plumbersvan Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 :-S Im thinking about changing my electrolux fridge for Domestic Ive looked at several suppliers the campingcar shops are asking 945e for a Domestic RM4211 LM another site,not a campingvan shop lists a Domestic RF60 for just 340e Both are the same size both have freezers one has a wook look door the less costly silver grey of black 8-) The more economically sustainable model (340e) is environmentally friendly has a green sticker Can i safly consider the less costly on?Or dose environmentally friendly mean it simply wont work :-| Life can be so complicated,at the moment my van is plugged in to a 220v power supply.when i move i change to 12v :-| *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Er, I'm a bit confused here, Do you mean 'Domestic' as in a Compressor type House fridge ? OR a 'Dometic' 3 way fridge (Dometic is the 'new' name for Electrolux). There IS an alterative as Thetford make 3 way fridges as well. Ray (?) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=&item=130544938637 This one looks cheaper. Just looked at the RF60 (Waeco) and it states 'Not to be permanently installed' don't understand why ? as it is 3 way, same as the RM4211, perhaps it doesn't have a flame failure device ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbersvan Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 For my camping van,when my heater is running cooking done 24c inside 1c outside fridge required I did leave milk a fish & a slice of bavas meat on the roof over night.Next morning gone (?) Im again in France on my winter visiting travels i hadn't released just how rusty my fridge was I will or hope to find my new fridge or burner hear in France :-S I speak French but not spanish Mostly French prices correspond to UK prices.I hope Your saying the less costly fridge is not fit for the purpose :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 plumbersvan - 2012-01-02 8:28 PM Your saying the less costly fridge is not fit for the purpose :-( Not saying that, i agree that the (Waeco) fridge is far cheaper, AND it IS a 3 way, Waeco are usually 12v compressor types only, which might be ok for you ? if you have good batteries. And i don't know why they say 'Not for permanent installation' ?? could be a 'marketing thing' ?? don't know. RF60 Fridge must be kept upright when travelling RF 60 portable upright fridge units must NOT be used in caravans, motor vehicles or boats ideally to be used in an awning. Taken from sales 'bumpf' must be to do with gas exhaust, and or flame failure. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbersvan Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 There both Domestic :-S Indeed wacco do a compressor fridge for about 500 UK pounds then i would have to run it during the day off at night would cause power disruption i have a 100w BP panel need power at night I put an alcohol burner in place of the gas burner to keep cool while looking at other fuel heat sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Is a bit confusing but I get impression from the Dometic Waeco website he RF60 can only be used on gas if outside, or well ventilated awing or tent, and not inside a motorhome. It does not appear to have the necessary ventilation and exhaust ports for installing inside a camper van or motorhome. Running of a battery unless you have a lot of capacity and method to recharge such is not really practical and hence would trust the way to go is a 3 way Dometic, albeit more expensive and go for a proper installation. On 12 volts it draws 100 watts, which is 8.3 amps. So when working hard will be almost 100% of the time. with a 100 Ah battery with no other load you have about 50Ah useable which wil give you just 6 hours operation. Hence 12 volts use is not practical except when driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 The simple answer is surely that a Dometic RF60 would be unsuitable for use in a motorhome. It's a portable 3-way free-standing appliance and (as stated in the product description) must not be used inside a caravan, motor vehicle or boat. I can imagine that the RF60 might be useful within a well-ventilated awning/safari-room where the attached caravan will be static for an extended period, but I can't see it being any good for a motorhome when you'd have to carry the fridge inside the vehicle (where it must not be used) every time you set off on your travels and carry it out again every time you parked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I agree with Derek. Strongly warned not to use in vehicle, not to build in. May not be much help, but might be useful: follow this link to O'Briens end of year sale. http://tinyurl.com/7mhx7dm Should take you to the bit showing RM4210/4211/4213 fridges. They are the same basic model with variations on gas ignition and availability of thermostat. I assume you have already checked and verified that these are the correct dimensions. RM4210 = £439. Has manual piezo gas ignition, and thermostatic control only when on mains electricity. RM4211 = £579. Has electronic gas ignition, and thermostatic control as RM4210. RM4213 = £559. Has automatic electronic gas re-ignition, and thermostatic control on mains plus on gas. So, no contest! :-) RM4213 is the most convenient and excellent value for money at that price. All three stated to be in stock. However, RM4211 or RM4213 will requite a permanently live 12V supply for the electronic gas ignition whether or not mains are connected, the RM4210 will not. The big question is whether O'Briens will ship to you in France, and at what cost. However, even at present exchange rates, £559 should give a useful saving against €945, so must be worth asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbersvan Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 :-S Spent ages once again looking for a French supplier Google france is a disaster lists amazon price minster price grabber none will sell me a fridge :-D one click for the fridge and i arrive at a page with domestic ovens The best result was a supplier in Finland 8-) At 740€ I had imagined that i would make a deviation to collect/have fitted a replacement fridge NO :-S Ill look again in the morning before i leave this wi-fi What a day :-| looked in to a Linux forum to find i was banned for saying you need 100 posts to sell 8-) Which i didnt my last post was 26 dec on the X101 asus thread as i have one and wanted a second distro as Megoo while very good has limitations What a day Ill have to change all my passwords 8-) 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Please note if you are searching on Google it is DOMETIC not domestic. edit. only missed the L in google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Might I ask why you are considering replacing your existing fridge? D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbersvan Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 Yes.I would rather stay with the Electrolux which works perfectly with 220v :-D Ran perfectly on gas until the gas burner rusted away. Within the burner is a hat with small holes for the gas to burn.That small hat has rusted loose therefor the burner no longer burns 8-) :-S It has been looked at proded & hissssed at with compressed air.What was once a rusty burner that worked is now a rusty burner that dosnt :-S If i find a replacement burner,a fitter,and afterwards it would again heat the cooler *-) with gas then i wouldnt need a replacement fridge DOMETIC RM4211 found this http://www.campingcarsaccessoires.com/ all others were links to ebay Germany I would have thought the Dutch company that bought electrolux would have known how to spell 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 plumbersvan - 2012-01-04 8:10 AM ...I would have thought the Dutch company that bought electrolux would have known how to spell 8-) The Dometic Group is Swedish and its HQ is in Solna, Sweden. The "Dometic" brand-name began to be used in 2001 after Electrolux changed hands. The Group's core business is in cooling applications with a strong emphasis on providing absorption fridges to the leisure-vehicle industry. The "Dometic" brand-name is just that - a brand-name - and (to the best of my knowledge) has no link to the word "domestic", which I assume was what your "not known how to spell" comment was suggesting. I note that Narbonne Accessoires are quoting on-line around €755 for a Dometic RM-4210 or around €885 for a RM-4211. http://www.narbonneaccessoires.fr/refrigerateurs/ref-absorption.html?order=name&dir=asc There are other lesser-known brands (eg. "Vitrifrigo"), but they are unlikely to be much cheaper. This type of specialised fridge is expensive. Whatever the make/model of fridge you might choose if you have to replace your current fridge, there's the caveat of how straightforward it would be to replace a 27-year-old fridge (assuming that the present appliance is the original) with a different model, as just a few millimetres variation in dimensions could demand major modifications to your motorhome's interior furniture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Plumbersvan, What model is your present defunct fridge, then maybe some of us could search for a possibe replacement burner for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Derek. The history timelime for Dometic is here..... http://dometicgroup.com/en/Our-Company/History/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Brambles - 2012-01-04 9:50 AM Derek. The history timelime for Dometic is here..... http://dometicgroup.com/en/Our-Company/History/ Thanks, i hadn't appreciated how early (1968) the Dometic name had been used - though I should have done if I'd looked at Wikipedia a bit more thoroughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neillking Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 The Dometic Spares Agents in the UK are Leisure Spares Ltd. I would think it worth asking Dometic ( www.dometic.com ) for the spares agent details in France. A burner assembly is likely to be £20-£30 rather than your £500+ ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hi Alf/Fiona This site may help you to find French dealers. http://www.dometic.com/fr/Europe/France/Customer-Center/Dealer-Locator/?bsn=MiniCool&sct=SalesSupport&rgn=France&prd=Refrigerators&populate=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 A GOOGLE search using "pieces detachees dometic" (omitting the quotes) will retrieve a good deal of stuff relating to French suppliers of spare parts. Whether any of them would stock (or could easily obtain) a burner for a 1984 fridge is open to question though. Surely it must be possible (as Brambles asked earlier) for plumbersvan to identify the model of Electrolux fridge that isn't working properly? Without that information, it's most unlikely that any parts supplier will be able to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbersvan Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 B-) Ive just found a post office that has an open wi-fi. Ive read the posts above 8-) Ill find a place to stay then look for the identification tag of the existing fridge :-S As its 2.45 local time i expect to post will be closed by the time ive found the fridge ID :-S Back early tommorow with answer (La poste blocks log on during closeing time though most posts that provide wi-fi leave it on during lunch *-) 8-) ) all links copied thank you :-D It seems i will have my current fridge repaired or a replacment soon,it is hard to do without one once one has become used to one :-| Post ready or not as my hour online is about to end :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbersvan Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Ive climbed into the fridge 8-) Ive tried to peel the label offf :-S photographed it put a large magnifying glass i bought this morning :'( All ive discovered is the modle nummber 20G or 200 ??? or 20???? :-S The modle type has been more or less erased by food moving against it :-S The size in millimeters is identical to the Dometic RM4211 60 liter fridge A new burner would be a better idea :-D So far i cant find anything for electrolux 60 liter modles or the new Dometic 60 liter I may visit friends near Dijon who at last have ADSL 8-) They said im welcom on Friday (at the moment *-) ) They might not think me polite if i spen all day at there PC looking for a spare :-S Ill try at Mac do hope they dont turn the connection off as many are increesingly doing I hope a burner for the new dometic fits the electrolux *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 If the burner looks like a tube fabricated from thin metal with slots for the flame there are two choices of parts. One about £20 the other £14 plus delivery. I wil take a look later and see if I can decipher what the part number might be etc., if no one else beats me to it...rather a busy day today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 plumbersvan - 2012-01-10 11:31 AM Ive climbed into the fridge 8-) Ive tried to peel the label offf :-S photographed it put a large magnifying glass i bought this morning :'( All ive discovered is the modle nummber 20G or 200 ??? or 20???? :-S The modle type has been more or less erased by food moving against it :-S The size in millimeters is identical to the Dometic RM4211 60 liter fridge... I'm guessing from what you've said and the information on the following file http://www.eribelle.nl/docs/document.81.pdf that your fridge is probably an Electrolux RM-200 model. The RM-200's 'discontinued date' seems right for your Eriba's age and its quoted dimensions (Height-628mm, Width-486mm, Depth-476mm) are very close to the H-618, W-486, D-474 dimensions of a Dometic RM-4211. The RM-200 has manual 'push button' piezo-ignition for gas operation, so (if that's what your present fridge has) the equivalent current model would be a Dometic RM-4210. As it's approaching 20 years since the RM-200 was discontinued, I've some doubts that a burner-assembly from a RM-4210 would be a straight swap for the one on your fridge, but you can but hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Derek / Plummersvan, This is the best I can come up. Forget the tube burners I mentioned earlier, theyare for much smaller fridges and I was way of teh mark. This document is the service parts list. How much help it wil be I am not sure but looks like there might be a later burner if jetted correctly could be fitted in. Then I got a bit lost. http://www.wohnkabinencenter.de/manuals/Electrolux%20(aeltere).pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 4210 burner... http://www.leisureshopdirect.com/caravan/ventilation/product_38519/Dometic_Burner__Jet_43.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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