Gaslow with Secumotion

[bolero boy]

I will be installing a Gaslow refillable system a little later in the year prior to a trip to France and Spain.

My locker only holds 2x6kg bottles or 1x11kg bottle (I have actually placed an 11kg Gaslow in the locker to check while visiting Outdoor Bits in Exmouth recently).

Following comments on an earlier thread about contingency in Spain with refill stations less plentiful than in France and other European countries, I am opting for the following set up. I currently have Secumotion fitted and my question concerns this and will come after the set up info.

•1 X 11Kg Refillable Bottle No.1

•1 X Filling Kit

•1 X Euro LPG Adaptor

•1 X LPG Adaptor for France / Italy

•1 x Spanish LPG adaptor.

•1 x Propane adaptor with guage 01-4330.

. 1 x Gaslow Jumbo Adaptor 01-1671

 

The Propane adaptor with guage will convert my Secumotion Propane hose to a std 21.8 LH fitting to allow connection of Jumbo adaptor for local Spanish bottles should refill prove an issue.

I realise i would have to remove the empty 11kg bottle to make room for the local bottle (or install 6kg refillable which is half the supply I normally carry).

 

The question is - as I haven't used Secumotion (I always turn off the gas prior to travel) I could replace the Secumotion hose with a std butane hose which will allow direct connetion to the Jumbo adaptor if required. However, as pointed out by Derek in a recent post, there is a process for priming the Secumotion system as follows -

 

1. Open the cylinder’s valve.

2. Firmly press the hose rupture protection device (green button) on the high pressure hose.

3. Press gas flow monitor reset button (green button) on gas pressure regulation system slowly.

4. Release gas flow monitor reset button (green button) on gas pressure regulation system slowly (3 seconds).

 

I will now not have the button mentioned in 2 above.

Do I still need to press and release the gas flow monitor reset button as in 3 and 4 above?

 

In short, does a Secumotion regulator require a Secumotion hose?

 

Hopefully not too confusing........................

PS Eddie, how has your gas been lasting during you stay, have you needed to refill since arriving there on site?

 

Thanks all.

 

 

[Derek Uzzell]

If you retain your SecuMotion 'pigtail' (presumably it has a POL end-connection suitable for attaching to, say, a UK Calor propane gas bottle) then you'll need a Gaslow 'Propane Refillable Adaptor Gauge (Part No. 01-43330)

 

http://www.outdoorbits.com/propane-adaptor-with-gauge-4330-p-710.html

 

to allow you to connect the SecuMotion pigtail to your Gaslow refillable bottle, never mind to connect it to a Spanish Jumbo adaptor.

 

To be LEGALLY acceptable for operating a gas-fuelled heater in a moving vehicle in any EU state, Truma's Secumotion system needs to have both parts installed - the specialised regulator and the specialised pigtail. But TECHNICALLY the SecuMotion regulator does not need the specialised pigtail.

 

Consequently, if you wanted to swap your SecuMotion pigtail for, say, a Gaslow stainless-steel pigtail with a 21.8LH end-fitting (ie. UK butane standard) with no rupture-protection device, this would present no technical problems. You'd just modify your 1-4 list into a 1-3 list as follows:

 

1. Open the cylinder’s valve.

2. Press gas flow monitor reset button (green button) on gas pressure regulation system slowly.

3. Release gas flow monitor reset button (green button) on gas pressure regulation system slowly (3 seconds).

 

As you always turn off your gas reservoir before driving, swapping to a different pigtail makes some sense.

[Guest JudgeMental]

just using gas for cooking so hardly any at all. 2 weeks in, while dropping wife of at Alicante airport, I went to LPG station nearby and it was approx 7 euro I think to top up. we used heating on way down through France......So cheap to eat out dont cook much either. have used gas BBQ a few times...

 

my van has truma secure motion as well, and had to fit truma duo control as we have 2x11kg refillable bottles

 

while1 x 11kg may be OK most of the time.......In Spain not many LPG stations around. I would consider an under slung LPG tank,all depends on style of camping

[Robinhood]

Chris,

 

AIUI, the button on the hose is to bypass the "rupture-protection" on start up, if the pressure in the hose has dropped.

 

The button on the regulator itself is associated with the flow-rate sensing, which is (supposedly) calibrated to the van.

 

If you remove the secumotion-specific hose, you will not have a system authorised for use on the move, but the system will still work (and the flow-rate sensing will still provide some additional protection, though I believe a standard regulator delivering against zero resistance will also provide protection).

 

The other forums abound with references from people who have taken on a Gaslow system, and replaced the secumotion-specific hoses with others (particulalrly stainless steel ones).

 

I think, having the basics of the system, I'd probably choose to retain the full protection, but that's just me (and I have to move clobber in the garage to get at the gas bottles to turn them off).

[bolero boy]

Derek Uzzell - 2012-05-01 6:06 PM

 

If you retain your SecuMotion 'pigtail' (presumably it has a POL end-connection suitable for attaching to, say, a UK Calor propane gas bottle) then you'll need a Gaslow 'Propane Refillable Adaptor Gauge (Part No. 01-43330)

 

http://www.outdoorbits.com/propane-adaptor-with-gauge-4330-p-710.html

 

to allow you to connect the SecuMotion pigtail to your Gaslow refillable bottle, never mind to connect it to a Spanish Jumbo adaptor.

 

To be LEGALLY acceptable for operating a gas-fuelled heater in a moving vehicle in any EU state, Truma's Secumotion system needs to have both parts installed - the specialised regulator and the specialised pigtail. But TECHNICALLY the SecuMotion regulator does not need the specialised pigtail.

 

Consequently, if you wanted to swap your SecuMotion pigtail for, say, a Gaslow stainless-steel pigtail with a 21.8LH end-fitting (ie. UK butane standard) with no rupture-protection device, this would present no technical problems. You'd just modify your 1-4 list into a 1-3 list as follows:

 

1. Open the cylinder’s valve.

2. Press gas flow monitor reset button (green button) on gas pressure regulation system slowly.

3. Release gas flow monitor reset button (green button) on gas pressure regulation system slowly (3 seconds).

 

As you always turn off your gas reservoir before driving, swapping to a different pigtail makes some sense.

Thanks Derek, yes i did realise the connection you describe but didn't post sufficiently lulidly to make this apparent, lol. Also the comments regarding the two parts of the secumotion set up are useful.

[bolero boy]

JudgeMental - 2012-05-01 6:13 PM

 

just using gas for cooking so hardly any at all. 2 weeks in, while dropping wife of at Alicante airport, I went to LPG station nearby and it was approx 7 euro I think to top up. we used heating on way down through France......So cheap to eat out dont cook much either. have used gas BBQ a few times...

 

my van has truma secure motion as well, and had to fit truma duo control as we have 2x11kg refillable bottles

 

while1 x 11kg may be OK most of the time.......In Spain not many LPG stations around. I would consider an under slung LPG tank,all depends on style of camping

Many thanks Eddie. We will be staying for around 3 months this time (with some of this on the journey through France and back) so will not be spending all in spain but i take your point. Hence, my attempt at a compromise with the Jumbo adaptor and a local swappable bottle a la Pelmetman.........

Rgds,

[JohnP]

This is the arrangement I use on my Bolero.

The secumotion regulator pigtail has been removed and all piping is stainless steel. The filler is located in the skirt below the gas locker and grey waterpipe is used to protect the filler pipe from the elements under the floor.

I always turn gas off when travelling, a habit from tugger days. About five seconds is usually necessary to prime the regulator.

You may need some gas type sealant on the Gaslow joints because they do not always seal properly even when new

[bolero boy]

Robinhood - 2012-05-01 6:20 PM

 

Chris,

 

AIUI, the button on the hose is to bypass the "rupture-protection" on start up, if the pressure in the hose has dropped.

 

The button on the regulator itself is associated with the flow-rate sensing, which is (supposedly) calibrated to the van.

 

If you remove the secumotion-specific hose, you will not have a system authorised for use on the move, but the system will still work (and the flow-rate sensing will still provide some additional protection, though I believe a standard regulator delivering against zero resistance will also provide protection).

 

The other forums abound with references from people who have taken on a Gaslow system, and replaced the secumotion-specific hoses with others (particulalrly stainless steel ones).

 

I think, having the basics of the system, I'd probably choose to retain the full protection, but that's just me (and I have to move clobber in the garage to get at the gas bottles to turn them off).

Thanks Robin, another angle to thing about - I may yet keep the Secumotion hose.

 

Rgds,

[bolero boy]

JohnP - 2012-05-01 7:38 PM

 

This is the arrangement I use on my Bolero.

The secumotion regulator pigtail has been removed and all piping is stainless steel. The filler is located in the skirt below the gas locker and grey waterpipe is used to protect the filler pipe from the elements under the floor.

I always turn gas off when travelling, a habit from tugger days. About five seconds is usually necessary to prime the regulator.

You may need some gas type sealant on the Gaslow joints because they do not always seal properly even when new

Thanks John, looks like you added a 2nd bottle later as they are two different types of Gaslow - one with the new style handle and guage. Was this the case, and if so, what made you add the 2nd bottle.

I was thinking of having just one 11kg in lieu of two 6kg - simpler (and cheaper) set up, but precludes the use of a 2nd (Continental/spanish) bottle without removal of the Gaslow one.

Thanks.

[colin]

Is it a SecureMotion or CS, I can tell you the CS works without having the correct rupture hose, although it's pretty much a waste having one without other.

[JohnP]

I had an 11kg and a 6kg bottle in a previous van. Thery would not fit into the Bolero so I sold the large on and bought another 6kg.

The reason I have two is that when the bottle in use is empty you always have a spare to switch over too

[Derek Uzzell]

colin - 2012-05-01 8:51 PM

 

Is it a SecureMotion or CS, I can tell you the CS works without having the correct rupture hose, although it's pretty much a waste having one without other.

 

A SecuMotion or a MonoControl/DuoControl CS regulator will operate perfectly satisfactorily without Truma's specialised rupture-protection hose.

 

The advantages of the CS product over SecuMotion lie primarily in the former's simplicity of installation and usage, as described in the Technical Details section here:

 

http://www.truma.com/uk/en/gas-supply/monocontrol-cs.php

 

Where the SecuMotion regulator might be considered to 'score' over CS is in its ability to react to a gas leak downstream of the regulator. Hence SecuMotion provides some safety-related protection even when the vehicle is stationary.

 

(Incidentally, non-Truma UK-standard propane 'pigtails' are readily available with a non-return/excess-flow valve designed to shut off the gas flow if the pigtail were severed or split.)

[Guest JudgeMental]

I have only ben down in Spain during April/May so no heating required. If you come in Jan/Feb you will probably need to warm the van in evenings and mornings first thing I would think....Your choice then will be use gas heating or site electrics and low wattage blow heater. this is normally metered and on our site 41 cents @ Kw. site next door 34 cents

 

just a thought......

[Dave Newell]

bolero boy - 2012-05-01 5:10 PM

 

I will be installing a Gaslow refillable system a little later in the year prior to a trip to France and Spain.

My locker only holds 2x6kg bottles or 1x11kg bottle (I have actually placed an 11kg Gaslow in the locker to check while visiting Outdoor Bits in Exmouth recently).

Following comments on an earlier thread about contingency in Spain with refill stations less plentiful than in France and other European countries, I am opting for the following set up. I currently have Secumotion fitted and my question concerns this and will come after the set up info.

•1 X 11Kg Refillable Bottle No.1

•1 X Filling Kit

•1 X Euro LPG Adaptor

•1 X LPG Adaptor for France / Italy

•1 x Spanish LPG adaptor.

•1 x Propane adaptor with guage 01-4330.

. 1 x Gaslow Jumbo Adaptor 01-1671

 

The Propane adaptor with guage will convert my Secumotion Propane hose to a std 21.8 LH fitting to allow connection of Jumbo adaptor for local Spanish bottles should refill prove an issue.

I realise i would have to remove the empty 11kg bottle to make room for the local bottle (or install 6kg refillable which is half the supply I normally carry).

 

The question is - as I haven't used Secumotion (I always turn off the gas prior to travel) I could replace the Secumotion hose with a std butane hose which will allow direct connetion to the Jumbo adaptor if required. However, as pointed out by Derek in a recent post, there is a process for priming the Secumotion system as follows -

 

1. Open the cylinder’s valve.

2. Firmly press the hose rupture protection device (green button) on the high pressure hose.

3. Press gas flow monitor reset button (green button) on gas pressure regulation system slowly.

4. Release gas flow monitor reset button (green button) on gas pressure regulation system slowly (3 seconds).

 

I will now not have the button mentioned in 2 above.

Do I still need to press and release the gas flow monitor reset button as in 3 and 4 above?

 

In short, does a Secumotion regulator require a Secumotion hose?

 

Hopefully not too confusing........................

PS Eddie, how has your gas been lasting during you stay, have you needed to refill since arriving there on site?

 

Thanks all.

 

 

I suggest you call Chris Wise at Autogas 200 in Thirsk and discuss the merits of Alugas in stead of Gaslow as its lighter and cheaper. Chris can also supply an adapter that allows \your standard POL hose with rupture protection to an Alugas or Gaslow cylinder.

 

D.

[bolero boy]

JohnP - 2012-05-01 9:03 PM

 

I had an 11kg and a 6kg bottle in a previous van. Thery would not fit into the Bolero so I sold the large on and bought another 6kg.

The reason I have two is that when the bottle in use is empty you always have a spare to switch over too

Thanks again, John - i could see they weren't bought together. The single 11kg I propose will carry almost the same amount of gas with less cost and complexity. The latest bottles come with a guage so I would be able to monitor contents and top up as required. This would still be necessarry after you had made the switch to your 2nd bottle.

Rgds,

[bolero boy]

JudgeMental - 2012-05-02 9:53 AM

 

I have only ben down in Spain during April/May so no heating required. If you come in Jan/Feb you will probably need to warm the van in evenings and mornings first thing I would think....Your choice then will be use gas heating or site electrics and low wattage blow heater. this is normally metered and on our site 41 cents @ Kw. site next door 34 cents

 

just a thought......

Good stuff, Eddie - cheers.

We would have been down south a while ago but have to be around at the end of June for a big Diamond Anniversary......................no, not THAT one..............my parents! We didnt want to have to return and cut short our stay so we will be setting off sometime in Aug. I know about the French and their hols...........

We will probably stay Sept/Oct this year and then do an overwinter next year if all goes well on the gas management front.

Thanks again for the first hand (first time??) Spanish info.

Cheers.

[bolero boy]

Dave Newell - 2012-05-02 10:08 AM

 

bolero boy - 2012-05-01 5:10 PM

 

I will be installing a Gaslow refillable system a little later in the year prior to a trip to France and Spain.

My locker only holds 2x6kg bottles or 1x11kg bottle (I have actually placed an 11kg Gaslow in the locker to check while visiting Outdoor Bits in Exmouth recently).

Following comments on an earlier thread about contingency in Spain with refill stations less plentiful than in France and other European countries, I am opting for the following set up. I currently have Secumotion fitted and my question concerns this and will come after the set up info.

•1 X 11Kg Refillable Bottle No.1

•1 X Filling Kit

•1 X Euro LPG Adaptor

•1 X LPG Adaptor for France / Italy

•1 x Spanish LPG adaptor.

•1 x Propane adaptor with guage 01-4330.

. 1 x Gaslow Jumbo Adaptor 01-1671

 

The Propane adaptor with guage will convert my Secumotion Propane hose to a std 21.8 LH fitting to allow connection of Jumbo adaptor for local Spanish bottles should refill prove an issue.

I realise i would have to remove the empty 11kg bottle to make room for the local bottle (or install 6kg refillable which is half the supply I normally carry).

 

The question is - as I haven't used Secumotion (I always turn off the gas prior to travel) I could replace the Secumotion hose with a std butane hose which will allow direct connetion to the Jumbo adaptor if required. However, as pointed out by Derek in a recent post, there is a process for priming the Secumotion system as follows -

 

1. Open the cylinder’s valve.

2. Firmly press the hose rupture protection device (green button) on the high pressure hose.

3. Press gas flow monitor reset button (green button) on gas pressure regulation system slowly.

4. Release gas flow monitor reset button (green button) on gas pressure regulation system slowly (3 seconds).

 

I will now not have the button mentioned in 2 above.

Do I still need to press and release the gas flow monitor reset button as in 3 and 4 above?

 

In short, does a Secumotion regulator require a Secumotion hose?

 

Hopefully not too confusing........................

PS Eddie, how has your gas been lasting during you stay, have you needed to refill since arriving there on site?

 

Thanks all.

 

 

I suggest you call Chris Wise at Autogas 200 in Thirsk and discuss the merits of Alugas in stead of Gaslow as its lighter and cheaper. Chris can also supply an adapter that allows \your standard POL hose with rupture protection to an Alugas or Gaslow cylinder.

 

D.

Thanks Dave. We have a local Alugas agent at Adventure Motorhomes so will give them a call.

Rgds,