postnote Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I hope the February Motorhome Caravan & Camping Show at London’s premiere exhibition venue, ExCeL London is a resounding failure. Before you all start attacking me read on. When the shows were at the NEC it was central to everyone as practible as possible. Whether from the North, West, South or East Anglia it was only 3-4 hours away. We recently spoke to friends, yes I do have some, from the North if they were going to show at the ExCeL and they said no as it was now too far away. I wonder how many others will say the same thing. Have you ever tried getting to the ExCeL through the London traffic, I have so good luck. The NEC was simple and quick to access. Maybe next year more thought will be placed to a venue where everyone can access. Boycott this show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mrs Batty Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 The other consideration is the London exhaust charges. I am not sure of the details of when these come in but have read some details about larger diesel engine vehicles (by larger anything over a dinky toy) that will either have to pay £100 or more per day or stop on the M25 and have their engine changed ! Both options are not overly attractive and would put us off going anywhere near that there London place. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 We too wouldn't dream of going to London either. Not because of the LEZ, but it's just the logistics of it all and we don't need all that hassle. Then again we wouldn't go to motorhome shows at that time of year wherever they were, too damn cold for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Where's Boycott? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Wikipedia, here:- :D You did ask The word boycott entered the English language during the Irish "Land War" and is derived from the name of Captain Charles Boycott, the land agent of an absentee landlord, Lord Erne, who lived in Lough Mask House, in County Mayo, Ireland, who was subject to social ostracism organized by the Irish Land League in 1880. As harvests had been poor that year, Lord Erne offered his tenants a ten percent reduction in their rents. In September of that year, protesting tenants demanded a twenty five percent reduction, which Lord Erne refused. Boycott then attempted to evict eleven tenants from the land. Charles Stewart Parnell, in a speech in Ennis prior to the events in Lough Mask, proposed that when dealing with tenants who take farms where another tenant was evicted, rather than resorting to violence, everyone in the locality should shun them. While Parnell's speech did not refer to land agents or landlords, the tactic was first applied to Boycott when the alarm was raised about the evictions. Despite the short-term economic hardship to those undertaking this action, Boycott soon found himself isolated — his workers stopped work in the fields and stables, as well as in his house. Local businessmen stopped trading with him, and the local postman refused to deliver mail.[1] The concerted action taken against him meant that Boycott was unable to hire anyone to harvest the crops in his charge. Eventually 50 Orangemen from Cavan and Monaghan volunteered to do the work. They were escorted to and from Claremorris by one thousand policemen and soldiers, despite the fact that the local Land League leaders had said that there would be no violence from them, and in fact no violence materialized.[2] This protection ended up costing far more than the harvest was worth. After the harvest, the "boycott" was successfully continued. Within weeks Boycott's name was everywhere. It was used by The Times in November 1880 as a term for organized isolation. According to an account in the book “The Fall of Feudalism in Ireland” by Michael Davitt, the term was promoted by Fr. John O'Malley of County Mayo to "signify ostracism applied to a landlord or agent like Boycott". The Times first reported on November 20, 1880: “The people of New Pallas have resolved to 'boycott' them and refused to supply them with food or drink.” The Daily News wrote on December 13, 1880: “Already the stoutest-hearted are yielding on every side to the dread of being 'Boycotted'.” By January of the following year, the word was being used figuratively: "Dame Nature arose.... She 'Boycotted' London from Kew to Mile End" (The Spectator, January 22, 1881). Girlcott is a neologism that combines "girl" and "boycott" to focus on strictly female boycotts. The term was coined in 1968 by American track star Lacey O'Neal during the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City, in the context of protests by male African American athletes. Speaking for black women athletes, she advised that the group would not "girlcott" the Olympic Games, because female athletes were still focused on being recognized. It also appeared in Time magazine in 1970, and was later used by retired tennis player Billie Jean King in reference to Wimbledon, to emphasize her argument regarding equal play for women players. The term girlcott was revived in 2005 by a group of young women in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania protesting what they deemed sexist and degrading T-shirt slogans on Abercrombie & Fitch merchandise.[3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leake Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Not all this rubbish again. One show in the Midlands and one for us Southerners in the South seems only fair to me. We live in Kent. Will we be going. You bet we are. Did we go to the October NEC show. No to far for us. Only practical if we stayed for two nights. This show is being organised by the same people who organised the NEC one in October. Given they are effectively the industry and know what they are doing they seem to think using the two locations is best. I can understand why many people will prefer to go to the NEC but that being the case you can go to the October show so why would you want to go to two shows and why do you expect both shows to be held at a location of your preference at the expense of us Southerners? No chance given the number of us that live in the South there is no doubt the show will be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 We only go to outdoor shows and unless we are looking to change vans or need some bits only then in the warmer months when being outdoors is a joy - and we never book so that we can choose to go if we fancy a weekend trip and the weather looks set fair so we can sit out and natter with friends old and new - after all this motor caravan malarky is supposed be for relaxation and pleasure - isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 pelmetman - 2011-12-18 3:36 PM Where's Boycott? :D Cricketer, wasn't he Dave? Came from the Northern wastes somewhere, if I remember. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 peter - 2011-12-18 3:41 PM Wikipedia, here:- :D You did ask The word boycott entered the English language during the Irish "Land War" and is derived from the name of Captain Charles Boycott, the land agent of an absentee landlord, Lord Erne, who lived in Lough Mask House, in County Mayo, Ireland, who was subject to social ostracism organized by the Irish Land League in 1880. As harvests had been poor that year, Lord Erne offered his tenants a ten percent reduction in their rents. In September of that year, protesting tenants demanded a twenty five percent reduction, which Lord Erne refused. Boycott then attempted to evict eleven tenants from the land. Charles Stewart Parnell, in a speech in Ennis prior to the events in Lough Mask, proposed that when dealing with tenants who take farms where another tenant was evicted, rather than resorting to violence, everyone in the locality should shun them. While Parnell's speech did not refer to land agents or landlords, the tactic was first applied to Boycott when the alarm was raised about the evictions. Despite the short-term economic hardship to those undertaking this action, Boycott soon found himself isolated — his workers stopped work in the fields and stables, as well as in his house. Local businessmen stopped trading with him, and the local postman refused to deliver mail.[1] The concerted action taken against him meant that Boycott was unable to hire anyone to harvest the crops in his charge. Eventually 50 Orangemen from Cavan and Monaghan volunteered to do the work. They were escorted to and from Claremorris by one thousand policemen and soldiers, despite the fact that the local Land League leaders had said that there would be no violence from them, and in fact no violence materialized.[2] This protection ended up costing far more than the harvest was worth. After the harvest, the "boycott" was successfully continued. Within weeks Boycott's name was everywhere. It was used by The Times in November 1880 as a term for organized isolation. According to an account in the book “The Fall of Feudalism in Ireland” by Michael Davitt, the term was promoted by Fr. John O'Malley of County Mayo to "signify ostracism applied to a landlord or agent like Boycott". The Times first reported on November 20, 1880: “The people of New Pallas have resolved to 'boycott' them and refused to supply them with food or drink.” The Daily News wrote on December 13, 1880: “Already the stoutest-hearted are yielding on every side to the dread of being 'Boycotted'.” By January of the following year, the word was being used figuratively: "Dame Nature arose.... She 'Boycotted' London from Kew to Mile End" (The Spectator, January 22, 1881). Girlcott is a neologism that combines "girl" and "boycott" to focus on strictly female boycotts. The term was coined in 1968 by American track star Lacey O'Neal during the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City, in the context of protests by male African American athletes. Speaking for black women athletes, she advised that the group would not "girlcott" the Olympic Games, because female athletes were still focused on being recognized. It also appeared in Time magazine in 1970, and was later used by retired tennis player Billie Jean King in reference to Wimbledon, to emphasize her argument regarding equal play for women players. The term girlcott was revived in 2005 by a group of young women in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania protesting what they deemed sexist and degrading T-shirt slogans on Abercrombie & Fitch merchandise.[3 Thanks for that Peter ;-)....................The wonders of the tinternet :D....................I am truly amazed at the web 8-), we've had a computer with web access since 98 and a website since 99, but its only in the last couple of years with the new business I've actually got to grips with surfing :D.................I'm learning something new everyday :-D.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Brian Kirby - 2011-12-18 5:01 PM pelmetman - 2011-12-18 3:36 PM Where's Boycott? :D Cricketer, wasn't he Dave? Came from the Northern wastes somewhere, if I remember. :-D Cricket?.............Whats that Brian...............You've got me stumped :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Brian Kirby - 2011-12-18 5:01 PM pelmetman - 2011-12-18 3:36 PM Where's Boycott? :D Cricketer, wasn't he Dave? Came from the Northern wastes somewhere, if I remember. :-D Oi, Kirby, mind thi gob about Sir Geoff. ......and tha knows nowt about t'North. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Brian Kirby - 2011-12-18 5:01 PM pelmetman - 2011-12-18 3:36 PM Where's Boycott? :D Cricketer, wasn't he Dave? Came from the Northern wastes somewhere, if I remember. :-D Oi, Kirby, mind thi gob about Sir Geoff. ......and tha knows nowt about t'North. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postnote Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 At last someone saw sense this year. Too many restrictions that the organisers turned a blind eye too. The show needs to be somewhere in the middle of the country for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 pelmetman - 2011-12-18 3:36 PM Where's Boycott? :D (lol) (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Although this is not a show I would go to anyway - I do agree 100% with the premiss of Boycotting (and Girlcotting!) the show if it is in London. The LEZ and the Congestion charge are taxes that destroy the infrastructure of the areas within it. Companies now take these taxes into account when locating. Those that cannot move are stuck with it - but we are already seeing new business going elsewhere. That said - I could go in my LPG dual duel discovery without any charge at all. If I took my friends 12 seater LPG 110 which he has registered as a PSV we could use the bus lanes as well. Even more locally to us - the City of Salisbury has ridiculous parking charges so we virtually never go their now. Why should we pay nearly £5 to park when that same council that charges that has approved a couple of excellent out of town retail sites that offer free parking. So Salisbury centre, to us, is like a ghost town compared to what it was some years ago. And when we do go in there - the charity shops seem to be the only growing sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 CliveH - 2012-10-05 9:52 AM Even more locally to us - the City of Salisbury has ridiculous parking charges so we virtually never go their now. Why should we pay nearly £5 to park when that same council that charges that has approved a couple of excellent out of town retail sites that offer free parking. So Salisbury centre, to us, is like a ghost town compared to what it was some years ago. And when we do go in there - the charity shops seem to be the only growing sector. Same where I live Clive, council put up all the parking charges so people stopped shopping in town. shopkeepers played up merry hell so after many consultations and meetings the council reversed their decision's (after about 18 months) Shoppers started to come back then the local elections put Labour in, yes parking fees up again at the first opportunity and shoppers are going back out of town, more shops up for sale now.......They don't get it do they? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakaleg Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Don't ask me where I read it, but the excel show has been cancled, something to do with no where to park the exhibitors motorhomes/caravans?. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 breakaleg - 2012-10-06 3:34 PM Don't ask me where I read it, but the excel show has been cancled, something to do with no where to park the exhibitors motorhomes/caravans?. Pete That's true, it has been cancelled. A report in a motorhome mag says it's due to: no camping facilities available, many dealers and many manufacturers had to spend a fortune on fees for bringing non-compliant vehicles into the low emission zone. ( £200 per day per vehicle ) Plus a shortage of storage space for exhibitors. With those kind of ' built in ' problems it seems unlikely that the show will return there. It just surprises me that the manufacturers / dealers were not aware of those problems before they went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 malc d - 2012-10-06 5:17 PM A report in a motorhome mag says it's due to: no camping facilities available, many dealers and many manufacturers had to spend a fortune on fees for bringing non-compliant vehicles into the low emission zone. ( £200 per day per vehicle ) LEZ............another good reason to avoid the place ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Hi So, Until recent I had a VERY bad American R-v which would have cost £200per day to bring into "our great capital". (which in fact SHOULD itself be moved to somewhere more accessible anyway) Circumstances dictated that I must divest myself of said sadly missed R-V. So I now have a very (much more eco /user) Friendly Car / Caravan combination. However as a matter of Principle I will not visit the "stinking paradise", So London's Loss will be someone else`s gain. I may however come down to the NEC next year just for a jolly. and to visit with friends who live not that far away. We shall see. Do the "clubs" still propose to have "camping" on the car parks again?. AND beware all those who dare to question OUR Mr Boycott. Sir Geoff is not above "telling it like it is"!!!! si thee!! Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 PeteH - 2012-10-06 9:15 PM AND beware all those who dare to question OUR Mr Boycott. Sir Geoff is not above "telling it like it is"!!!! si thee!! Pete Yes and very handy with his fists, does like to beat up the women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith T Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Yes, I noticed that Excel 2013 has been cancelled. However, for those of us who live in the South, it is a very long way to Birmingham, and despite the very valid points raised by - what I assume anwyay - those of you who live north of Watford, there is a very large population in the south, and for many years the Earls Court show was the one to attend - and hthe only way to get there in reality was by underground or bus! It may welll be that Excel could not provide adequate camping/carvaanning facilcities, by we would never stay on the temporary site at NEC, always preferring to stay at Chapel Lane CC site, and drive round to NEC for the show.Fortunately, being retired we had the option of doing this as part of a more generalholiday within the UK. Last year we did go to Excel - by train - and this was not only very accessible,either by road or rail, but was a good show - though I gather that either the exhibitors ororganisers didnt agree. Surely though there are more than enough shows around the country now, and the 'main' indoor ones possibly don't have the atrraction they did some years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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