nightrider Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 News is breaking that the killer of the Indian student in Salford on boxing day has been charged, local Salford facebook groups are saying that a local Ordsall scumbag is in the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 If found guilty the family of the murdered Indian student should say what should happen to him :-) To be honest, if the reports are true, it turns my stomach. Any person who can put a gun to a persons head and pull the trigger deserves to die. No excuses from the bleeding hearts, he should die. It makes you feel ashamed of your own country and until those in power take control of the streets with tougher sentencing it's only going to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 Curious as to what sentence he gets if found guilty 20, 25 years? he will still be comparatively young, no doubt he will be institutionalised and wont be able to fit into mainstream society and will therefore still be a drain on society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordThornber Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 It's shocking that a 20 year old is walking round with a gun. A loaded killing machine. What on earth has it come to? What a dreadful waste of a life. Martyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Terrible waste of a life agreed. The equally terrible thing to me is that the killer will get "Life" and be out in a decade or two. And the cost of that to all of us is about £41,000 a year. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8640399.stm So if he is out in 15 years that is a cost to the taxpayers in todays terms of £615,000. Crude I know to equate the result of the killing of an innocent man to "cost" and I apologise. But the above cost does not take into account the opportunity cost of the dead persons contribution to society, which from what I have read, the individual killed in the senseless act would have made an incredible positive contribution that would have made is family and country proud of him. And we as a country should look at the individual that killed him and ask ourselves some serious questions - not least because the riots last August kicked of because the Police were trying to deal with another thug with a gun. Can we afford on any level, on any parameter, the cost to us all of allowing thugs to have guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordThornber Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 No matter what the circumstances, be the killer be pumped full of illegal (or legal) substances, an out & out racist, had endured a challenging childhood, mild to moderate mental health issues, or maybe a mainstream hard working individual - I think you get my drift, it really is staggering that a geezer is out and about on the town, having a laugh, maybe a beer and a bite to eat and next thing you know it's game over. Dead. Let us imagine someone we know, a 23 year old relative, neighbour, colleague or friend and they have their life taken from them in the same senseless circumstances. It's mind boggling. Martyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I'm not surprised that thugs wander our streets with guns........The chickens are coming home to roost....... after a decade and more of breeding for benefits.....and the police hamstrung by a PC judicary who care more for thugs than the victims........No I'm not surprised *-) It will get worse until the looney PC lefties that run our country are removed.......and I dont mean just the Politicians, the Judicary as well. Build more prisons and lock the thugs up for longer......It will save us a fotune and make the UK a nicer place to live ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 pelmetman - 2012-01-02 12:58 PM It will get worse until the looney PC lefties that run our country are removed Just be thankful that two or three off this forum have no say in how the country should be run or offenders dealt with. I am :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postnote Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 What is worse is that he be found guilty he will serve a handful of years then be out free. Remember Tracey Andrews a former model and barmaid, stabbed Harvey over 42 times in his car after they had stopped following an argument on the way to their flat in The Becks, Alvechurch, Worcester. Andrews claimed that Harvey was killed in a road-rage attack. Andrews was convicted in the Birmingham Crown Court on 29 July 1997, and was sentenced to life imprisonment[1], with a recommendation that she serve at least 14 years... 11 years later she is released after a submandibular osteotomy operation to correct a class III occlusion. Specifically, this corrected her bottom jaw from protruding over her top jaw. The fact that the operation was paid for by the NHS was the cause of some controversy. Thank goodness having been refused official anonymity, she has started a new life under the name Tia Carter. Remember the name TIA CARTER. Don't let me read of anyone writing in her defence, think of Lee Harvey's family who have to live with that fact that his murderer is now living free and enjoying life.... >:-( >:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 There has been a massive turn out of people in Salford tonight paying their last respects to the student murdered on boxing day, the Ordsall area of Salford may be a deprived area but there are a lot of decent folk who live there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave225 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Without in any way trying to not acknowledge the crime may I suggest that just possibly the poor guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That does not excuse what happened but it is possible that anyone. regardless of race, could have been the victim of the psychopath who did this. The fact he discovered an Asian probably made iot all the more fun for him, but he could juts have easily shot a white person. Let us not get carried away with too much resort to a 'race crime'. In my mind a crime is a crime regardless of who does it, or to whom and the penalties should be the same. There have been a goodly number of murders in the last few months, many of them with no apparent motive and again families have to suffer the consequences. I would not like this to be turned in to a media circus, which has happened in the past and had consequences that were not desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 And the family had to learn about it on F book how sad . I hope the Police get a rught roasting for it they should of known better with Fv and twitter these days the public publish their own news , God bless that man and his family and they sent him to England because they thiught it was the safest . Worlds gone mad :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 michele - 2012-01-02 11:56 PM And the family had to learn about it on F book how sad . I hope the Police get a rught roasting for it they should of known better with Fv and twitter these days the public publish their own news , God bless that man and his family and they sent him to England because they thiught it was the safest . Worlds gone mad :'( I think it's a bit unfair to ' roast ' the police for not being faster than Facebook. I would have thought that their priority at the time was to catch the killer. If the police now have to put beating Facebook before investigating a crime, the world has indeed gone mad. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 No fault can be laid at the police's door in this instance, they have to go through the correct proceedure when informing someone of a family members death, and particularly when the family live so far away. You cannot beat the speed of the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 malc d - 2012-01-03 9:28 AM I think it's a bit unfair to ' roast ' the police for not being faster than Facebook. I would have thought that their priority at the time was to catch the killer. If the police now have to put beating Facebook before investigating a crime, the world has indeed gone mad. :-( I agree that it was bad for them to read about his death on FaceBook but the points of the post above must take precedence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postnote Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Lord Braykewynde - 2012-01-03 11:18 AM malc d - 2012-01-03 9:28 AM I think it's a bit unfair to ' roast ' the police for not being faster than Facebook. I would have thought that their priority at the time was to catch the killer. If the police now have to put beating Facebook before investigating a crime, the world has indeed gone mad. :-( I agree that it was bad for them to read about his death on FaceBook but the points of the post above must take precedence.Face book causes more problems than it does help.. Ban the thing >:-( >:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 postnote - 2012-01-03 11:45 AM Face book causes more problems than it does help.. Ban the thing >:-( >:-( It's certainly got a lot to answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donna miller Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 postnote - 2012-01-03 11:45 AM Face book causes more problems than it does help.. Ban the thing >:-( >:-( Facebook is merely a method of social communication, just like the telephone is and writing letters, Oh and even this forum, should this be banned as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Owner Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Hear, hear, Donna, It's quite simple really, isn't it? "DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER" (!) Cheers, Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Symbol Owner - 2012-01-03 3:56 PM Hear, hear, Donna, It's quite simple really, isn't it? DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER (!) Cheers, Colin. ..Ooow..Colin.!?...I know it was probably unintentional but probably not the best choice of words,considering the thread topic... :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Owner Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 OOOPS !!! :$ But the truth still is, Pepe "The medium is(NOT) the message" despite what Marshal Mcluhan said in the sixties, or, only rarely at least, as in the case of 'Wickileaks'. The means of sending the propaganda,advertising,rant,or political message is not the trouble (despite what the Chinese might think) it's back, once again to the sender, not the (electronic) messenger. Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Oh yes..I agree wholeheartedly... ;-) ..and I hope we never reach the stage where the police/authorities have the powers and ability to just shut down any form of mass communication,without proper and full consideration from the courts etc... Sorry..gone off topic a bit... :$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Also a bit 'off-topic' but it was interesting to see that at the end of the Stephen Lawrence trial today everyone said that " justice has been done ". But they won't be sentenced until tomorrow - so we will have to wait and see. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 malc d - 2012-01-03 4:49 PM Also a bit 'off-topic' but it was interesting to see that at the end of the Stephen Lawrence trial today everyone said that " justice has been done ". But they won't be sentenced until tomorrow - so we will have to wait and see. :-( Yes..I suppose at least the family can get *some* peace now... :-S (..although,to be honest,it wouldn't have suprised me if judgement had've gone the other way...what with all the talk of possible cross contamination etc...)..isn't there 2 or 3 others,still out and about,that may yet still get their collars felt..? ...If you dwell on it too much,it can be frightening to think there is that degree of just senseless,outright hatred about... 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 He had a Mobile phone Malc , gods sake they should of thought it might leak idiots ...sorry but they are . :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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