bob b Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Your point? ....Fish Face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 Sorry , one too many glasses of Gino da plonko with my tea , Having read that 2 premier league football players are currently in trouble for racist comments I wondered why been called a " Nigger " was any worse to me been called a bald headed fat git ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob b Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 In that case...I withdraw my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 antony1969 - 2012-01-09 5:26 PM Sorry , one too many glasses of Gino da plonko with my tea , Having read that 2 premier league football players are currently in trouble for racist comments I wondered why been called a " Nigger " was any worse to me been called a bald headed fat git ? Coz u int black ;-)..........U is just a bald headed fat git ..............like me :D Not to mention we're white so can't be racially abused *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 antony1969 - 2012-01-09 5:26 PM I wondered why been called a " Nigger " was any worse to me been called a bald headed fat git Because if you is black it is racist and if you isn't it isn't! Aren't you glad that we have well thought out laws to enforce such wonderful racial equality and no shortage of well paid lawyers ready to help you - as long as you isn't white that is - by earning a fortune out of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Oh dear!! I just hope Anthony IS white otherwise you are all for the clink!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 antony1969 - 2012-01-09 5:26 PM Sorry , one too many glasses of Gino da plonko with my tea , Having read that 2 premier league football players are currently in trouble for racist comments I wondered why been called a " Nigger " was any worse to me been called a bald headed fat git ? Well, lets see Antony. :-) Is it? You cite three insults to only one, albeit one that has a high profile. So, on points, you would seem to win. But then. :-) Bald headed vis a vis Nigger is IMO equals, because neither the "gentlemen of colour" nor you or I, can do anything about being black, or bald, respectively. Fat seems to be your own fault, (too much food, too little exercise?), so self inflicted, so unless due to a verified medical condition (no proof please, we are of a delicate disposition on here!), IMO doesn't count. That just leaves Git. I am indebted to the Urban Dictionary for these definitions. 1. Git. i) A completely ignorant, childish person with no manners. ii) A person who feels justified in their callow behaviour. iii) A pubescent kid who thinks it's totally cool to act like a moron on the internet, only because no one can actually reach through the screen and punch their lights out. 2. Git. Total and utter (To**er) who is incapable of doing anything other than annoying people, and not in a way that is funny to others. Best used idly. e.g. "Git." "You useless git." 3. Git. By definition, it's a "rotter" or a despicable person. In reality in English, it's a colloquialism that affords itself to a luckier fellow. Much like a 'bugger': whilst the roots of the word are offensive, the actual use is endearing. A lucky 'git', a wealthy 'git', and a siding 'git'... when used right is still a mate. A friend 4. Git. A person that is useless, troublesome or annoying, a fool. Your choice, I think! But I'd still say evens overall. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 Currently been here on the Costa Lotta's I am a nice shade of crazy pink . Neither white nor black . So until anyone calls me a pink b...!"£ I will not take offence . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 Brian , with respect , you miss the point . A name is a name , hurts just as much wether is skin colour or been overweight . In these days of PC correctiveness surely all name calling should be dealt the same ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syd Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Brian Kirby - 2012-01-09 6:16 PM antony1969 - 2012-01-09 5:26 PM Sorry , one too many glasses of Gino da plonko with my tea , Having read that 2 premier league football players are currently in trouble for racist comments I wondered why been called a " Nigger " was any worse to me been called a bald headed fat git ? Well, lets see Antony. :-) Is it? You cite three insults to only one, albeit one that has a high profile. So, on points, you would seem to win. But then. :-) Bald headed vis a vis Nigger is IMO equals, because neither the "gentlemen of colour" nor you or I, can do anything about being black, or bald, respectively. Fat seems to be your own fault, (too much food, too little exercise?), so self inflicted, so unless due to a verified medical condition (no proof please, we are of a delicate disposition on here!), IMO doesn't count. That just leaves Git. I am indebted to the Urban Dictionary for these definitions. 1. Git. i) A completely ignorant, childish person with no manners. ii) A person who feels justified in their callow behaviour. iii) A pubescent kid who thinks it's totally cool to act like a moron on the internet, only because no one can actually reach through the screen and punch their lights out. 2. Git. Total and utter (To**er) who is incapable of doing anything other than annoying people, and not in a way that is funny to others. Best used idly. e.g. "Git." "You useless git." 3. Git. By definition, it's a "rotter" or a despicable person. In reality in English, it's a colloquialism that affords itself to a luckier fellow. Much like a 'bugger': whilst the roots of the word are offensive, the actual use is endearing. A lucky 'git', a wealthy 'git', and a siding 'git'... when used right is still a mate. A friend 4. Git. A person that is useless, troublesome or annoying, a fool. Your choice, I think! But I'd still say evens overall. :-D Hey Brian Thanks for that beautiful discription of what a Git is, now I know and the discription fits me to a "T" Always wondered and now I know, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 antony1969 - 2012-01-09 6:22 PM Brian , with respect , you miss the point . A name is a name , hurts just as much wether is skin colour or been overweight . In these days of PC correctiveness surely all name calling should be dealt the same ? Could be. But then what should I call you? Fred? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Not wishing to intrude Brian but Ithink one has been left out. When my wife justly told her boss that I was a miserable git he explained that a git was a pregnant camel so it was the wrong gender. The inference may be correct but I'm not that concerned she's put up with me for 48 years so I can't be all bad. :-D 8-) John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Personally I find the use of the 'n' word offensive simply because I've been taught that it's bad . What I don't understand though is they call each other that name without causing offence so is it bad because it was taught us so in the early days when political correctness had just been conceived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Bring back the Robertson's Golliwogs I say - and if it offends - tough - this is Britain - we are a tolerant and welcoming nation - and that includes incomers of all races, colours and creeds - but they must adapt to us not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Brian Kirby - 2012-01-09 6:41 PM antony1969 - 2012-01-09 6:22 PM Brian , with respect , you miss the point . A name is a name , hurts just as much wether is skin colour or been overweight . In these days of PC correctiveness surely all name calling should be dealt the same ? Could be. But then what should I call you? Fred? :-) Or Fried :D Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 antony1969 - 2012-01-09 6:17 PM Currently been here on the Costa Lotta's I am a nice shade of crazy pink . Neither white nor black . So until anyone calls me a pink b...!"£ I will not take offence . Is Lobster Boy allowed???? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 The name Ni***r does not derive from a colour, It derives from a country. So where is the racialism there. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 Mel B - 2012-01-09 8:08 PM antony1969 - 2012-01-09 6:17 PM Currently been here on the Costa Lotta's I am a nice shade of crazy pink . Neither white nor black . So until anyone calls me a pink b...!"£ I will not take offence . Is Lobster Boy allowed???? :D My lawyer is lookin into your character assassination Mel :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave225 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I was always curious to know why if a white person used the n word it was racist but blacks use it all the time to describe each other. I assume therefore we can also declare using the word 'honky' racist. Aagin there is this belief that racism only occurs when it is practiced by whites, but that is being challenged and is now not the case. Of course the Press/Media only define racism as occurring with black or ethnic minority, usually Asian, peoples, but as racism cases have been won by Jews, Welsh, Irish and even Scots for similar claims, then that is also no longer the single cause. Actually looking at my Oxford dictionary I see that the word racism is defined as determining human abilities as being defined by race, theerfore the above mentioned Jews, Welsh etc have just cause. No mention anywhere of skin colour. Now if one uses the words 'dumb African n....r' then yes, that is racist, but to use the words ' black n....r' is not as defined by the dictionary. The white South Aficans could be described as being racist when they called all black people 'kaffirs' or 'Bantu' as they categorised this as a low intelligence and ability level. However if they had merely stated that black people were to be called kaffirs/Bantu due to colour, then technically that would not be racist. Guy Gibson, of Dambusters fame, had a black dog which he naturally enough called nigger as it was a common word used to describe the colour shade black. It appeared in printers for ink shades as well as cloth and even paints. There was no suggestion of connection with a particular race of people so could not be defined as racist, unless dogs have joined the human race.. Mind you many people say their dog is more intelligent than they are so who knows. The way things are going the PC Loopies will so have us being banned from having 'blackouts', spiders will no longer be called Black Widows and Rowan Acktinson will have to change the name of one of his characters. Can I get a pint of 'non-white velvet' please and do not slip on the non-white ice when you leave. Confused? I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'm not sure of when the word n*gger started to be used, but I believe the reason it has been seen as being racist is the way in which it has been applied - it was not uncommon, I believe, for it to be used as an insult or to belittle people in the past. As with all 'name calling' it isn't necessarily the person doing it who is able to decide whether or not it is meant to be insulting etc, but is in whether it is in the eyes (ears?) of the receiving party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 As an aside to this, my Mum made a comment about how daft it was that even the Guinness adverts which were being shown over Christmas were trying to be politically correct - these were the ones where they wished people a happy "white and black" Christmas - she thought it was so that it didn't offend anyone by only wishing people a happy 'white Christmas'! *-) it took me a while to realise what she was on about! :D No doubt the person who came up with the new campaign never thought it might be misinterpreted in that way but it just shows you that people can see things in different ways. 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Braykewynde Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Mel B - 2012-01-09 11:46 PM No doubt the person who came up with the new campaign never thought it might be misinterpreted in that way but it just shows you that people can see things in different ways. 8-) It is the way the thought police have been programming people to think for the last 15 years especially through the EU. Now people have to think twice about what they say or even read into comments/statements the worse possible which mostly wasn't intended by the originator. Probably the greatest achievement of political correctness is that set in motion by the EU, mass immigration, destroying national identity in the belief it will stop future wars. A good site for PC is ... http://www.capc.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordThornber Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Mel B - 2012-01-09 11:40 PM As with all 'name calling' it isn't necessarily the person doing it who is able to decide whether or not it is meant to be insulting etc, but is in whether it is in the eyes (ears?) of the receiving party. I agree completely Mel. To add to it of course in these enlightened (ha!) times, also in the eyes/ears of anyone in the vicinity. Usual rule applies. Know your audience. Martyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 ...I've always been of the opinion that an insult,is just that,an insult and I've never understood why it should one should be deemed more serious,just because it includes a reference to ethnicity..? Surely.... "..you useless black,piece of s..." is no worse than, "..you useless *fat/lazy/thick,piece of s..."? (*delete as applicable)... ..and going back to the opening point...bearing in mind the amount of stick that refs still get,I wonder what goes through their heads when footballers complain at being called names... *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Dave225 - 2012-01-09 8:26 PM Guy Gibson, of Dambusters fame, had a black dog which he naturally enough called nigger as it was a common word used to describe the colour shade black. It appeared in printers for ink shades as well as cloth and even paints. There was no suggestion of connection with a particular race of people so could not be defined as racist, unless dogs have joined the human race.. Mind you many people say their dog is more intelligent than they are so who knows. The way things are going the PC Loopies will so have us being banned from having 'blackouts', spiders will no longer be called Black Widows and Rowan Acktinson will have to change the name of one of his characters. Can I get a pint of 'non-white velvet' please and do not slip on the non-white ice when you leave. Confused? I am. I was about to post the same info re Guy Gibson’s dog Dave. I also seem to remember that the last time the film was shown on TV, the dogs name was replaced - I certainly remember hearing the N word used in the film in probably the late 60's early 70's and thinking "Wow! - how times change!" A similar jolt to the senses can be obtained by reading books of the era. I re-read Nevil Shute’s "The Chequer Board" (fantastic book) but was amused to read a description of the Consultant Neuro Surgeon and the patient with a bit of shrapnel in his brain each having a cigarette during the consultation. Similarly the patient regularly went to the pub, drank a fair bit then drove home. As a snapshot of a different time it was fascinating. Equally fascinating is be admonished only a few years ago by a government employee at a meeting when asked for white or black coffee. His response was a very terse PC'ism that the correct description "was with or without milk". You could not make it up - but it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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