Mike B. Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Hi From 1st Jan 2012 the rules are changing re dogs re-entering the UK. Does anyone understand them? It appears they will not have to wait 6 months after rabies injection to go (only 3 weeks) and they won't need to see a vet in France for tapeworm/ticks before they come home anymore. Does anybody have any opinons or knowledge if this is correct or am I misunderstanding it? I have checked the Deffra website plus a few others and there doesn't seem to be a difinitive procedure to take the dog and bring it back any more-anyone know what's going on and what the exact procedure will be? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Grumpy Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 As I understand things at the moment from January dogs will not need tick treatment but DEFRA have not yet decided about worming so you may still need to visit the vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggyd Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I dont think anyone know as yet :-S were waiting until Jan; to see what the Defra site says it is just hearsay I think at the moment, even your Vet wont advise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmaggott Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 We are also finding it confusing and have therefore decided that we won't go for the winter. We don't have a good command of french so prefer to be sure of the procedure before venturing abroad with our dog. I will not take any risk whatsoever of her being refused re-entry. I am very disappointed that DEFRA cannot get their act together on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggyd Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Madmaggott - 2011-10-05 4:07 PM We are also finding it confusing and have therefore decided that we won't go for the winter. We don't have a good command of french so prefer to be sure of the procedure before venturing abroad with our dog. I will not take any risk whatsoever of her being refused re-entry. I am very disappointed that DEFRA cannot get their act together on this matter. The rules have not as yet changed Marg you still need to visit the Vet in France 24/48 hours before returning to get your pooch tick/flea treat and his passport stamped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camperadi Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 If you are looking to get a pet passport there is no point in applying for it until new rules start january 1st 2012. From then you no longer have to have expensive blood test to check that rabies injection has worked and you dont have to wait 6 months before the animal can return to the uk. Under the new rules that wait is reduced to 3 weeks. It is my understanding that a decision has been made regarding worms. A dog has to visit the vet before return to the uK for worm treatment. This visit can now be between one to five days prior to return. This has been decided because of the risk to human health that exists from certain types of tape worm. There is now no requirement for flea or tick treatment, although I will continue to treat my dogs. Existing pet passports are still valid so long as rabies booster injection rules are followed and logged by vet onto passport. This is my understanding from research that I have carried out although I agree that there is still confusion. My vet has now stopped all pet passports until Jan 1st although my puppy has been microchipped in readyness. My vet has also offered to provide rabies jab but I have declined on the basis that I would prefer to get all the passport components done together in January. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le canichot depang Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 As I understand it reading the defra website info, aside from the rabies/passport changes from January 2012 you will only have to visit a vet for the tapeworm treatment,( however this is still under debate), but the most likely outcome may be that the 24/48hr window will be extended to about 5days prior to returning to the UK, which for people going over for long weekends will mean they can go to their vet in the UK to have the tapeworm treatment before leaving for the ferry instead of the French vet if preferred. Hopefully they may decide to abandon the tapeworm treatment as with the tick and flea; originally it was to keep some species of European tick, that was not in the UK out, they have since found that this species of tick has been quite happily living all over the UK and even as far north as Scotland so no need to try and keep it out any more - All us animal owners will be watching this space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 We've just had Lily to the vets for her rabies booster and the vet said there still isn't any decision yet on exactly what is required from January 2012. As regards the rabies boosters, this time round she's had to have a different booster - Rabisin which lasts for only 2 years, rather than the Quantum Rabies one she usually has which lasts for 3 years - as our vets have been unable to get hold of the QR for over 2 months as there appears to either be a shortage or it has been 'unofficially' removed from the market. Cost of the booster £38, last time it was only £25! *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Rosie's current rabies booster was for three years and expires in Jan 2013 but the French vet suggested two weeks ago that we might like to get her re-boosted in January 2012 as the rules MIGHT change back to two years from three in which case we would have to start all over again as if she had never had a rabies should the reversion occur after Jan 2012 and before 2013? The vet was also as much in the dark as the rest of us citing her opinion that the UK government is dragging it's heels and procrastinating and has no idea what to do next - nothing new there then! Confused - join the club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B. Posted October 30, 2011 Author Share Posted October 30, 2011 Think I'll just get daughter to look after her for a month!!-Hopefully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryW Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Keep the News and very helpful advice coming for those of use who are new to the subject. We have just been taken over by an 8 week old puppy who is already booked to cross in May and not being familiar with the normal internet sites that the more experienced would visit, it's very comforting to know that on this forum help is never far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 terryW - 2011-10-31 9:08 AM Keep the News and very helpful advice coming for those of use who are new to the subject. We have just been taken over by an 8 week old puppy who is already booked to cross in May and not being familiar with the normal internet sites that the more experienced would visit, it's very comforting to know that on this forum help is never far away. You simply cannot say something like that and not let us have more details/pictures ... c'mon ... we want pictures of the puppy!!!! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryW Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Mel B - 2011-10-31 6:53 PM terryW - 2011-10-31 9:08 AM Keep the News and very helpful advice coming for those of use who are new to the subject. We have just been taken over by an 8 week old puppy who is already booked to cross in May and not being familiar with the normal internet sites that the more experienced would visit, it's very comforting to know that on this forum help is never far away. You simply cannot say something like that and not let us have more details/pictures ... c'mon ... we want pictures of the puppy!!!! :D Now he's stopped taking lumps out of my leg I've had the time to shrink a picture. It's about the only one that's not a blur as he flies out of the frame. I may even get time to find him some insurance that will cover more than 30 days abroad or am on a looser with that one. At the moment he has 28 days freebee with the Kennel Club. So time to start researching I think. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggyd Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Last year we got our travel insurence with the CCC and that included pet insurence, I got a nice suprise as I dont usually insure our dogs Id rather just bite the bullet and pay up rather than have a debt around our necks. :-S Oh lovely little bundle of fun you have there :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersonCampervan Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 maggyd - 2011-11-02 4:37 PM Last year we got our travel insurence with the CCC and that included pet insurence, I got a nice suprise as I dont usually insure our dogs Id rather just bite the bullet and pay up rather than have a debt around our necks. What's the "CCC"? (We have pet insurance that covers US & Canada, but not Europe. We have a new puppy as well - here's his webpage :-) : http://travel.jeffersoncampervan.com/odin.html He's booked on a flight to Dusseldorf end of June, when he will be a year old. We have not traveled to the UK in the past due to pet restrictions, but may make the trip this year, depending on how these new rules play out. We have never had a problem bringing our dog into the EU, both thru Schiphol & FRAPort, but the UK has always been more trouble than we care to deal with. Frank, Taylor & Odin in Toronto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob b Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 The CCC is the Caravan and Camping Club. Thats a fine looking sheep you have there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryW Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 When we last had a dog, many years ago we didn't bother with insurance either but with this little bundle of fun we think it will be a wise investment. So far the one that appears to meet our needs best is the Co-op and that policy gives 90days away from home including Europe. CCC is not an option having left two years ago, almost to the day over their booking system. Having said that we still use Europe Assist and that is the policy they sell members , with a couple of extras for an additional £100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Haven't been on the forum for months now as my lovely dog was taken ill in France in the summer and after being hospitalised at two vets she eventually lost her fight after three weeks. She was only 9. Quite devastating being on my own but euthanasia in France is much more dignified than in England and so much better for the dog. Since then I have had to fight to get the insurance to pay out and only won last week. Not knowing about the changes to the rules for the Pet Passport, I returned to England earlier than planned in order to collect a new puppy and get all the formalities done before returning to France in the New Year. Obviously I didn't need to bother as my vet stopped sending blood tests off some time ago and he told me this week that the vaccination is still licensed for three years. She has now been chipped and the vaccination will be done in early December. The insurer I used for my deceased pet, Halifax, no longer offer pet insurance so I am now searching for an insurance company that does not use the intermediaries that held up my genuine claim. I received no correspondence from them other than to offer next year's renewal for the deceased pet with another company to whom they had forwarded my bank details! So far I have found that many well known pet insurers use this company so they were crossed off my list immediately. My cheque arrived after I had threatened to report them - no explanation as to their calculations or apologies for the delay or any compensation for my inconvenience. This week, however, I have actually received a letter of condolence from Halifax. The other criterion regarding my search is for a reasonable amount of time given for travel insurance cover. I have had to search the small print on lots of policies and the majority vary from 21 days to 90 days per year, not per trip. Even the Caravan Club (max 60 per trip) and CCC (31 days) are not generous enough for many retirees. It seems very strange to me as in my experience (which is quite comprehensive now) veterinary charges (certainly in France) are much lower than in England. My English vet has advised taking out insurance in the early years and then dropping it when it becomes very expensive. I have eventually found Saga to be the best one for me - cover for life and unlimited trips and duration abroad for just over £12. I will try to add a picture of my new "baby" Amber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggyd Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Patricia 'Im so sorry you have lost your lovely dog, that is heartbreaking enough without having the upset of arguing with Insurance companies :-S I have never had any dealings with them as I have always had the suspicion that something like you have experienced is the norm, but I can understand people getting it if they dont want nasty surprises if their much treasured pet needs expensive treatment. I'm glad that you have another lovely dog I would find life very dull without one and I was over 40 before I got my first one, little Amber is beautiful and I hope you have many happy years together. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I have only just found your post Magyyd as for some reason my notifying email has not arrived. Many thanks for your kind words. Yes it was very truamatic at the time mostly because it was so unexpected. She began to be poorly soon after I left England and as it was the weekend I had to wait until the Monday to visit a vet who hospitalised her immediately. I was hoping that it was pancreatitis which is treatable but unfortunately not so. I had to transfer her to a specialist vet in another French town where she stayed for another week. After this she seemed to be improving but after a few days she went down rapidly. All that treatment and specialist food came to less than 700€, much less than it would have cost me in England. On a cheerier note, the new puppy is delightful but really keeping me busy - she never stops, lots of energy and extremely sharp teeth and claws. I have had those clipped but will have to be patient about the teeth! I may yet decide not to insure her longterm but perhaps just for the first year or so. PS I must remember to change my avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Hi Patricia, so sorry to hear of your dog's departure, never easy. What was the cause in the end? I wish you would all stop talking about puppies though, I'm sorely tempted - someone is advertising 6 week old small Jack Russell puppies not far from me ....! *-) Tempted? Moi? .... of course!!!!! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggyd Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Mel you really must stop this hankering after fluffy bundles (lol) you will end up having to have a RV to house them ;-) . Pat my eldest has pancreatic trouble he has to be watched very closely to see he doesnt eat anything with fat in it, and other people thinking they are giving him a treat not realizing how much pain he will be in if he eats it. :-S . What diagnosis did they give you ? did you ever find out what was the cause. I wouldn't hurry changing your avatar, my hubby still has Tim my first chihuahua as his screen saver and we lost him six years ago. I was very surprised at what a little madam a bitch can be! our youngest is 18months and show,s no signs of calming down (lol) ! every other female chi we have seen has been lovely good mannered little thing >:-) not ours!! she runs rings around Teddy, which reminds me I should probably change my avatar as well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Anyone thinking of getting a dog please don't forget that the rescue centres are full to bursting. The majority end up there through no fault of their own and will make great companions. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Totally agree Sue, all our dogs have come from either rescue centres or places where they were not wanted, so far we've had: Pootle - she came from an unwanted litter Sally, Barley, Poppy, Midge and Romy - all from rescue centres Kizzie - unwanted last puppy in litter Honey - a stray Lily - unwanted 'kiddies' dog ... once she got to 4 months and got a personality they didn't want her any more. I certainly will be going to the rescue centres again when the time comes, but I can 'dream' of fluffy things, can't I. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 My notification emails are still not coming through. Anyone else having this problem? I have just sent a request to the moderator to investigate for me. Thank you all for your comments. Mel and Magyyd: my lovely girl was ill two years ago and had her womb removed and really, in hindsight, she probably never really got over that. I personally think that the operation was "botched" in some way but cannot prove it. After that she had "toilet" problems from time to time and also a bad case of pancreatitis. This final illness though was confirmed as kidney malfunction and a heart murmur. The French vets tried very hard to re-hydrate her and supplied all sorts of medication but to no avail. In retrospect I probably put her through avoidable discomfort and pain but I thought I was doing the best for her. I just wish that I had taken her to be put to sleep a day earlier as the last night was horrendous. I did try to locate a rescue dog but at that time the only dogs availabel were Staffies or Rotweillers (spelling?) or others which are much too big for me to handle. Also I love this breed - excellent with children (have 4 great-grandchildren now) and adults alike, a good bark to deter intruders (I hope!!) , good size for the motorhome, responsive to my mood and, finally, eat less than other breeds!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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