corkbuoy Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I've been looking for a GPS which also will double as a reversing camera monitor. Saw this in the german ADAC motoring magazine - http://www.pearl.de/a-PX8730-5482.shtml It has a 5" screen and uses Navteq maps which are used by Garmin. Has anyone any information on these ? Thanks corkbuoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 corkbuoy - 2011-12-20 12:02 AM I've been looking for a GPS which also will double as a reversing camera monitor. Saw this in the german ADAC motoring magazine - http://www.pearl.de/a-PX8730-5482.shtml It has a 5" screen and uses Navteq maps which are used by Garmin. Has anyone any information on these ? Thanks corkbuoy looks a handy piece of kit that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 If you GOOGLE using "sat nav reversing camera" as the search string, you'll find plenty of options, with complete systems being advertised on e-bay for less than £80. Historically, NavGear-branded sat-navs have had mixed reviews and no longer seem to be marketed retail in the UK. On that basis, you might want to ask yourself what come back you'd have if you purchased the NavGear product you've referred to and there's a problem with it after installation, and what level of technical support is available. (Can't say that a sat-nav with a camera capability has much attraction for me, as I want to be able to use a rear-view camera continuously while driving, not just during reversing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Inclined to agree with Derek. The GPS will, I assume, be used more than the reversing camera - as least, it should be if it works properly! :-) I believe it is still true that there are just two market leaders, Garmin and TomTom. They are in that position because their devices generally work better than the others. So, if it is sat nav you want, I'd start with one of the best, and not compromise it to favour a reversing camera. There are really only two providers of electronic mapping, NavTeq and TeleAtlas. However, what is more important than the mapping, is how up to date it is, whether you can update it, whether you can easily add your own points of interest, and how well the device actually plans routes using the maps. These are the issues where the quality shows. Also consider, if you want a reversing camera you can get ones that will take an input from a sat-nav, and that is likely to get you a better screen. However, sat-navs change all the time, and several posters have expressed the view that it is better to buy new every two years, than to pay extra for map updates, because that way you also benefit from the latest navigational algorithms. So, looking for a sat nav that can take alternative inputs every two years may prove something of a fag. Final thought. It seems there is no standardisation as to which wire triggers what response between CCTV cameras and monitors. So, to be sure you get the necessary, reversed image, view on the monitor, you will almost certainly have to buy both camera and monitor of identical make. Otherwise, you may get lucky, but you may find none of the adjustments work, or that you simply get no image at all. So, appealing as the idea may be, I'd get the best sat nav for my needs, and pair it with a stand-alone reversing camera system that is also the best for my needs, and forget trying to persuade the one to double as the other. But then, I hate headaches! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corkbuoy Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 Thanks for your replies. I think based on what you say I will stick with the popular makes of GPS and get a seperate reversing system. Just thought that it might be tidier to have the one monitor but maybe making problems for the future by doing so. regards corkbuoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliB Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Satnav sales are in decline. The number of free apps for Smartphones is the main reason for this decline. There has been several articles in the press, here is one. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/01/tomtom_releases_ipad_app/ Monitors with an in-built processor should become more affordable next year. They usually have bluetooth or the capability to run navigation software from an SD card. They also have an AV input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyhb Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Smartphones are no substitute for a sat nav when they work they work well but only if you have a good 3G signal which usually means only in towns. The maps are updated & redrawn online they are not stored in the smartphone like they are in a sat nav. Roaming data costs rules out using them abroad. Screen size is limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 lennyhb - 2011-12-21 5:01 PM Smartphones are no substitute for a sat nav when they work they work well but only if you have a good 3G signal which usually means only in towns. The maps are updated & redrawn online they are not stored in the smartphone like they are in a sat nav. Roaming data costs rules out using them abroad. Screen size is limited. My Nokia has 'nokia maps' this is stored on the phone, the AGPS can be switched off so no data charges apply. What you are discribing is google maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyhb Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 colin - 2011-12-21 9:41 PM lennyhb - 2011-12-21 5:01 PM Smartphones are no substitute for a sat nav when they work they work well but only if you have a good 3G signal which usually means only in towns. The maps are updated & redrawn online they are not stored in the smartphone like they are in a sat nav. Roaming data costs rules out using them abroad. Screen size is limited. My Nokia has 'nokia maps' this is stored on the phone, the AGPS can be switched off so no data charges apply. What you are discribing is google maps Yep Google maps or gvSIG which the majority of smartphones use. I assume that Nokia maps will only work with Nokia's own operating system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtree Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I got a good deal on German fleabay with a Camos sat nav and reversing camera for £300,a company in Britain want £525 just for the sat nav.If you want just a reversing camera system there is a guy selling this Waeco system,item no. 190617576651.Great saving for a top notch system,I would have bought it but didn't want 2 screens on my dash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francisgraham Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 lennyhb - 2011-12-21 5:01 PMSmartphones are no substitute for a sat nav when they work they work well but only if you have a good 3G signal which usually means only in towns. The maps are updated & redrawn online they are not stored in the smartphone like they are in a sat nav.Roaming data costs rules out using them abroad.Screen size is limited. You're a bit behind the times I'm afraid. There are many sat nav applications available for smartphones that do not need data transmission. Co-Pilot, which I use, has the maps stored on the device and only needs GPS to operate just as well as a normal sat nav. In fact it is the finest sat nav that I've ever owned and far superior to my last Tom Tom. You are probably thinking of the Google Navigation application, which does not store maps on the device and has to download them to calculate the route. It will also download data if it has to recalculate and, as you say, in Europe, the costs would be prohibitive. When in mainland Europe I switch off data transmission and Co-Pilot works superbly without any GPS. Its map range is excellent and covers some very out of the way countries such as Albania! As for screen size, some later models have screens that are larger than many conventional sat navs, my Samsung Galaxy SII being one of them and it seems brighter and sharper than my last sat nav. So the message is, if you have a modern smartphone and need a new sat nav, look carefully at what's on offer. I paid under £40 for Co-Pilot, which is a lot less than a similar sized sat nav with full European mapping. Here's the Android version (other systems are available): http://copilotlive.com/uk/personal/android.asp This is the map coverage: http://copilotlive.com/uk/mapcoverage.asp?expanddiv=s1-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Francis, I guess the perennial question with any GPS is can you easily add POIs? If so, for those with smartphones, the price seems very competitive. However, when/how do the maps get updated? Is the £40 an annual subscription, or a one-off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francisgraham Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Brian Kirby - 2011-12-28 12:41 PMFrancis, I guess the perennial question with any GPS is can you easily add POIs? If so, for those with smartphones, the price seems very competitive. However, when/how do the maps get updated?Is the £40 an annual subscription, or a one-off? Adding POIs is as easy as with any normal sat nav and it will accept the same files as Tom Tom. I recently added the wild camping POIs from the forum of the same name. The purchase price is a one-off, there are no annual charges and so far, all updates for Android, which is the only one I've experience of, have been free from Android market. As smartphones improve even more, this is going to be a massive business and CoPilot is one of the leading players, so I have no worries about future updates, even if eventually, they charge for them, as most others do anyway. It does come with the usual long list POIs of course, fuel, restaurants, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyhb Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Must admit to overlooking Co-Pilot, but I would rather use the 5" screen on my Garmin than the 3.2" on my Galaxy. I agree it does give a cheap option if you don't want to shell out for a separate sat nav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francisgraham Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 lennyhb - 2011-12-28 3:25 PMMust admit to overlooking Co-Pilot, but I would rather use the 5" screen on my Garmin than the 3.2" on my Galaxy. I agree it does give a cheap option if you don't want to shell out for a separate sat nav. Actually, you overlooked more than Copilot, there are several applications that are similar in that they only need GPS. As for size, you must have an old model. Mine is 4.3" wide, which isn't a lot different from yours and is bigger than many stand-alone satnavs. And this is the trend with new models, larger screens but thin enough to be very pocketable. And it's not just about money, it's also about convenience. I use my smartphone as a walking satnav in cities and, at less than 9mm thick, it's far better than having to carry an extra device in my pocket in the shape of a bulkier conventional satnav. There was a time when I carried a mobile phone and a separate PDA but no one would consider that these days, as they are now all in one. The same thing is going to happen with smartphones and satnav. A smartphone such as my Samsung has a better screen and more computing power than any conventional satnav, so why shouldn't it also double up as a navigation device? TomTom is getting worried about this trend and is taking steps to enter the smartphone market and is already selling apps for the iPhone. http://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/products/mobile-navigation/ http://www.maproomblog.com/2011/01/tomtom_on_smartphones_and_standalone_gps_devices_redux.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granddad Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 hi look on ebay reversing camera kit 47q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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