pepe63xnotuse Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 1footinthegrave - 2012-05-31 10:44 AM God almighty, just picked up on this thread, if you are concerned about such a trivial matter in a world drowning in pollution of every kind the very best thing you could do is flog your vehicle and walk everywhere, or better still live in a mud hut and live off berries and don't move much at all. I agree with those sentiments...but it isn't a case of "..either.. or...". Just because too much stuff goes to landfill,is no reason to just think "..s*d it!..I'll empty my tanks when and where I see fit.." :-S Folk can't expect to bang on about how "unfriendly" the UK is for motorhomes one minute(..e.g Height barriers..and towns "banning" MHs from overnighting in their carparks or on their prom' etc etc) and yet at the same time,deem it to be "acceptable" to(as in the case in Ham's OP, to which I have been referring),just dump the contents of their tank all over a layby..and to be watched (and filmed ;-) )whilst doing it.. Not matter how "pure" it's contents..it wouldn't look very good would it?..and I dare say it wouldn't exactly endear us to "non motorhomers"... :-S (..next,they'll be folk complaining that the layby now has a "No Motorhome Parking sign" or a height barrier.. *-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Ah now you bring up another matter entirely when it comes to unfriendly UK PLC, in just the last couple of days we have returned from a CCC club site at St Davids, guess what, NO driveover waste dump point,oviously the CCC don't know about M/homes with onboard waste tanks, fast forward to France, not a single problem doing it the correct way at thousands of locations. At the CCC site my only option would have been a shallow bowl under the waste outlet, and a balancing act to walk to the emptying point, probably spilling most of it on the way. I may be wrong but considering what finds it's way from the road and pavements, petrol and oil residues, tyre debris, carceginic dust from friction linings, some relatively "clean" water with a drop of detergent from a M/home directly into a drain does not amount to a hill of beans in the great scheme of things, why in times of drought isn't the advice to use your dish washing water for the garden. I do however apologise for the fumes from my fags as I drive along adding to air pollution,I promise I will try to stop because I'm sure it has a major impact especially when compared to the average 40 tonne truck passing by doing 8 mpg to the gallon, like I said, bigger things to get a tizz about IMO ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 1footinthegrave - 2012-05-31 2:31 PM ... I may be wrong but considering what finds it's way from the road and pavements, petrol and oil residues, tyre debris, carceginic dust from friction linings, some relatively "clean" water with a drop of detergent from a M/home directly into a drain does not amount to a hill of beans in the great scheme of things, why in times of drought isn't the advice to use your dish washing water for the garden. Again,I agree.....but "two wrongs,don't make a right"...and the chap in the opening post, DIDN'T dispose of it directly into a drain..he just dumped it all over a layby...and WE know(assume?) that it was probably "clean" but I bet any "non motorhoming" members of the public who witnessed it wouldn't think so..... As I posted earlier in the thread,if it is that "acceptable" to just dump your grey waste on the road,then why isn't it common practice for folk to just dump their waste water on the roads outside their own houses...? (..although I suppose that would be different,after all,that's not "out of sight,out of mind" ;-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Well he was obviously out of order, just had a thought, perhaps the car wash operators could for a small fee allow grey water dumping considering the detergent used in their machines, and the inevitable vehicle contaminates washed off the average car, especially the more sophisticated under vehicle wash options available.. It would be interesting to know how their grey waste water is dealt with. 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 1footinthegrave - 2012-05-31 3:06 PM Well he was obviously out of order, just had a thought, perhaps the car wash operators could for a small fee allow grey water dumping considering the detergent used in their machines, and the inevitable vehicle contaminates washed off the average car, especially the more sophisticated under vehicle wash options available.. It would be interesting to know how their grey waste water is dealt with. 8-) Might be wrong......but I think they recycle it ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 pelmetman - 2012-05-31 3:16 PM 1footinthegrave - 2012-05-31 3:06 PM .... just had a thought, perhaps the car wash operators could for a small fee allow grey water dumping .. It would be interesting to know how their grey waste water is dealt with. 8-) Might be wrong......but I think they recycle it ;-) Although one would like to "assume" that they would filter it....Can you imagine the scenario..? "Oi!..Why has my car got bl**dy bits of pasta and skin flakes all over it....?!" (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douzeper Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 1footinthegrave - 2012-05-31 10:44 AM God almighty, just picked up on this thread, if you are concerned about such a trivial matter in a world drowning in pollution of every kind the very best thing you could do is flog your vehicle and walk everywhere, or better still live in a mud hut and live off berries and don't move much at all. The very moment you turn the ignition key your adding to pollution, whilst I agree dumping on the ground on a site should not happen, I've lost count of the number of vanners who put their waste containers out for "effect" then leave them overflowing. There are bigger fish to fry in the polution stakes, I'd start with the supermarkets and all the land fill crap they create for starters, not to mention the pollution created with the manufacture of all those oh so convenient plastic ready meals containers, and don't get me started on Dog crap, ;-) +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douzeper Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Tracker - 2012-05-29 8:21 PM Probably the smokers would!! Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBill Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I sall not be waving at anyone this weekend as I am too busy checking for dribles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crinklystarfish Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 1footinthegrave - 2012-05-31 3:06 PMWell he was obviously out of order, just had a thought, perhaps the car wash operators could for a small fee allow grey water dumping considering the detergent used in their machines, and the inevitable vehicle contaminates washed off the average car, especially the more sophisticated under vehicle wash options available.. It would be interesting to know how their grey waste water is dealt with. 8-) Like this. This is the run-off from a local garage's car wash and it happens because they have failed to build adequate traps. When their traps silt up, the waste water overflows and runs down a public footway, then onto the road. It continues downhill for about 150m before draining into a gulley pot right next to a local river. I don't know if the gulley pot discharges into the river. It goes on flowing for weeks at a time before the garage bring in their drains pumping truck to sort it. During those weeks the water combines with general detritus to create a silt laden stinking 'feature' for pedestrians and road traffic alike. The Local Authority have been informed and have seemingly done absolutely nothing. The Environment Agency have been informed and seemingly done absolutely nothing. Maybe if you are a corporate giant you can do what you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 crinklystarfish - 2012-06-01 9:03 AM1footinthegrave - 2012-05-31 3:06 PMWell he was obviously out of order, just had a thought, perhaps the car wash operators could for a small fee allow grey water dumping considering the detergent used in their machines, and the inevitable vehicle contaminates washed off the average car, especially the more sophisticated under vehicle wash options available.. It would be interesting to know how their grey waste water is dealt with. 8-)Like this.This is the run-off from a local garage's car wash and it happens because they have failed to build adequate traps. When their traps silt up, the waste water overflows and runs down a public footway, then onto the road. It continues downhill for about 150m before draining into a gulley pot right next to a local river. I don't know if the gulley pot discharges into the river.It goes on flowing for weeks at a time before the garage bring in their drains pumping truck to sort it. During those weeks the water combines with general detritus to create a silt laden stinking 'feature' for pedestrians and road traffic alike.The Local Authority have been informed and have seemingly done absolutely nothing. The Environment Agency have been informed and seemingly done absolutely nothing.Maybe if you are a corporate giant you can do what you like.I think I am correct in saying that under the latest "Local Authority Legislation" it is now Possible to "Force" the L-A to take action?. No doubt someone with more knowledge of recent changes will be able to advise?Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 colin - 2012-05-29 2:50 PM PeteH - 2012-05-28 10:17 PM By Contrast we also had many nights on "Full Hookup" which comprised Water, 50Amp electric, AND adjacent sewer connection, Cable TV AND free WiFi.Often for the princely sum of LESS than £10pn!!! (and an average of about the £18pn mark) I have had FREE camping with water and electric on Casino`s too, before to-day!!. We once stayed at a Rodeo Ground for FREE including tickets for the rodeo!!! In 2010 we where in the South West, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, it was generaly the most expensive commercial sites we've ever stayed on, and if busy as at weekends you can end up in what seems like a glorified carpark with hookups, on otherhand staying at National Forest sites we liked much better, no hookups or such like, just water taps and long drop toilets, vans a good 100yd apart and just a few dollars a night, there was one reservation site I particlary liked, it was dirty, desolate, dusty and little facilaties, but when you've been brought up on a diet of John Wayne films it's a must visit location. We have had some expensive sites too. But we also have "passport America" which gives us 50% off at times. The Wilderness Parks are gorgeous too. But with the Decline in the US economy a lot of the States have had to put up their prices OR risk closure due to reduced funding from State Government(s) IE; California, for example, is virtually Bankrupt!!!. If it loads, the photo is of the 2012 "Brits: Rally" @ Quartzite, in February. pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 1footinthegrave - 2012-05-31 2:31 PM Ah now you bring up another matter entirely when it comes to unfriendly UK PLC, in just the last couple of days we have returned from a CCC club site at St Davids, guess what, NO driveover waste dump point,oviously the CCC don't know about M/homes with onboard waste tanks, fast forward to France, not a single problem doing it the correct way at thousands of locations. At the CCC site my only option would have been a shallow bowl under the waste outlet, and a balancing act to walk to the emptying point, probably spilling most of it on the way. I may be wrong but considering what finds it's way from the road and pavements, petrol and oil residues, tyre debris, carceginic dust from friction linings, some relatively "clean" water with a drop of detergent from a M/home directly into a drain does not amount to a hill of beans in the great scheme of things, why in times of drought isn't the advice to use your dish washing water for the garden. I do however apologise for the fumes from my fags as I drive along adding to air pollution,I promise I will try to stop because I'm sure it has a major impact especially when compared to the average 40 tonne truck passing by doing 8 mpg to the gallon, like I said, bigger things to get a tizz about IMO ;-) Today tried to use 'drive over' grey waste drain at inverewe ccc, i thi k they need to talk to a van owner before they install them, gave up trying to get over it and dumped up on tarmac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBill Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Could do with more dumping of grey on the roads down here to get rid of the large amount of sh!* on the roads from the farm vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 If you do it tomorrow (Friday 6th July) it will be so diluted by the volume of rain no one will be able to notice. :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBill Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Is it going to rain tomorrow? We could do with the water for the gardens and reservoirs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Hi Everyone, I know this topic is quite an important matter, with respects, but I'm finding your posts highly amusing ....so witty..good entertainment...love this motorhoming lark BRILL :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Hi Noodles - welcome to the nut house! If you think this one is a laugh, have a look at the cassette loo one!!! :D (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Hi Mel B Have just been reading that one...what a load of crap hey....:-D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 1footinthegrave - 2012-05-31 2:31 PM At the CCC site my only option would have been a shallow bowl under the waste outlet, and a balancing act to walk to the emptying point, probably spilling most of it on the way. So why not try, you will get much better at 'balancing'! colin - 2012-07-05 5:34 PM Today tried to use 'drive over' grey waste drain at inverewe ccc, i think they need to talk to a van owner before they install them, gave up trying to get over it and dumped up on tarmac. This is one reason why some people carry a Wastemaster or similar, so that they can deal with disposal sensibly despite the Club's inability to provide 'state of the art' drive over wastes. Some sites have them, others don't - but that doesn't mean that disposal cant be managed properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keninpalamos Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Don't beat yourself's up over this subject. All of you that have owned or hired boats on rivers and cannals or seen narrow boats in a marina know that it is standard proceedure to pump "grey" water straight out the side of the vessel and nobody says a word. Go and ask the people on board as they don't have a problem with it. I've never heard of a boat being built with a "grey" water tank....or an ash tray! Another point is that the 2 stroke outboard motors that have been around for years dispose of the oil in the fuel mix through the exhaust which as you know is release under water as the engine burns very little of the oil and what little it does burn ends up in the atmosphere as carbon monoxcide. The rest stays in the water and can be seen as a film floating on the top of the water which you can see in most still water marina's and ports. Go to any fishing port on the costa's of Spain and you can see great big Mullet fish in the water. The Spanish don't eat them as they taste like Shell.......or BP, Esso and so on. Be discreet by all means as it can save you a great deal of grieve from Mr and Mrs Know-all who create more pollution washing their cars than your grey tank ever will. So enjoy you van, it's later than you think :-) . BIffo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 bolero boy - 2012-07-07 10:07 AM 1footinthegrave - 2012-05-31 2:31 PM At the CCC site my only option would have been a shallow bowl under the waste outlet, and a balancing act to walk to the emptying point, probably spilling most of it on the way. So why not try, you will get much better at 'balancing'! colin - 2012-07-05 5:34 PM Today tried to use 'drive over' grey waste drain at inverewe ccc, i think they need to talk to a van owner before they install them, gave up trying to get over it and dumped up on tarmac. This is one reason why some people carry a Wastemaster or similar, so that they can deal with disposal sensibly despite the Club's inability to provide 'state of the art' drive over wastes. Some sites have them, others don't - but that doesn't mean that disposal cant be managed properly. The site at Inverewe has a motorhome service point that is incapeble of acepting 'standard' euro grey waste disposal, so we did the same as the two previous vans, the two commercial sites we've stayed on since had no such problems, why do ccc go to bother of building something that doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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