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Who was it recently in this forum that insinuated that Britain was still a great place to live insinuating there was nothing wrong with the country?

A recent United Nations report has stated that certain areas of Britain have 'no-go' areas which are on a par with parts of Mexico, Brazil and the U.S.A. In these 'no-go' areas the police have totally lost control. Cities mentioned in the report are Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester.

Professor Hamid Ghodse, the head of the U.N. report stated the blame can be laid at mass immigration, social inequality and the widespread use of drugs.

It's nice to read how others see us and how they see the state of our country :-S

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Say what you like the UK is still a good place to live.

 

The blame is more like poor parenting, failure to accept responsibility for one's own actions, wishy washy weak law enforcement, too many do gooders keen to blame the victims rather than the perpetrators and a benefit dependent culture that the socialists and do gooders will never allow to be toughened up.

 

Apart from that it is no worse than many other countries and as long as you choose carefully where you live life in the UK is good.

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Not to mention these ghetto's use up a disproportionate amount of tax...........ie benefits, police, courts and prisons...............and who's fault is it?...............In my view the looney liberal elite who run our asylum with their holier than though attitude *-)...........Known as the court of human rights ;-)

 

I doubt it bothers them in their Ivory towers paid for by the taxpayer >:-(

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Brian Kirby - 2012-03-07 12:20 PM

 

What a pair of wingers! I'll hold to door open for you both if you want to leave. Now, where are you going that is better? Do tell. Then, we could have a whip round towards an assisted passage! :-D

 

Its being so grumpy that keeps us happy Brian ;-).....................But I'll take your offer of assistance............how much were you thinking? :D

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Part of the freedom enjoyed by UK residents is that anyone who does not like it here is always at liberty to leave.

 

The queue to leave does not seem very long - what does that tell you!

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Rich, Brian, It's very easy to express that opinion whilst comfortable in your present financial and social status. I doubt however that if you lived in one of the sink estates and were one of the "lower classes" as you like to describe people less fortunate than yourself, that you would hold 'your country' in such high esteem.

When you live on an estate where 50% of the residents are non white, 30% are east European and the remaing percentage are either on the rob or dealing drugs, you tend to have a different outlook on life than people in a nice safe community where the biggest worry is people leaving untaxed cars on the road.

 

The report is accurate, there are increasing numbers of 'No Go Areas', so maybe "getting out" can only be a dream to some people.

 

Try telling them, " It's no better elsewhere".

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donna miller - 2012-03-07 12:58 PM

 

Rich, Brian, It's very easy to express that opinion whilst comfortable in your present financial and social status.

 

What I find funny is that in a post by FG recently BK was questioning his remarks about the country being perfect (lol) hence the reason I used 'perfect' in the thread title ;-)

If only people were consistent in their thoughts or had a better memory :D

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Tracker - 2012-03-07 12:39 PM

 

Part of the freedom enjoyed by UK residents is that anyone who does not like it here is always at liberty to leave.

 

The queue to leave does not seem very long - what does that tell you!

 

I'm not a resident Tracker, I'm a citizen and you should stop reading internet gossip what the Australian premier said to immigrants in that country.

The difference is I'm not an immigrant, I was born here as was my father, grandfathers (who all fought in the last two wars and the one lost his life) and my great grandparents before them. ;-)

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Tracker - 2012-03-07 12:39 PMPart of the freedom enjoyed by UK residents is that anyone who does not like it here is always at liberty to leave.The queue to leave does not seem very long - what does that tell you!

I agree , but unfortunately the queue to get here is getting longer !!

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Lord Braykewynde - 2012-03-07 1:35 PM

you should stop reading internet gossip what the Australian premier said to immigrants in that country.

The difference is I'm not an immigrant, I was born here as was my father, grandfathers (who all fought in the last two wars and the one lost his life) and my great grandparents before them. ;-)

 

I have no idea what any Australian said and neither do I care and you need to stop putting words into other peoples mouths.

 

Who cares whether you are 75th generation local or not - as a resident you too are free to leave if you don't like it!!

 

I grew up on a tough council estate and have lived in rough areas and that is what inspired me to get of my bum and create a better life and the same opportunities are available to anyone else.

 

I accept that the lower down you think you are in the heap the harder it will be but it seems to be much easier to draw benefit and do nowt except blame everyone else and I for one am getting pretty fed up with hearing about the downtrodden masses.

 

If you don't like it - bugger off somewhere else where the system is more to your liking - if such a place exists?

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Lord Braykewynde - 2012-03-07 11:07 AM

 

Who was it recently in this forum that insinuated that Britain was still a great place to live insinuating there was nothing wrong with the country?

A recent United Nations report has stated that certain areas of Britain have 'no-go' areas which are on a par with parts of Mexico, Brazil and the U.S.A. In these 'no-go' areas the police have totally lost control. Cities mentioned in the report are Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester.

Professor Hamid Ghodse, the head of the U.N. report stated the blame can be laid at mass immigration, social inequality and the widespread use of drugs.

It's nice to read how others see us and how they see the state of our country :-S

 

It's good :-S to see the UN doesn't know what it's talking about, and that people can turn anything to suit thier agenda.

Here's some facts, Brazil has 20x our murder rate, Mexico 15x and the good old US of A 4x, anyone who thinks it's as bad in UK as these countries as whole let alone in the ghetto's is just plain daft. Yes we have problems, IMO it's getting worse, but don't treat me like Sun/Mail reader.

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kelly58 - 2012-03-07 1:47 PM

I agree , but unfortunately the queue to get here is getting longer !!

 

Why is it that everyone wants a slice of the UK?................... because they know its Eldorado...........the land of benefits for all if you know how to work the system ;-)....................

 

We can't even get rid of terrorists (lol) (lol) (lol)

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donna miller - 2012-03-07 12:58 PM................. I doubt however that if you lived in one of the sink estates and were one of the "lower classes" as you like to describe people less fortunate than yourself, that you would hold 'your country' in such high esteem.

Donna, I do not refer to the lower classes, that must be someone else, somewhere else, as it is not in this string.

 

I have not raised the "esteem" in which I hold this country. It is very imperfect: but then, so are all countries. I don't think I see England unrealistically - but overall, it is a humane, educated, civilised, cultured, law abiding, reasonably rational country, and few others share those attributes. However, the pair of wingers I replied to just go endlessly on and on with the same cracked, moaning, tabloid inspired, records from which you would imagine one is about to be cooked and eaten by migrants, and the other rendered instantly bankrupt as a result of the huge tax burden he suffers.

 

The report is accurate, there are increasing numbers of 'No Go Areas', so maybe "getting out" can only be a dream to some people.

 

Try telling them, " It's no better elsewhere".

So, the no-go areas need to be fixed. Of course there are problem areas: name a time when there weren't. The problems, the areas, and the reasons they exist alter, but they don't mean the whole country is going down the tubes. It is the people who cause the problems, who need fixing, not the areas. I'm not "telling them its no better elsewhere", I'm merely inviting our two wingers to consider where else they might like to live instead. There's an awful lot of countries for them to choose from. They're notably quiet on that subject.

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Lord Braykewynde - 2012-03-07 1:08 PM...................What I find funny is that in a post by FG recently BK was questioning his remarks about the country being perfect (lol) hence the reason I used 'perfect' in the thread title ;-)

If only people were consistent in their thoughts or had a better memory :D

Utter rubbish. A straw-man argument. Show me where I stated or implied that this country is perfect. It is not, but neither is it the midden you seem to think it.

 

As to the title of the string: talk about post-hoc justification! Bloody hell, a winging clairvoyant! That's a new one. :-D

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Brian Kirby - 2012-03-07 2:20 PM

 

donna miller - 2012-03-07 12:58 PM................. I doubt however that if you lived in one of the sink estates and were one of the "lower classes" as you like to describe people less fortunate than yourself, that you would hold 'your country' in such high esteem.

Donna, I do not refer to the lower classes, that must be someone else, somewhere else, as it is not in this string.

 

I have not raised the "esteem" in which I hold this country. It is very imperfect: but then, so are all countries. I don't think I see England unrealistically - but overall, it is a humane, educated, civilised, cultured, law abiding, reasonably rational country, and few others share those attributes. However, the pair of wingers I replied to just go endlessly on and on with the same cracked, moaning, tabloid inspired, records from which you would imagine one is about to be cooked and eaten by migrants, and the other rendered instantly bankrupt as a result of the huge tax burden he suffers.

 

The report is accurate, there are increasing numbers of 'No Go Areas', so maybe "getting out" can only be a dream to some people.

 

Try telling them, " It's no better elsewhere".

So, the no-go areas need to be fixed. Of course there are problem areas: name a time when there weren't. The problems, the areas, and the reasons they exist alter, but they don't mean the whole country is going down the tubes. It is the people who cause the problems, who need fixing, not the areas. I'm not "telling them its no better elsewhere", I'm merely inviting our two wingers to consider where else they might like to live instead. There's an awful lot of countries for them to choose from. They're notably quiet on that subject.

I thought whinger was spelt "whinger" am I right or wrong? Wheres my friend francis when you want him?

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Brian Kirby - 2012-03-07 2:20 PM

 

So, the no-go areas need to be fixed. Of course there are problem areas: name a time when there weren't. The problems, the areas, and the reasons they exist alter, but they don't mean the whole country is going down the tubes. It is the people who cause the problems, who need fixing, not the areas. I'm not "telling them its no better elsewhere", I'm merely inviting our two wingers to consider where else they might like to live instead. There's an awful lot of countries for them to choose from. They're notably quiet on that subject.

 

 

Agreed there's always been run down areas......................but have they improved or increased Brian?.........................If we were making progress then you'd think they'd be getting better................but they're not...... they are getting worse despite the billions that is thrown at them.............. which is my own non red top reading, blinkered view of the country Brian ;-)

 

As for nicer countries to live I quite fancy New Zealand, but I doubt I'd get in (to old) as they, unlike us do not have an open door policy ;-)

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Britain for all its faults is still a good country to live in, the numbers of people trying to get in must prove that? As for no go area's I dont know, but there are area's of Manchester that were a white man to venture in alone at night he might very well have serious problems as has happened many a time of late?

PS, I should also mention that there are area's of Manchester that would be dangerous for someone of an ethnic minority to venture into late at night as in the case of the foreign student who was shot dead on boxing day by a Salford scumbag.

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Brian Kirby - 2012-03-07 2:28 PM

Bloody hell, a winging clairvoyant! That's a new one. :-D

 

Is that like a swinging claivoyant? ;-)........................I expect they would see you coming (lol) (lol)

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knight of the road - 2012-03-07 4:06 PM I thought whinger was spelt "whinger" am I right or wrong? Wheres my friend francis when you want him?

You may be right Malcolm, I couldn't find a definitive spelling, both seem to be used. Maybe it depends on whether you're an Aussie or a Pom!

 

However, irrespective of whether it is winge or whinge, that is what these two just keep on endlessly doing, and since neither seems to have anything more constructive to expound than the latest tabloid scare story, I've invited either/both to pick a better hole, so to speak. Result: silence! Speaks volumes, don't you think?! :-)

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pelmetman - 2012-03-07 1:55 PM We can't even get rid of terrorists

Actually, this one line sums up your brainless red-top mentality. You read about the tiny number of people who fight extradition and then, as far as you're concerned, that's the situation all round.

In 2010 39,030 people left the UK forcibly, or voluntarily after the initiation of deportation proceeding. This is three per cent more than in 2008 and 37% more than 2005. In 1997 the figure was 10,000 and it has climbed steadily since.

However, these don't make the pages of the Sun or the Daily Star or whatever it is you read and you're not bright enough to dig a little deeper yourself.

Brian Kirby has hit the nail on the head. The reason that this section of the forum is at its lowest ebb ever, is because of you and your pal and your constant whinging and whining and your bitter and deep-rooted envy of anyone who is successful. If you spent just half of the time trying to start a business, as you spend on this forum complaining about almost everything, you could be be quite well off.

Instead, you've just given up and become a professional resenter!

If gardens were abolished, rather than being out of work, Knight of the Road, who's twenty years older than you, would probably buy a set of ladders and go out knocking on doors to try to establish a window cleaning round. He'd refuse to give up and would always find a way to make a living. And then there's you......

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Such a pity FG that you are unable to make your points without insults and rudeness because by your own attitude of intolerance and unpleasantness towards others who have shown you no disrespect you show yourself to be more ignorant than the people you decry.

 

So why not start acting like an adult and maybe someone will start to take you seriously?

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This morning at seven o'clock I popped into the village shop for some essentials, bread an milk etc. It's a super business that has a good range of products and is open early until late. It's run by an Asian family who came here from Uganda many years ago. 

On the way into the office I called in at a car wash. It was a petrol station but it closed and has been taken over by a small group of Polish boys who now operate a very efficient car wash.

This lunchtime I had a hospital appointment to check up an a small break in a finger that I sustained when climbing recently. The surgeon is Indian and came to Britain about thirty years ago. Many of the nurses and other staff were immigrants.

This will be my last (but one!) post today as, this evening, I'm dining with friends at Gio's Restaurant (for anyone who knows Manchester). It's a superb family-run business owned by Italians. Most of the young waiters and waitresses are Italian and they always laugh at me as I insist on making them run through the list of specials at least twice, as I just love the beauty of their melodic and mellifluousness language.

These immigrants eh! What a drain on the economy! Send them all home! 
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