laimeduck Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 pelmetman - 2011-11-10 8:50 PM Seems to me these wonderful wind generating oikes are missing the point*-).................Most of the power goes to the cities........they have very tall buildings, stick a wind turbine on top of each one and power them selves;-)................ or am I being simple again?:D Well ....swipe me with a doily ..... I do believe he's got it! Sounds good to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I like that Dave, With all the hot air coming out of the high rise buildings assisted by Air Con Unit fans, they would not even be reliant on the wind :D :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aultymer Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Nuclear for base load with pumped storage for the peaks - been available for donkeys years yet a tiny number of individuals have prevented it by a combination of irrational fears re nuclear (it's a bomb) and, I kid you not, opposition to the creation of high reservoirs in some areas because it would spoil the wilderness for walkers!! How do they feel about great swathes of land dominated by windmills? By the way, has anyone done any calculations into the global effect of taking energy from the wind? What happens to the natural processes that the wind was doing before the energy was extracted? All generated energy ends up as low grade heat, what happens if we keep extracting energy from nature and converting it to low grade heat? Bin those electric can openers before it is too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 aultymer - 2011-11-10 11:06 PM Nuclear for base load with pumped storage for the peaks - been available for donkeys years yet a tiny number of individuals have prevented it by a combination of irrational fears re nuclear (it's a bomb) and, I kid you not, opposition to the creation of high reservoirs in some areas because it would spoil the wilderness for walkers!! How do they feel about great swathes of land dominated by windmills? By the way, has anyone done any calculations into the global effect of taking energy from the wind? What happens to the natural processes that the wind was doing before the energy was extracted? All generated energy ends up as low grade heat, what happens if we keep extracting energy from nature and converting it to low grade heat? Bin those electric can openers before it is too late. ,,,,and has anyone calculated how much oil, gas, coal etc we can extract from underground before the planet implodes and we all fall in ? (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leake Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I have and if you are interested the exact date is 27/11/2015. The good side of this is that the oceans will boil and I have plans for converting the resultant steam into electricity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Reality check. Britain is the only significant country in the world whose power and water supplies are owned by foreign corporations. Now that the power stations they bought from us cheap are worn out, we depend on them to build new ones. To put it bluntly, these foreign corporations have got us by the b*llocks. They are already charging us 20% - 25% more for the same electricity they sell in their own countries. Our coal mines are destroyed, our oil is running out, we are dependant on ships bringing in frozen gas from overseas, we are heavily in debt with our productive industry decimated and our unaffordable public sector out of control, we have rampant inflation and and our economy is being precariously propped up by printing money to sustain mickey mouse interest rates.. If a few selfish nimbys don't like the look of windfarms thats unfortunate, but we have to get power from wherever we can. We have to site wind farms where there is space to erect them, and where there is lots of wind to make them reasonably cost effective. To suggest building them in cities is ludicrous. Incidentally, It costs much more to deliver electricity, water and post to the countryside than it does to the cities, because of the distasnces involved. But the prices charged are the same. So people in the cities are already subsidising people in the countryside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkc Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 aultymer - 2011-11-10 11:06 PM By the way, has anyone done any calculations into the global effect of taking energy from the wind? What happens to the natural processes that the wind was doing before the energy was extracted? All generated energy ends up as low grade heat, what happens if we keep extracting energy from nature and converting it to low grade heat? Bin those electric can openers before it is too late. Why didn't I think of that? and another thing, what about all the holes left in the sea when they take out the fish? :-> :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Peter James - 2011-11-12 7:45 AM . Incidentally, It costs much more to deliver electricity, water and post to the countryside than it does to the cities, because of the distasnces involved. But the prices charged are the same. So people in the cities are already subsidising people in the countryside. In view of the costs and distances involved I hope the people of rural Wales are grateful to the city of Birmingham for supplying them with water. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 pkc - 2011-11-12 9:57 AM Why didn't I think of that? and another thing, what about all the holes left in the sea when they take out the fish? :-> :-S You can stop worrying. The holes are filled when the tide goes out. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkc Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 I bow to your obviously superior knowledge. Apologies :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryW Posted November 12, 2011 Author Share Posted November 12, 2011 malc d - 2011-11-12 12:24 PM Peter James - 2011-11-12 7:45 AM . Incidentally, It costs much more to deliver electricity, water and post to the countryside than it does to the cities, because of the distasnces involved. But the prices charged are the same. So people in the cities are already subsidising people in the countryside. In view of the costs and distances involved I hope the people of rural Wales are grateful to the city of Birmingham for supplying them with water. (lol) And thank them for the subsidy they pay towards Birminghams fuel costs, the supermarket charge rural Wales an extra 5p ltr on diesel. Oh and by the way the turbines on the hill just up the road have hardly turned all week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 terryW - 2011-11-12 6:57 PM the supermarket charge rural Wales an extra 5p ltr on diesel. Because it costs more to deliver smaller amounts to rural areas. The supermarkets can pass this charge on. But the post office and utilities don't. So city dwellers are effectively subsidising rural areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 malc d - 2011-11-12 12:24 PM In view of the costs and distances involved I hope the people of rural Wales are grateful to the city of Birmingham for supplying them with water. (lol) Presumably whoever owns the reservoir is going to be charging for the water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Peter James - 2011-11-12 8:21 PM malc d - 2011-11-12 12:24 PM In view of the costs and distances involved I hope the people of rural Wales are grateful to the city of Birmingham for supplying them with water. (lol) Presumably whoever owns the reservoir is going to be charging for the water? I'm not sure I follow what ' cost and distance ' has to do with who is charging ? :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryW Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 Peter James - 2011-11-12 8:21 PM malc d - 2011-11-12 12:24 PM In view of the costs and distances involved I hope the people of rural Wales are grateful to the city of Birmingham for supplying them with water. (lol) Presumably whoever owns the reservoir is going to be charging for the water? They certainly will, one was sold recently and I think it went to Npower who are one of those intending to cover the hill in the picture below with 600 ft pylons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 terryW - 2011-11-13 11:10 AM They certainly will, one was sold recently and I think it went to Npower who are one of those intending to cover the hill in the picture below with 600 ft pylons I bet that when they were planning to build that dam and reservoir local nimbys were protesting it would ruin the view? Whatever. When the lights start going out the sight of a few pylons 'spoling the view' will seem a lot less important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryW Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 Peter James - 2011-11-14 8:30 PM terryW - 2011-11-13 11:10 AM They certainly will, one was sold recently and I think it went to Npower who are one of those intending to cover the hill in the picture below with 600 ft pylons I bet that when they were planning to build that dam and reservoir local nimbys were protesting it would ruin the view? Whatever. When the lights start going out the sight of a few pylons 'spoling the view' will seem a lot less important Actually their village is under the water, though I believe they moved the church and the cemetry. One thing we don't have to worry about in Wales is the lights going out we generate more than enough electricity from nuclear power to meet our needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryW Posted December 10, 2011 Author Share Posted December 10, 2011 An amusing take on wind turbines by Alexander Boot So wind turbines do work after all All those naysayers bleating about wind farms being useless have been proved wrong. Buffeted by 50 mph gales, a £2-million wind turbine caught fire in Scotland yesterday, providing much needed light and heat for the countryside. Admittedly, that was the only contribution made by Scottish windfarms to that noble task, as all other turbines went on strike. This isn't just a figure a speech: according to a spokesman for National Grid, 'wind farms just decided not to generate' the 1,500 MW they were expected to produce -- enough for two million homes. By inference, the turbines must have got together, in the TUC manner, taken the vote and 'decided' to form an uncrossable picket line. Unless the winds meet their demands (as yet unspecified), they'll stay idle for as long as it takes. Let those Scotsmen freeze in the dark, see if the turbines care. It has to be said that the winds haven't always been cooperative, so this deadlock in negotiations is at least partly their fault. Sometimes they are nonexistent, leaving the turbines unemployed. At other times they are so still that the farms have to be helped along by the grid, consuming more power than the gadgets can generate. This power struggle will continue, and it's unclear which party will emerge the winner. The loser, on the other hand, is fairly easy to predict with confidence: the public. You and me. With the EU shenanigans laying a dense smokescreen, the government has unveiled plans to build 30,000 more of those ugly things. At £2 million a pop it adds up, but no sacrifice is too high for our spivocrats to show the world that THEY CARE. The world economy may be going to the dogs, an apocalyptic war is brewing in the Middle East, China is flexing its military muscle, Putin is threatening the West with nuclear weapons, but that's nothing to prevent Dave et al from screaming that THEY CARE. That's why they continue to increase our expenditure on foreign aid to economies considerably more dynamic than our own. The late Peter Bauer quipped that foreign aid is a transfer of money from the poor people in rich countries to the rich people in poor countries, but he missed the point. Which is that, to attract the lower intellectual and moral tiers of the electorate, our spivocrats have to show that THEY CARE. Hence they've been neglecting for years the development of nuclear power, which isn't just the most effective but also the safest alternative to hydrocarbons. And that's why they keep throwing our money on various harebrained projects, such as solar and wind energy. The justification is that THEY CARE not only about this generation but also about hundreds of future generations threatened by global warming. Never in the history of politicking has so much been spent by so many on so little scientific evidence. Meanwhile, we continue to buy our electricity from France, where more than 80% of it is produced by nuclear stations. This is one area in which Angie and Nicky don't seem to see eye to eye. Driven by their high principles and intellectual integrity, they agree to disagree. Angie is faced with a strong Green party, and Nicky isn't. So Angie is planning to get rid of nuclear power (a courageous decision in a country that doesn't have its own oil), while Nicky doesn't have to. That way both can claim that THEY CARE. Meanwhile, yesterday's accident in Scotland shows a way forward: using those turbines for firewood. This source of energy wouldn't be exactly renewable -- unless of course in parallel we continue to build more wind farms. Yes, that would work. Especially if the low energy output of the wind farms could be boosted by the hot air produced by our politicians. THEY DO CARE about power. But only the naive think it's of the electric kind. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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