BGD Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 (I accept this is from the Daily Wail, and therefore might be a work of complete fiction). http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074963/Top-woman-doctor-awarded-staggering-4-5-MILLION-hounded-job-baby.html Polish born Doctor. Employed by the UK NHS. Gets pregnant.Goes on paid maternity leave. Then suspended, ie not required to work at all, on FULL PAY for two-and-a-half years; then fired, and now is given a FURTHER Four Million Five Hundred Thousand Pounds of UK taxpayers money. Enough to pay for 121 nurses. Yep. On top of all else that she's already been paid, her latest payout alone is enough to fund 121 nurses. A Fair result? For who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 That is correct Bruce. It was on the lunchtime news today. Where's the 4 million payout going to come from?............................... Oh I just realised........us the taxpayer, disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Prob put the price of booze up to cover it :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Whoever ok'd the payout might be the one who got her pregnant *-) Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Not condoning the amount she's been paid but it would appear she suffered an inordinate level of harassment before being summarily sacked for no reason, the fact that she is of Polish origins is immaterial. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Do the muppets that mishandled her sacking get any comeuppance?...................... *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 Dave Newell - 2011-12-16 3:15 PM Not condoning the amount she's been paid but it would appear she suffered an inordinate level of harassment before being summarily sacked for no reason, the fact that she is of Polish origins is immaterial. D. Hi Dave - OK, so she was unfairly dismissed in UK law. (I suspect the Polish origin bit was mentioned only because it was the rabidly right wing Daily Mail who did the report that I saw). But it wasn't any of the facts of the case that I was against at all. It was (is) the utterly astronomical amount of taxpayers money (UK taxpayers money of course, Postnote) she has got as a result that made me fall off my chair (can I sue UK Taxpayers for that?). £100,00 maybe. £200,00 perhaps. £300,00 on a good day. But Dave, she's got £4,500,000. For being unfairly dismissed from one job. After two and a half years on full pay, whilst not being required to go to work at all. Once invested, that's maybe £300,000 each and every year. For the rest of her entire life.Without even ever touching the £4.5 million capital sum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Total madness and whoever awarded her that sum should be made to pay half themself. After that the same person should be taken out and shot :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 Lord Braykewynde - 2011-12-16 5:26 PM Total madness and whoever awarded her that sum should be made to pay half themself. After that the same person should be taken out and shot :-) Did you appear on the "One Show" on TV a couple of weeks ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 The element of award for the loss of (a Public Sector) pension seems rather low? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 BGD - 2011-12-16 5:35 PM Lord Braykewynde - 2011-12-16 5:26 PM Total madness and whoever awarded her that sum should be made to pay half themself. After that the same person should be taken out and shot :-) Did you appear on the "One Show" on TV a couple of weeks ago? I'm his protégé despite the fact I don't like him very much :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Lord Braykewynde - 2011-12-16 5:26 PM Total madness and whoever awarded her that sum should be made to pay half themself. After that the same person should be taken out and shot :-) ....... er the people who bullied her out of a job are presumably still on a six figure salary and public sector pension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Peter James - 2011-12-16 9:19 PM Lord Braykewynde - 2011-12-16 5:26 PM Total madness and whoever awarded her that sum should be made to pay half themself. After that the same person should be taken out and shot :-) ....... er the people who bullied her out of a job are presumably still on a six figure salary and public sector pension? It seems that the ones who bullied her were her own colleagues, other doctors. How much they get I, nor any other on here, can say but Peter in his post above made the point, it will be the taxpayer who is paying and those who now have to wait for a replacement hip who are suffering. The figure of over £4 million is immoral. I wonder how much a ward cleaner would have been awarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 .....I note the Telegraph says.... It ......... (the award)..............ranks alongside “out-of-court” settlements given to City workers. So maybe at last the Public Sector is beginning to approach the "reward" level of the Private Sector. ;-) (though, of course, given the level of taxpayer funding, maybe a large proportion of the City could now more correctly be considered to be in the Public Sector). On a more serious note, the main antagonist appears to be described as "the former Medical Director", so maybe some action has already been taken there. If, however, this tribunal points the finger of suspicion at other personnel, then one would hope that (though one is inclined to lapse into cynicism), that any action properly taken against such suspects could hardly lead to them taking the organisation to a further tribunal. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Robinhood - 2011-12-16 10:52 PM .....I note the Telegraph says.... It ......... (the award)..............ranks alongside “out-of-court” settlements given to City workers. So maybe at last the Public Sector is beginning to approach the "reward" level of the Private Sector. ;-) (though, of course, given the level of taxpayer funding, maybe a large proportion of the City could now more correctly be considered to be in the Public Sector). So we now have the "City" private sector and the public sector......................and the rest of the UK *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Robinhood - 2011-12-16 10:52 PM On a more serious note, the main antagonist appears to be described as "the former Medical Director", so maybe some action has already been taken there. Yep ;-)...........................He's probably wandering around europe in his expensive motorhome, having had a golden goodbye >:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 pelmetman - 2011-12-16 11:16 PM Robinhood - 2011-12-16 10:52 PM On a more serious note, the main antagonist appears to be described as "the former Medical Director", so maybe some action has already been taken there. Yep ;-)...........................He's probably wandering around europe in his expensive motorhome, having had a golden goodbye >:-( Curses! Rumbled! >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 pelmetman - 2011-12-16 11:16 PM Robinhood - 2011-12-16 10:52 PM On a more serious note, the main antagonist appears to be described as "the former Medical Director", so maybe some action has already been taken there. Yep ;-)...........................He's probably wandering around europe in his expensive motorhome, having had a golden goodbye >:-( .......eating up the years abroad until he qualifies for his Winter Fuel Payment? ;-) ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Lord Braykewynde - 2011-12-16 10:48 PM Peter James - 2011-12-16 9:19 PM Lord Braykewynde - 2011-12-16 5:26 PM Total madness and whoever awarded her that sum should be made to pay half themself. After that the same person should be taken out and shot :-) ....... er the people who bullied her out of a job are presumably still on a six figure salary and public sector pension? It seems that the ones who bullied her were her own colleagues, other doctors. How much they get I, nor any other on here, can say but Peter in his post above made the point, it will be the taxpayer who is paying and those who now have to wait for a replacement hip who are suffering. The figure of over £4 million is immoral. I wonder how much a ward cleaner would have been awarded? Totally agree its wrong the taxpayer should have to pay for this. But your original post was directed soley at the judge who gave her the award. Not the people who caused the problem in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopesy Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I won't pass comment on the 4.5 million it's beyond belief, but according to the tribunal they've never dealt with such such an extreme case of constuctive dismissal. Even describing one party as a self confessed liar. Apparently she's now suffering from a mental health condition. I had a family member go through a similar process but nowhere near this scale, I didn't believe in stressand it's physical and mental effects until they had gone through it, now i believe. There are some reallly nasty people in the work place! >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Hopesy - 2011-12-17 9:58 AM Apparently she's now suffering from a mental health condition. I bet her health has vastly improved now ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Peter James - 2011-12-17 9:14 AM Lord Braykewynde - 2011-12-16 10:48 PM Peter James - 2011-12-16 9:19 PM Lord Braykewynde - 2011-12-16 5:26 PM Total madness and whoever awarded her that sum should be made to pay half themself. After that the same person should be taken out and shot :-) ....... er the people who bullied her out of a job are presumably still on a six figure salary and public sector pension? It seems that the ones who bullied her were her own colleagues, other doctors. How much they get I, nor any other on here, can say but Peter in his post above made the point, it will be the taxpayer who is paying and those who now have to wait for a replacement hip who are suffering. The figure of over £4 million is immoral. I wonder how much a ward cleaner would have been awarded? Totally agree its wrong the taxpayer should have to pay for this. But your original post was directed soley at the judge who gave her the award. Not the people who caused the problem in the first place. My original post was tongue in cheek followed by the smiley and BGDs response and my response in return. Now I know how Clarkson felt by being taken seriously due to those who look for the worse in people and hope to bring them down to their own politically correct level ;-) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syd Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Bullying in the workplace. I believe there are proper procedures laid down for the person who is being bullied to follow when making a complaint before things reach this level. Did the doctor follow these procedures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Syd - 2011-12-17 10:33 AM Bullying in the workplace. I believe there are proper procedures laid down for the person who is being bullied to follow when making a complaint before things reach this level. Did the doctor follow these procedures. Its difficult to follow the procedures when the people doing the bullying are the ones you would normally go to to follow "procedures", at least that's my take on it. Having been on the receiving end of workplace abuse in the past and experienced management whose response was to demote and move me instead of dealing with the abusers (plural) all I can say is "procedures" aren't always as good as they should be. D. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Firstly I would like to say that if you have never been in the position that this person has, even on a much less scale, you will find it very difficult to comprehend how totally debilitating the effect of this can be. It is bad enough if it is for a short length of time, but it appears to have gone on for years in her case, and been a 'mass onslaught' against her. I seriously doubt she will ever be able to get on with having what would previously have been a 'normal' life. Having been on the receiving end of this sort of thing I can fully understand how horrible it is - just having meetings with people who really and genuinely want to sort it out can be extremely distressing as you have to re-live what's been happening and if it isn't resolved quickly the effect of it all intensifies as time goes on. The award takes into account what she would realistically have been able to earn had she not had this happen to her, including her pension contributions, and so as not to diminish the aware, the tax burden of £2.1m was also part of the award, so in reality she has been awarded £2.4m, not £4.5m. It will also take into account the level of distress and effect it has had on not only here, but her family's circumstances - her husband had to leave his job to care for her - not what he expected to have to do either. As far as I'm aware, this would be covered by the NHS Trust's liability etc insurance so should not affect the services provided or staffing levels at all - their premiums may go up, but nothing like the amount which would come close to affecting the hospital. As for procedures etc - yes they exist, but in my experience it is rare for them to be used, even in major cases of bullying and harrassment - usually the person on the receiving end of the bullying etc will have suffered for a long, long time before getting to the point where either they have no choice but to insist on it being taken seriously, or are no longer able to do their job due to it and it is then brought to a head. Even then, it often is dismissed by supervisors etc and dragged out in the hope that it can be swept under the carpet. Believe me, going down this road is no easy task at all and remember that this is at a time when you are at your lowest. Thankfully, when I leave work shortly, hopefully I won't ever have to suffer this sort of 'abuse' ever again. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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