flicka Posted September 24, 2011 Posted September 24, 2011 Guess they will have to relocate the shed at Dale Farm then (says he with tongue very much in cheek)
nowtelse2do Posted September 24, 2011 Posted September 24, 2011 They are not living in it, only sleeping there until they can save up enough money for a deposit on a house. The way house prices are falling they might be lucky that the deposit there saving might actually buy a house in 5 yrs. It's better than living in a tent but don't like the idea of an oil heater in there. :-( Dave
Guest pelmetman Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 14000 Quid8-)............They could of bought a camper for 5k, and have 9k towards the deposit for a house8-)
nightrider Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 I dont see anything wrong with this young couple sleeping in that shed, rather enterprising I thought, by all accounts it was some jobsworth neighbour who bubbled them to the council, what harm are they doing?
vindiboy Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 My son built a large Shed in his garden double glazed and he fitted a wood burning stove in it to, it looks really good it is his work shop as he is a cabinet maker ,antique furniture restorer etc, he had a visit from the Council as someone complained that someone was living in the shed, they wern't of course, why can't people just mind their own business , if this young couple are evicted from their shed, doesn't the Council then have a duty to rehouse them ? so what is the point of kicking them out ?
nightrider Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 It must be awful for that young couple knowing full well that there is a neighbour spying on their every move.
francisgraham Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 Oh dear, I see that nothing has changed in Chatterbox! What evidence is there that 'a neighbour is spying on her every move"? The council simply received an anonymous complaint that someone was living in a shed!How would some of you feel if a neighbour erected a couple of sheds in his garden and rented them out to a few immigrant families, or maybe some nice Irish tinkers?This is why we have planning laws, to safeguard everyone from potentially obtrusive and unpleasant additions to properties.I really do find it quite amusing that the same people spouting about the eviction of the travellers at Dale Farm are quite clear that their main objection is that the site is illegal and has no planning permission.However, a nice British girl and her family decide to ignore the law and erect a dwelling at the bottom of their garden and the same people are suddenly not too worried about their law-breaking!I'd like to add by the way that I totally support the eviction of the Dale Farm travellers. No one should be able to defy the law and decide that they are going to build and live wherever they wish with a complete disregard for other people in the vicinity.However, the same rules should apply for everyone, Irish tinkers and the nice young girl next door as well!If her parents wish to house her in a separate dwelling in their garden, they should apply for planning permission like the rest of us, and their neighbours would then be free to voice what are perfectly reasonable objections and wouldn't have to report her to the council anonymously.
Guest pelmetman Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 Oh heck Francis is back8-)...........................................head for the shelters everyone8-)............... incoming abusemissiles expected................DIVE DIVE DIVE.........Where's me bleedin duvet gone:-S
nowtelse2do Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 They are NOT living in it, they eat, wash and stay in the house until its bedtime, so I can't see what law or planning law they are breaking. It would be interesting to know if there are any. As anyone on here let their children or grandchild sleep in a tent in the back garden, if so were you breaking any laws? *-) Is there room for another in the dugout Dave :D Dave
Dave225 Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 On 1 point I agree with Francis, but just wait till I get my tin hat on. The law should certainly apply to all and so the ‘nice’ couple should really have applied to get permission, which I doubt would have been approved. There have been a goodly number of instances where planning permission has been applied for retrospectively, and refused. The structure usually is torn down. However, after that point I digress from him totally. The ‘nice’ young couple will probably move back into the house with the parents and of course will not have any free space to call their own. They also are not claiming benefits, or have homes in another country. They were in fact trying to compromise and keep their marriage strong while saving for a deposit. Anyone who has lived with parents will know that it can be very stressful, even with the best will in the world. Have you tried sleeping through a thin wall from your parents????? They also have not used every legal loophole to delay the eviction, which he evidently supports, for over 10 years. Digging out foundations, drains and installing cess pits usually over a Bank Holiday weekend is not to my mind an indication of someone prepared to obey the Law. Of course after stalling for 10 years the ‘travellers’, who never travel can conceivably claim to be ‘permanently’ living in the Farm, when in actual fact they should have removed themselves at the start. I also note that those that did leave immediately found another public park in which to squat in, and are trying to start the whole sorry mess all over again. More taxpayers money will be wasted. I do agree with one poster who suggested that those who feel this is right and proper should put their money where their support lies, and offer to sponsor/ and house the travellers. After all our Victorian forebears who had money invariably used some of it for the common good and built Children’s Homes, Hospitals and even Workhouses. Now there is a solution for Dale Farm??????
Guest pelmetman Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 I think the nub of the problem is that the common sense majority is ruled by the out of touch minority*-).........................................................................Up in their marble towers, common sense cannot survive in the rarefied atmosphere(lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)
nightrider Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 Up and down the main roads near me there are advertising signs tied to the lamp posts saying, convert your garage into living space, fone such a number. And there are quite a few house on the top road who have converted their garages into offices, playrooms and no doubt some of them are slept in.
teflon2 Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 I don't know if it's different in outher parts of the country but in Suffolk as long as the maximum height is not more than 3meters and the building does not exeed 25% of the garden in an existing property you only need building regs. not planning permission and if it's only for temporary use (ie not living in) and has no W/C or bathroom you dont even need that. John :D
francisgraham Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 I think the funniest thing that I've read this week is: "They're only sleeping in it"!Sleeping is what defines a dwelling for God's sake! A man may have a garden shed and tool about in it all day quite legally, but the minute he starts to sleep in it it becomes a dwelling. If you have a beach hut at any popular seaside resort you can fit a stove and seats and a table but you are expressly forbidden from sleeping in it!Are some of you unable to work out the ramifications of allowing unfettered abrogation of the planning laws? Why just one shed? Let's assume that an Irish tinker family, newly thrown off Dale Farm, moves in next door to you. They have eight grown up children but only three bedrooms. So they erect three sheds in the back garden, put in some bunk beds and, as long as they all eat in the kitchen, that's all right then is it?And why stop there? Let your neighbour erect a couple of sheds and rent them to some immigrants. They would eat in the kitchen of course but they'd sleep in the sheds, so the nice little house next door could end up accommodating a dozen people!I have no problem with anyone converting their garage or adding an extension. I have no problem with anyone putting up a separate structure in their garden to be used as an office or living quarters but only if they apply for planning permission so that the local council and the neighbours have a say in whether or not it is a reasonable application.As I said earlier, what amazes me most is that the same people whinging about the Dale Farm travellers breaking the law are now happy to see the law broken by these people. Make up your minds folks!No one is above the law. It could be argued that leaving the travellers on site would be the best option. It will save millions in bailiffs' costs and will solve the problem of what happens to the families who are displaced, but we cannot even contemplate it. If we allow them to stay then we might as well tear up the planning regulations and allow anyone to build what they want, where they want.And this same argument applies to ordinary people who build fancy sheds in their garden to be used as a dwelling. I mean, have you actually looked at the pictures? That's one very nice shed with its two matching windows!Is it really so hard to understand why people should not be allowed to put extra dwelling places in their back gardens without planning permission, which also gives neighbours the right to protest if they think that it could well greatly devalue their own property?
Guest pelmetman Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 Eh up Francis:D..............I've sussed you out:-D...... you have posted previously you earn £250 per hour, I doubt you're a wheel clamper, or a middle class hooker who charge same hourly rate:D..................So you must be a lawyer???
nowtelse2do Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 francisgraham - 2011-09-25 8:10 PMI think the funniest thing that I've read this week is: "They're only sleeping in it"! And here's me thinking you had no sense of humor
francisgraham Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 pelmetman - 2011-09-25 8:25 PMEh up Francis:D..............I've sussed you out:-D...... you have posted previously you earn £250 per hour, I doubt you're a wheel clamper, or a middle class hooker who charge same hourly rate:D..................So you must be a lawyer??? I could be a consultant neurosurgeon who does private practice. I could be an accountant specialising in mergers and acquisitions. Then again I could also be a lawyer specialising in company law, or any number of professions. What I definitely am is someone who doesn't think with his guts and who tries to work out the ramifications of his views, unlike most people here who are simply unable to work out for instance the result of allowing anyone to put up living quarters in their gardens without any kind of planning approval, or without giving the neighbours an opportunity to challenge something that may well devalue their own property. I can just see the comments coming from you and others if a traveller family moved in next door and put a static caravan in the back garden to accommodate their ten kids. Well, what harm's it doing? It's keeping them off the street whilst they save up for a house of their own! I suppose i could also be a chartered surveyor, specialising in the more esoteric end of the profession, such as appealing the more challenging and complex end of commercial-property planning applications!
Guest pelmetman Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 So your a left wing lawyer then:D
Dave225 Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 Naw! He lives in Cheshire. Isn't that where all the footballers live?? Bet his real name is Wayne.
Guest pelmetman Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 Dave225 - 2011-09-25 8:55 PMNaw! He lives in Cheshire. Isn't that where all the footballers live?? Bet his real name is Wayne.Must be a left wing divorce lawyer then(lol)
nightrider Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 pelmetman - 2011-09-25 9:05 PM Dave225 - 2011-09-25 8:55 PMNaw! He lives in Cheshire. Isn't that where all the footballers live?? Bet his real name is Wayne.Must be a left wing divorce lawyer then(lol) Nah, I have it on good authority that he makes poufes in his garden shed..
nightrider Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 In todays edition of the Mail on Sunday there is an article about a guy who is converting redundant shipping containers into housing pods, insulated and with all mod cons including underfloor electric heating.
nightrider Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 Regarding converting garages, my next door neighbour and his wife are heavy smokers but they dont smoke indoors, it was rather comical seeing them stood out in the back garden in all weathers having a drag. He then hit on the idea of converting his garage into a smoking den. He insulated it, laid carpets, fitted an electric fire, painted and decorated it, plus he furnished it so now he and his wife and friends adjourn to the garage cum smoke, games room, plus of course he has a small fridge for the beer and a jolly good time is had by all, most people only store junk in their garages, get rid of the junk and use the valuable space. I turned my integral garage into a downstairs loo, a utility room and a little office for myself.
Guest pelmetman Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 knight of the road - 2011-09-25 9:34pm Nah, I have it on good authority that he makes poufes in his garden shed..It's alright Malcolm I know a good IP lawyer;-)
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