substantially impair your ability to work in an office environment, or that you would only require minor adjustments, you are deemed "fit to work". You don't get ESA at all, and are placed on Job Seekers Allowance (JSA) which is a smaller amount of money with much higher conditionality attached. If you are fortunate, there may be a note on your jobseeking file excusing you from mandatory application for specific jobs that would aggravate or be incompatible with your condition (for instance someone with speech and hearing difficulties may be "fit to work" but excused from mandatory application for call-centre jobs).

 

 

 

Leaving aside all the arguments about whether the system is fair, how their fitness-to-work tests relate to what is required to perform a job in the real world, and so on... the Department for Work and Pensions released these statistics, about ESA applicants over the last two years:

 

7% were incapable of any work (Support group)

17% were able to do some sort of work given the correct support (Work-related activity group)

39% were deemed to be fit for work and were moved onto jobseeker's allowance

36% dropped out of the application process

1% of applications were still in progress

 

On top of all this there is no recognition of the difference between being fit enough to do a job, and fit enough to get a job when there are millions of fully fit people ahead of you in the jobs queue.

 

The Express have taken these numbers and decided that 1% (still in assessment phase) plus 7% (Support group ESA) plus 17% (WRA group ESA) equals 25% of applicants approved to receive some form of ESA. So far, so true. However, their headline screams that therefore the remaining 75% - those moved onto JSA, and those who drop out of the system entirely - are "faking".

 

This is simply not true.

 

The fact that a person has failed to score enough points to get ESA (yes, it really is a points-based computer system) does not mean that they scored no points whatsoever, or even that they're not disabled, just that they're not quite disabled enough to be Officially unfit for work. That's why we have the assessment process! To assess people!

 

To apply to be assessed is not "faking".

 

To have a level of impairment that falls just short of the ESA bar is not "faking".

 

There will also be quite a few applicants who suffered an acute injury or illness (for instance, they were in a car accident) and were advised to apply for ESA as a temporary or worst case scenario - but in the 13-week assessment period, they have recovered well so they have been moved to JSA or have returned to work.

 

To recover from an illness or injury does not mean that the illness or injury was "faked".

 

There are also the people who get placed onto Jobseeker's Allowance, and go to appeal, and win. The rate of people winning their appeals is around 40% and this increases to 70% where the appellant has someone to represent them. Regrettably, there are also a number of genuinely disabled people who simply don't have the wherewithal to fight an appeal, and have to attempt to survive without the benefits they need.

 

To be too ill to fight is not "faking".

 

There are people who, during their assessment period, are fortunate to find a suitable job which is prepared to make the necessary adjustments, or who have enough personal support around them to enable them to be self-employed.

 

To return to the taxpaying workforce is not "faking".

 

A very few people will be fortunate enough to have other resources to fall back on. Perhaps an insurance payout of some kind, or a lottery win, or the sale of assets, will save them from the indignity of having to complete a process that treats them as the worst kind of fraudster from beginning to end.

 

To have alternative resources is not "faking".

 

Most significantly, there are those who die before the assessment phase is complete.

 

To die of a condition is perhaps the strongest possible indicator that the condition was not "faked".

 

 

I'd provide more concrete statistics, but we don't have them. Once you leave ESA, you're not monitored. We don't know how many of these people have got jobs, have died, have killed themselves, have left the country... no one cares. The Express just goes ahead and calls them all "fakers".

 

source: http://benefitscroungingscum.blogspot.com/

[Guest Peter James]

knight of the road - 2011-09-24 9:21 AM

 

So if the council put these tinkers into council homes they will wreck them and blight a whole council estate, lets see what the judge has to say when he has had the weekend to mull over the situation?

 

That won't happen, because they would be behind the 5 million people already in the queue for council housing. If the coucil forcibly ejects them from their own land, the only way they could fulfil their legal obligation to rehouse children and families is to put them into extremely expensive private rented accommodation at taxpayer's expense.

(Extremely expensive because thats all thats available. No wonder local councilors with their buy to let portfolois want the campers forced out of their own homes)

[Guest Peter James]

PS: Sending them to Ireland is not an option either. Apart from the fact that many are British (Born Here) Ireland is in the EEC, and Citizens of other EEC countries are free to come here. Its the price we pay for being able to go anywhere in the EEC ourselves. Apparently there are more British citizens abroard, than foreign citizens in Britain - another fact often overlooked.

[Guest Peter James]

PS: Another Daily Express myth is that foreigners come here for the generousity of our benefit system. The reality is that our benefit system is about the meanest in Europe.

Foreigners come here because Britain has the least regulated labour market in Europe, (what politicians call the flexible labour market) which makes it the easiest coutry to disappear into the black economy.

[BGD]

Peter - soz, I do not agree at all.

 

What evidence do you have to back up your assertion about the relative "mean-ness" of the UK Social Security benefits system for immigrants?

 

And of the UK labour market being the least regulated in Europe?

[nightrider]

Peter James - 2011-09-24 10:41 AM

 

PS: Sending them to Ireland is not an option either. Apart from the fact that many are British (Born Here) Ireland is in the EEC, and Citizens of other EEC countries are free to come here. Its the price we pay for being able to go anywhere in the EEC ourselves. Apparently there are more British citizens abroard, than foreign citizens in Britain - another fact often overlooked.

 

There may be more Brits abroad than there are foreigners over here, but nobody but nobody s**** the place up as much as these so called "travellers" Gypsy's, tinkers, didicoys call them whatever you like.

They are nothing but thieving scum who have no regard for decency, the filth they leave behind them when they move off a grass verge or whatever has to be seen to believe, discarded sanitary towels, human waste and used toilet paper all over.

[antony1969]

Peter James - 2011-09-24 10:45 AM

 

PS: Another Daily Express myth is that foreigners come here for the generousity of our benefit system. The reality is that our benefit system is about the meanest in Europe.

Foreigners come here because Britain has the least regulated labour market in Europe, (what politicians call the flexible labour market) which makes it the easiest coutry to disappear into the black economy.

 

Hope you have something to back that up with peter , meanest in Europe are you mad ? . Fact is our laughable " Traveller " friends are there illegally and thankfully at least one local council has stood up to them and will hopefully be able to evict them .

Its a crying shame for the locals there that for 10 years they have had to endure the filth and intimidation from them , its those people you should feel sorry for those who have had to erect security fences etc on there property to keep the thieving swines out .

 

[nightrider]

So if this high court judge decree's that they should be evicted what happens then? will they overwinter in Ireland till next spring and then head back here? or will they as I think pitch up on roadway grass verges, council or supermarket carparks, or pitch up on school playing fields etc.

These people must have an Achilles heel so why not hit them there? i do believe that if you dont have a permanant abode you cannot get motor insurence or road tax, if they havent, why not impound their pickup trucks, but if their trucks are impounded they cannot move their caravans, a catch 22 situation?

[Guest Peter James]

BGD - 2011-09-24 11:31 AM

 

Peter - soz, I do not agree at all.

 

What evidence do you have to back up your assertion about the relative "mean-ness" of the UK Social Security benefits system for immigrants?

 

And of the UK labour market being the least regulated in Europe?

 

I read it in the quality press, and could probably find it again if I searched, but frankly whats the point when people don't read it. (Like all the stuff I posed above about the Daily Express attack on the sick)

[Guest Peter James]

knight of the road - 2011-09-24 5:12 PM

 

Peter James - 2011-09-24 10:41 AM

 

PS: Sending them to Ireland is not an option either. Apart from the fact that many are British (Born Here) Ireland is in the EEC, and Citizens of other EEC countries are free to come here. Its the price we pay for being able to go anywhere in the EEC ourselves. Apparently there are more British citizens abroard, than foreign citizens in Britain - another fact often overlooked.

 

There may be more Brits abroad than there are foreigners over here, but nobody but nobody s**** the place up as much as these so called "travellers" Gypsy's, tinkers, didicoys call them whatever you like.

They are nothing but thieving scum who have no regard for decency, the filth they leave behind them when they move off a grass verge or whatever has to be seen to believe, discarded sanitary towels, human waste and used toilet paper all over.

 

Well that has not been my experience of the Romanys. Here in Newark they have a semi permanent camp by the riverside, and its immaculate. If you ever get a chance to see inside one of their Romany caravans I am sure you would be amazed how well decorated and kept it is. The have never been any bother at all. But I suppose if they dgo to areas where they are treated like s**t they will behave like s**t.

I am not saying there are no bad apples amongst them (although I have never met any) But you could say the same about the rest of us, couldn't you?

[Guest Peter James]

antony1969 - 2011-09-24 7:26 PM

 

Peter James - 2011-09-24 10:45 AM

 

PS: Another Daily Express myth is that foreigners come here for the generousity of our benefit system. The reality is that our benefit system is about the meanest in Europe.

Foreigners come here because Britain has the least regulated labour market in Europe, (what politicians call the flexible labour market) which makes it the easiest coutry to disappear into the black economy.

 

Hope you have something to back that up with peter , meanest in Europe are you mad ? . Fact is our laughable " Traveller " friends are there illegally and thankfully at least one local council has stood up to them and will hopefully be able to evict them .

Its a crying shame for the locals there that for 10 years they have had to endure the filth and intimidation from them , its those people you should feel sorry for those who have had to erect security fences etc on there property to keep the thieving swines out .

 

Well you haven't mentioned by quote from the Daily Express, so I'll give up on that then.

Try this one. What would you do with them when you have forcibly ejected them from their own property, and the children and families are homeless. The council is legaly obliged to rehouse them, and with all your concern for illegality how would you get around that one?

 

PS: The Romanys say its the other way round and they get the intimidation etc from the locals. Certainly the Romanys have also erected fences. So how do you know who to believe, unless you are so biased you automatically disbelieve the Romanys?