Bolly1965 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Notices yesterday in The Sun, that the EU are planning to ban modified cars by making any car fail its MoT if it is modified in any way from how it left the factory. This would completely mean the end to A-frames, cars with non standard wheels, updated suspension (this would include air suspension on motor homes) stainless steel exhaust, in fact any aftermarket add on. this will destroy the classic car, custom car, kit car scene, along with some 28,000 jobs in the UK I cannot paste a link as I'm using an iPad and am unfamiliar with it, but I have been aware of this for some time. There is a petition against this on the government web site, which I will post a link to when I get home. If this is passed in its original form will it mean our motor homes will have to be returned to a chassis cab before they will pass an MoT? this has far reaching implications and I think it's time we stood up and said we will no longer be dictated to by the Eurocrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 A totally ludicrous proposal. As long as the vehicle is safe, as is already tested in the anual MOT, where's the problem? Next we will all be required to wear the same clothes and have our hair done in a certain way. Bunch of jobsworth idiots. The manufacturers don't always get it right either. So no more re-calls will be allowed, in order to make modifications required to put right their cock ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crinklystarfish Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Feeding time at the monkey enclosure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B. Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 This has been going on for sometime with regard to motorcycles also. There have been mass protests and rallies in France, Brussells and Strasburg. An action group has been lobbying the MEPs etc-perhaps if this is now spreading to cars etc it is the thin edge of the wedge and needs to be stopped-ie contact your MP/MEP and let them know or start a petition on line? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJay Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Another good reason to GET Out of EU??? The beaurocrats in Brussels must be running out of work?, so lets think of some silly/stupid act we can. Got to keep there jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 My worst fears have been realised - that there would be Sun-readers participating on the Out&AboutLive forums. ;-) This is the Sun's "Oh my God it's them EU Bolloxocrats again" piece http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/motors/4525010/EUs-MoT-war-on-pimping-up-British-cars.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallii Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 This has been the case in France and Germany for some time, you are not allowed to alter the vehicle from standard. So if France and Germany have the laws it must be good enough for the rest of the EU? The French laws obviously don't apply to mopeds as every one I have heard over there has a straight through exhaust on it! H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 A little bird tells me that this is all nonsense. The Sun, inevitably, but unhelpfully, gives no title to the proposal, nor does it say from where it arises, so it is impossible to check. Wonder why? :-) However, pretty well all vehicles are now Type Approved and, if wanting a modification, it has long been the case in France and Germany that the modification has to be entered onto the vehicle's documentation. It also has to have been verified by a competent person, in France via les Mines, approximately their equivalent of VOSA. This means unauthorised mods are illegal, but authorised mods entirely legal. That, so far as I am aware, is all that is involved. The modification must either be installed by, or checked by, an authorised person, who either provides a certificate confirming that, to enable the owner to have the registration document modified, or submits the registration document for modification. Motorhomes are not generally modified mechanically, merely structurally, and, under the TA procedure, the process of approval passes from base manufacturer to finisher in stages, so that what ultimately leaves the converter's factory is fully Type Approved, carries a Certificate of Conformity, and can legally be registered. Suspension modifications, such as full air substitution for coil and leaf springs, can already be made under these procedures, either during conversion, or by after market specialists. So, apart from the Sun reporter's ability to research, read, and understand, before printing Europhobic twaddle, I can't see what there is to get excited about. If it restricts people from making unsafe mods, such as boosting engine power and leaving braking untouched, for example, it seem to me it would be a good thing for the UK to adopt procedures similar to those already in place in France and Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolly1965 Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 Derek Uzzell - 2012-09-08 10:03 AM My worst fears have been realised - that there would be Sun-readers participating on the Out&AboutLive forums. ;-) This is the Sun's "Oh my God it's them EU Bolloxocrats again" piece http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/motors/4525010/EUs-MoT-war-on-pimping-up-British-cars.html It wasn't my sun I was reading! How very dare you incinerate that I would buy such a rag. the only other alternative was The Mirror, but I'd run out of loo roll.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Bolly1965 - 2012-09-08 9:02 AM This has far reaching implications and I think it's time we stood up and said we will no longer be dictated to by the Eurocrats. British??? "Stand up"??? More chance of Hell freezing over! We do as we are told, roll over and meekly accept everything. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallii Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 If adopted, new laws would make the removal of EGR valves, "chipping" or tuning engines, changing tyre sizes, changing wheel sizes or switching to alloys, modifying lights, (no more blinding foglights on without fog,hooray) and so much more. Most of this would be good, but some would be onerous for the driver and anyway who would know at first glance if an engine had been modified? I reckon I could up the compression ratio, turn the turbo up, change the fuel injection and timing, remove the innards from a catalyser and get significant improvements in power. All of this would be hard to detect unless they put it through a full engineers examination. I suspect that like many other EU laws, it will be adopted and then found to be impossible to enforce, so then it will sit on the statute books but be quietly ignored. Of far greater concern should be the criminally dangerous spare parts that are flooding into this country from abroad. Wheel bearings that fail after 100 miles, brake pads made out of cow dung, tyres that would be dangerous on a tractor trailer, and even sold using well known and reputable manufacturers logos etc. printed on the box. Off my soapbox now. H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolly1965 Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 I know, I know, we're British the biggest outcry is a muted 'tut' here's the link to the government e-petittion: https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/37784 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Is this the item that is referred to? http://tinyurl.com/cmazsm9 Scroll to the bottom and click on "Proposal for a regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council on periodic roadworthiness tests for motor vehicles and their trailers and repealing Directive 2009/40/EC [78 KB]". Dated 13 July 2012. I can't see where the restrictions cited come in, but maybe someone else can. Can't see how this would be a plot, either, as it is openly available from the Europa website. Changes in vehicles are referred to, so are presumably not banned. Concerning the assessment of deficiencies, (Article 7, page 17) the document proposes: When carrying out a roadworthiness test, the inspector shall attribute to each deficiency detected a level of severity and classify it into one of the following groups: – minor deficiencies having no significant effect on the safety of the vehicle and other minor non-compliances, – major deficiencies that may prejudice the safety of the vehicle or put other road users at risk or other more significant non-compliances, – dangerous deficiencies that constitute a direct and immediate risk to road safety such that the vehicle may not be used on the road under any circumstances. If this is the document that has been so widely reported, it seems clear the emphasis is on vehicle safety, and it is difficult to see where items such as alloy wheels would come into consideration, unless cracked or distorted so as be be dangerous. Look also at the various test regimens around Europe, and it is clear the UK is currently the most stringent, and that it comprehensively exceeds the above EU proposals. If there is another document, with more stringent proposals along the lines of those reported, can anyone point to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Brian Kirby - 2012-09-08 5:58 PM Is this the item that is referred to? http://tinyurl.com/cmazsm9 Scroll to the bottom and click on "Proposal for a regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council on periodic roadworthiness tests for motor vehicles and their trailers and repealing Directive 2009/40/EC [78 KB]". Dated 13 July 2012. I can't see where the restrictions cited come in, but maybe someone else can. Can't see how this would be a plot, either, as it is openly available from the Europa website. Changes in vehicles are referred to, so are presumably not banned. Concerning the assessment of deficiencies, (Article 7, page 17) the document proposes: When carrying out a roadworthiness test, the inspector shall attribute to each deficiency detected a level of severity and classify it into one of the following groups: – minor deficiencies having no significant effect on the safety of the vehicle and other minor non-compliances, – major deficiencies that may prejudice the safety of the vehicle or put other road users at risk or other more significant non-compliances, – dangerous deficiencies that constitute a direct and immediate risk to road safety such that the vehicle may not be used on the road under any circumstances. If this is the document that has been so widely reported, it seems clear the emphasis is on vehicle safety, and it is difficult to see where items such as alloy wheels would come into consideration, unless cracked or distorted so as be be dangerous. Look also at the various test regimens around Europe, and it is clear the UK is currently the most stringent, and that it comprehensively exceeds the above EU proposals. If there is another document, with more stringent proposals along the lines of those reported, can anyone point to it? There you go again Brian *-)...............being all sensible and ruining a good rant >:-( ...............I was just about to suggest............" anging is too good for the likes of them" :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Collings Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I am In the process of putting my 47 Riley RMA back on the road. First the mechanical and electrical system to sort out and then build a special body to my own design. Its classed as a rebody so no SVA test to woryy about or Road Tax or MOT required. Rebuilt the steering box today. The car has probably been round the clock but there was no significant wear. With a bit of luck it will see me out. Freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klyne Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Thank goodness we have someone like Brian to put it all in perspective. If these new regulations come into affect they will no doubt protect the restroration of Classic cars. Who in their right mind would want to mess around with a new vehicle. If its not powerful enough clearly someone has purchased the wrong power option? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Collings Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 There are many who do enjoy modifying their cars. The only good reaason to stop them is if there were a significant number of collisions caused by altering vehicles. Compared with those due to driver error its almost certainly not worth the paper its written on. By all means seek to improve vehicle safety but the real problem is the nut behind the wheel. According to an article in theTelegraph on 25/08/2011 quoting from an I.A.M report. Vehicle defects are a factor in only 2.8 per cent of fatals, with tyres mostly to blame (1.5 per cent) followed by dodgy brakes (0.7 per cent. That leaves a possible 0.6 percent other defects and most of those will be due to wear and tear not modification. Talk about sledgehammers and nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B. Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I can't think what's wrong with buying a 10 year old Corsa, lowering the suspension, putting on a big bore silencer, Pair of 18" diameter speakers, 2 furry dice and obligatory blonde in a shell suit and driving round town with cd/radio on at 500decibels at all. Oh and blacking out the windows of course! What's wrong with these Eurocrats? Mike :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Mike B. - 2012-09-09 10:32 PM I can't think what's wrong with buying a 10 year old Corsa, lowering the suspension, putting on a big bore silencer, Pair of 18" diameter speakers, 2 furry dice and obligatory blonde in a shell suit and driving round town with cd/radio on at 500decibels at all. Oh and blacking out the windows of course! What's wrong with these Eurocrats? Mike :-D But everyone will be laughing at you without the VXR sticker on the rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Klyne - 2012-09-09 8:02 PM Thank goodness we have someone like Brian to put it all in perspective. David[/quote Careful now. Brian might be working for ' them ' and covering up this draconian plot. Don't drop your guard. You have been warned. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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