Guest Peter James Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Interesting thread on Scarborough Evening News. ( I joined as 'Peter1950' as the name 'Peter James' was already taken. So if you see a 'Peter James' on there it isn't me) : link http://www.scarborougheveningnews.co.uk/news/local/call-for-action-on-mobile-homes-1-4431785# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B. Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Pity Scarborough hasn't got the foresight of some other councils-ie St Annes for instance. I always thought as a 'Toursist Town' the prime aim of the council was to bring much neeed money into the local economy-ie the Tourist Industry. Clearly I was mistaken. Ah well that's Scarborough off the list for this Summer-off to St Annes we go! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I usually just park on a nice quiet street anyway. Recently the police were called by a local Victor Meldrew neighbourhood watch character who saw my van parked up and apparently thought it was someone out doing a burglary :D I always throw their crap back at them. I told the police I couldn't use the car parks because of Scarborough council regulations, so I parked on the street to stay within the law. The police were fine about it. They didn't tell me to move. But they told me nobody was checking at night so nudge nudge - so I could go on Holbeck Hill car park if I wanted too. So I gave it a try. Fabulous view, but very exposed to the wind rocking the van. I slept better on the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Quote from the article.............."I have asked officials to look into simplifying this process. As a follow up to this I am happy to say that the Secretary of State has recently authorised a new sign that can be utilised by local authorities to ban the parking of motor caravans on their road networks.”Amazing, MHs not allowed in car parks due to height barriers so where are they supposed to park if they want to visit and "contribute to the local community".These numpties seem to think that motorhomers are some sort of virus descending on their town to cause mayhem rather than reasonably affluent people who want to explore and enjoy what a town might have on offer and then repeat the process in the next area.Considering that most of these towns proudly boast the 'twinning' with a similar French (and other) town, they 'ain't learnt much' about how to encourage trade into their fold.Oh well, France here we come (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B. Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 bolero boy - 2012-04-12 4:40 PMQuote from the article.............."I have asked officials to look into simplifying this process. As a follow up to this I am happy to say that the Secretary of State has recently authorised a new sign that can be utilised by local authorities to ban the parking of motor caravans on their road networks.”Amazing, MHs not allowed in car parks due to height barriers so where are they supposed to park if they want to visit and "contribute to the local community".These numpties seem to think that motorhomers are some sort of virus descending on their town to cause mayhem rather than reasonably affluent people who want to explore and enjoy what a town might have on offer and then repeat the process in the next area.Considering that most of these towns proudly boast the 'twinning' with a similar French (and other) town, they 'ain't learnt much' about how to encourage trade into their fold.Oh well, France here we come (again).So they want to ban us from the roads & the carparks-ie We don't want Motorhomers!Wonder what the unemployment % is in Scarborough area and what benefit more money in the local economy would be?Encourage Motorhomes = More tourists, more work, more money more revenue for ScarboroughORBan Motorhomes = lose visitors, lose money, businesses close, unemployment up, revenue downVery forward thinking........................................................NOTWhat are these people elected for?Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Just down the coast is Bridlington. It is not car friendly, never mind m/home friendly and is avoided by many due to the cost and restrictions on parking. Apart from Charity shops, there is virtually nothing there and a lot of unemployed deadbeats gravitate there to take their drugs. What a turnaround since my youth, it used to be a grand little place. Sooner or later, Scarborough will descend to that condition so it is not much of a loss anyway. I wish the locals well in their self inflicted future. I never found it to be really friendly in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolly1965 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 As a child, I spent many happy holidays in Scarborough. However, the last time I went, some ten years ago, I noticed that dogs were banned from the beach. I suppose I understand the reason why - dogs fouling and children are not a good mix, but come on, a huge percentage of dog owners clean up after their pooches. All dogs love a run on the beach. As a dog owner I have avoided Scarborough ever since. Being a dog owner is one of the reasons I bought a motorhome and now they're unwelcome too! I have heard reports that Scarborough has gone down the pan recently. I for one will not be returning to see for myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Whats the problem? People camping overnight in car parks and street, and letting waste drain down the road. In that case I can see why the locals complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Unfortunately, more and more UK towns and seaside resorts seem to have this type of attitude. They obviously do not need tourists who can afford to spend £25,000-£75,000 purely on a leisure vehicle to park anywhere near their Shops or Restuarants. VERY short sighted. They will just go to where they ARE welcome. Which is probably on Mainland Europe. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I had many happy hols at Scarborough in my youth but it has deteriated over the years so we dont go anymore even for the day, it is only 1 1/2 hour drive away. We go to Whitby which I would recommend to anyone who enjoys the coast, it has something for everyone and there is o/night motorhome parking on the West Cliff (3 spaces) and you can park on the cliff road during the day as quite a few MHs do.. I have never stopped overninght as it is less than an hour drive away but it is really nice to sit and enjoy the view out to sea and down the coast and a walk down to the harbour and up to the Abbey. If you prefer somewhere less comercialised Sandsend is only a couple of miles up the coast and there is loads of beach side parking which frequented by a number of surfer vans and families enjoying the fantastic beach. As Whitby comes under the larger Scarborough area I trust this is not going to change, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usinmyknaus Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 bolero boy - 2012-04-12 4:40 PM "I have asked officials to look into simplifying this process. As a follow up to this I am happy to say that the Secretary of State has recently authorised a new sign that can be utilised by local authorities to ban the parking of motor caravans on their road networks.” In that case, perhaps the "Secretary of State" concerned would care to ask his colleague, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to refund a proportion of the £53,600 in taxes levied on my motorhome costs over the past 5 years? Thought not. Bob *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usinmyknaus Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 New page added to my "where to stay guide" this morning states: "AVOID Scarborough and Bridlington". "VISIT Whitby - M/H parking at West Cliff, 3 spaces, FR. Sea views, coast, harbour, abbey walks." (FR = "Forum Recommended") Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I gather the ones complaining about you parking on your marine drive are the councillor with the campsite, and third rate 'hoteliers' with empty beds. It makes no difference to them that you are spending money in other local places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 colin - 2012-04-12 8:43 PM Whats the problem? People camping overnight in car parks and street, and letting waste drain down the road. In that case I can see why the locals complain. I agree. What is the problem ? Why have motorhomes got such a bad image in these places - there must be some reason for it. People in cars have been visiting for years, and in general they are tolerated - so why not people in motorhomes ? Is it because of the way a minority of them behave ? I suspect that councils are only responding to complaints from the local residents. :-( It may well be that they are influenced by vested interests in B&B s etc, but motorhomers don't use those anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I don't think motorhomers do have a bad image. I think that vested interests like failing 'hoteliers' and campsite owners just look for an excuse to ban them. Someone on that thread said they had seen unidentified liquid being poured down a street drain, then suggested that might lose them their blue flag beach award. When you think of all the waste going into the sea from birds, fish, cats, dogs etc that is ludicrous, and just shows trheir desperation to find an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wills Wagon Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 If people behave responsibly there is no problem. Dont blame local interests they live there all the time and have to make a living but do blame the minority of motorhomers who disregard good practice and do what they can to get something for nothing or on the cheap. I have seen motorhomers dumping grey water and WC waste and filling up with water from toilet blocks. They think it's clever! I did write to the Head of Tourism at Scarborough about three years ago and asked if they could provide more motorhome parking bays on Marine Parade and they said they would look into it. He accepted that motorhomers were an assett and spent money in the town but if the cheapos damage the image I am afraid we all have to suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Wills Wagon - 2012-04-13 1:30 PM If people behave responsibly there is no problem. Dont blame local interests they live there all the time and have to make a living but do blame the minority of motorhomers who disregard good practice and do what they can to get something for nothing or on the cheap. I have seen motorhomers dumping grey water and WC waste and filling up with water from toilet blocks. They think it's clever!.... ......but if the cheapos damage the image I am afraid we all have to suffer. I agree with Wills... ..and if we're being honest, if people *really* wanted to put money into a resort's economy,they'd be booking into a local site and eating out/spending money..and not sitting in their vans,eating their own food,drinking their own coffee/tea/wine and NOT bedding down in a local carpark... *-) (..and as for the banning dogs from the beach...well,just check out the "Parvos virus" thread..or maybe google "dogs..excrement..and beach.. ;-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B. Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 pepe63 - 2012-04-13 2:02 PM Wills Wagon - 2012-04-13 1:30 PM If people behave responsibly there is no problem. Dont blame local interests they live there all the time and have to make a living but do blame the minority of motorhomers who disregard good practice and do what they can to get something for nothing or on the cheap. I have seen motorhomers dumping grey water and WC waste and filling up with water from toilet blocks. They think it's clever!.... ......but if the cheapos damage the image I am afraid we all have to suffer. I agree with Wills... ..and if we're being honest, if people *really* wanted to put money into a resort's economy,they'd be booking into a local site and eating out/spending money..and not sitting in their vans,eating their own food,drinking their own coffee/tea/wine and NOT bedding down in a local carpark... *-) (..and as for the banning dogs from the beach...well,just check out the "Parvos virus" thread..or maybe google "dogs..excrement..and beach.. ;-) ) At £25+ per night on a local site we wouldn't be able to eat out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Wills Wagon - 2012-04-13 1:30 PM do what they can to get something for nothing or on the cheap. The public roads belong to us, we pay for their maintenance through vehicle taxes, and its hardly cheap. (I understand our vehicle taxes are the highest in Europe, for the most congested roads in Europe.) I don't see why we should pay any more to park on our public roads anywhere in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Peter James - 2012-04-13 3:12 PM I don't see why we should pay any more to park on our public roads anywhere in Britain. If you are hoping to eliminate parking meters in the U.K. - I wish you luck. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave225 Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Unfortunately motorhomers cover a wide spectrum of people. Many are careful law abiding citizens but quite a few really do not give a toss about the neighbourhood. I have seen lines of them parked on seafronts with the waste water just flowing to any drain. As they cannot overnight they arrive at early morning and stay until sundown. Note this was in Europe as well as here. As mentioned more and more towns in the UK are banning them. Very often the degree of disregard was often proportional to the price of the van, namely the expensive motorhome owners were often th e worst offenders. Some may suggest we adopt the Aires system as used in France but of course we all know that immediately these would be occupied by the 'travelling' community and that would be the end of that. In France they boot them out immediately, here it takes 10 years. Sorry but until we change our society i suspect we will have more of these unfortunate rules. Mind you on a personal note I would not be comfortable leaving an expensive motorhome in the street. Too much of an attraction for someone to smash a window and pilfer what they could plus the local 'neds' may think it fun to add logos to the side panels with a knife etc. Siiting in it just looking out the window does seem a little pointles methinks. As a tugger I pay the site fees 'ouch!' but then can just drive anywhere, park (and pay the fees Ouch again!) and relax a bit and enjoy the place, or not as the case may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 pepe63 - 2012-04-13 2:02 PM Wills Wagon - 2012-04-13 1:30 PM If people behave responsibly there is no problem. Dont blame local interests they live there all the time and have to make a living but do blame the minority of motorhomers who disregard good practice and do what they can to get something for nothing or on the cheap. I have seen motorhomers dumping grey water and WC waste and filling up with water from toilet blocks. They think it's clever!.... ......but if the cheapos damage the image I am afraid we all have to suffer. I agree with Wills... ..and if we're being honest, if people *really* wanted to put money into a resort's economy,they'd be booking into a local site and eating out/spending money..and not sitting in their vans,eating their own food,drinking their own coffee/tea/wine and NOT bedding down in a local carpark... *-) (..and as for the banning dogs from the beach...well,just check out the "Parvos virus" thread..or maybe google "dogs..excrement..and beach.. ;-) ) I have never had any intention of staying overnight in a busy resort like Scarborough, BUT if i am in the area, I would like to be able to park, have a look around, and Yes, possibly buy something and have a meal out. We don't always eat in the van, surely most folk have a break from cooking now and again too ? Now If we encounter 'hostility' in the shape of 'Height barriers' or 'No motorhome' signs, we will probably drive on without stopping. Depriving them of our 'Disposable income'. IS That their intention ? We might have a cup of tea with a nice view, but as for overnighting, in a car park ! no thanks. Ray I myself live in a 'ferryport' seaside resort, so have seen many differant motorhomes visiting and 'overnighting' waiting for a ferry. Never have we had any problems from them. Long distance lorry drivers however.... leave the place in a terrible state. And THEY really spend nothing in the local community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Peter James - 2012-04-13 3:12 PM The public roads belong to us, we pay for their maintenance through vehicle taxes, and its hardly cheap. (I understand our vehicle taxes are the highest in Europe, for the most congested roads in Europe.)... ...I don't see why we should pay any more to park on our public roads anywhere in Britain. Well...they're not trying to ban you/us from driving on "their" roads.. :-S ...it seems they're just trying to stop Mhs/caravans from "overnighting" in areas in which it is already "illegal".. These quotes from the link YOU posted.. ;-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Residents had complained that visitors were using the area’s car parks and on-street parking bays for overnight stops instead of heading for designated caravan sites." “Either it’s because everywhere is full or they don’t want to contribute to the local economy. Something will have to done because it’s the law. Scarborough Council is having to enforce it.” -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..Reading thoughs,it all sounds pretty fair to me..... Ray.. Yes I agree on the point of height barriers(..pain in the a*se,especially when they've been put up since you're last visit! 8-) ) ..but again,reading the link posted in the OP,it doesn't sound as if they've had barriers (or any "No motorhome" sign "hostility" etc)...it appears that it's because people have been taking the p*ss,that it has now become an issue... :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANKP60 Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 We spent a Morning!!! in Scarborough, parked in Park and Ride and caught PR bus in .After spending morning there dodging seagulls and mess they left ,we headed back to Whitby much more Motorhome friendly. Perhaps they need to contact Canterbury city council excellent Park and Ride with separate motorhome parking £2.50 24 hours .We stayed there before Christmas and spent over £200 on Christmas presents. We went to Canterbury because we knew we could park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I quick google,shows they have Park & Rides..although I'm usure if they'll accommodate MHs? (..Oh!.. I also doubt they've got sea views.?! ) http://www.scarboroughparkandride.co.uk/ They also seem to have quite a few car parks..this one takes MHs(..there may be others): http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=15651 (..although this *may* be one that'll be getting barriers due to "missuse"?.. *-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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