Guest JudgeMental Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 this was being discussed on another thread and getting lost. earlier non tow bar fitting one was very expensive, and this not cheap either, but If I had not had door mounted rack fitted I would have gone for this :-S 75 Kg and can be used on cars with towbar £544 + delivery... http://www.fietsendragervoorbuscamper.nl/ maybe this clearer as you can enlarge image... http://www.campersite.nl/article.php/fietsen-drager-buscamper-070312 here you can see the other version on a van, you will need to scroll through pics.and yes it is on a PV without sliding door.... http://tinyurl.com/7ew9m2m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 actually last link looks like the (white) expensive busbiker version @ 1200€ :-S http://www.busbiker.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 getting fed up of my crap thule door mounted rack so revisiting these swing out racks again...just wondered if anyone has any ideas on them. Hugh has one of the busbiker models and seems happy enough. was going to wait till I decided if I was going to change the van, but guess I could move it from vehicle to vehicle..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 armitage dont want to know...so does anyone know or can suggest a UK fabricator that may look at producing one of these swing out bike racks please :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Hi Eddie.. It may be worth asking this lot?.... http://www.pwsacc.co.uk/index.htm ..as they look as if they like trying their hand at different products... Having said that, I would've thought that any semi decent,local fabrication/engineering workshop should be able to help you?....especially if supplied with details/ photos of an existing product... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 cheers Pepe. have just found this: and another one from thule but after my last 2 thule racks fell to bits *-) http://www.mweracks.com/ it come to just over £400 for rack and two bike wheel cradles plus shipping for California and duty here i suspect..have emailed them. it looks real strong (unlike thule *-)) will need to fit a towbar first but that I can do myself, but I like this solution as can use rack on different vehicles....I have the electrics already for existing lighting board The dutch company have failed to respond to emails and they don't have a phone number *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 JudgeMental - 2013-09-13 11:31 AM http://www.mweracks.com/ I do like the look of that..... ;-) Although I would want to be sourcing the heaviest duty towbar mounting I could find...as there'll be a helluva lot of leverage from that.... Also...don't forget to bear in mind that the Yank tow-bars, tend to be of a slide-in/box section type..and not the bolt-on method that we use... (..Otherwise, if it's not compatible, you'll be back to square one, looking for a fabricator to fashion a suitable tow-bar/mount..).. And if it does come out at 400quid(plus shipping),then for a sturdy,tried and tested(I assume? (lol) )product, then I think that's pretty good... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 have emailed your guys the link and indespension as well... :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crinklystarfish Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 How about thinking outside the box chaps? Free the rear door area altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 For shame crinkles! What about the children! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowie Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 crinklystarfish - 2013-09-13 5:21 PM How about thinking outside the box chaps? Free the rear door area altogether. I'm all for thinking outside the box Crinkles, but how does this conform to any pedestrian safety legislation? A bit more aggressive/dangerous than a three pointed star or silver lady? Haven't there been issues with Bullbars. Back inside the box......... The "Bike-Rider" @ 650Euro looks better value than the "BusBiker"@ 1200Euro, but I like the simplicity of the "BusBiker", and that's the way I was heading with my own design. Both look as though they might take a fair slice of our payload, neither product gives any indication of total weight, as far as I can see. (I note Judge quotes 75Kg for the "BikeRider" Our requirements have changed since I first looked at this, and I'm reconsidering folding bikes that would fit in our underbed "shed" (a bit small to be called a garage) and would not increase the length of our 6M Ducato, which for future European trips, bridges and ferries, could be important, and would maintain more of our payload. Regards alan b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Folders not as nice to ride as a proper bike..20 inch wheel ones a real compromise and most smaller a joke (excluding expensive Brompton). they also take up a hell of a lot of room, 2 really not practical in a 6 m van. As for ferries 6 or 6.5 metres makes no difference as far as I can tell..certainly not on DFDS or the tunnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crinklystarfish Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I think the children would like it too Judge ;-) Would anything from the Altera Strada 'slider' range work as a starting point? http://www.atera.co.uk/bike-carriers-racks.php From designing and fabricating stuff for the truck I know there's a lot of head scratching and hassle involved in designing and building anything with pivots, especially for something like this application as it has to be light yet very strong. Can be done, of course, but a one off with a big company might be a dear do - if they'll look at it at all. Another 'out of the boxer' might be a mini version of one of the trucky-chap's quad-pod (full size quad bike carried in that box). Bikes would be safe, out of the weather, and could be left on site in their own little shed. Omnia would make a very light box to whatever size was needed and it wouldn't be that tough to work out a manual or electric hoist. Any 'accessible vehicle' converter would be a good starting point. Of course, this could easily stay with the owner and be transferred between vehicles. Just getting my head round what I might consider - not claiming the ideas should be appealing. Truth is, having gone round in circles with this one on other 'vans, I'm now loathe to have (decent quality) bikes outside when travelling at all. They take a battering from the elements and are just thief bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 not kids anymore hence why we only need a 2 bike rack. as we do meet up with them on holidays but they fly. I know what you mean about the swing mechanism but its practical with a 2 door van that needs access. The american (http://www.mweracks.com/red-october) reponded immediately so chatting to them now while I was happy with demountables something like the quad out of the question as license restricted to 3500kg (diabetic) let alone the cost of something like that. like to keep van cost circa 40K that way I can justify flying of somewhere hot and interesting. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Eddie - it may be worth having a look at the AL-KO range (no idea of price though) http://www.al-ko.co.uk/pages/agito-120.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Thanks Flicka..link dont work though. found another video of the bus-camper rack, this time fitted on moi's Adria twin!*-) (:-D). I like this in one as no heavy tow bar needed, must fix of to same part of chassis as a tow bar..Hugh who has one is going to get some photos during the week (van in storage) all we need then is to find an enterprising soul who can knock a few out! :D http://www.buscamper.nl/nieuws/2_busbiker-assortiment-uitgebreid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughman Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 As far as I can see, it must replace the original metal rear bumper. It bolts to the chassis, with an extension on the right hand side to strengthen it as that's the point of greatest strain when you swing out the rack. The original bumper cover is then refitted over the unit itself. It's wired into lighting circuits at the rear, with a standard towing plug and socket, so you can detach the rack completely if necessary. It's just done us over 5000 miles in 6 weeks around Europe, up hill and down dale, carrying 2 ebikes, with no problems at all. I'll try and upload photos later I'm not very good at that :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I'm talking to a few fabricators to get an idea.... :-D My idea more simple. as I will use the fold down carrier and bike clamps from my old Thule rack. so a hinged bracket across with to fixings to take this: http://www.leisureshopdirect.com/caravan/caravan_accessories/product_40309/rack_omni-bke_sport_2_door_bike_rack.aspx Then a simple upright to take 2 bike clamps like these: http://www.leisureshopdirect.com/caravan/home/omnistor_bike_racks/omni-bike_bike_holders.aspx here is video again of the real thing:-D http://www.buscamper.nl/nieuws/2_busbiker-assortiment-uitgebreid edit: I have Hugh's photos and I cant upload either:-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 here is another more simple idea...Fit this tow bar. have a look on link and click on "fitting instructions". it shows how it attaches to chassis. this has a nose weight of 100kg so more then adequate. could just cut of flange and fit swing out arm to this.... http://www.towbars-uk.co.uk/product/6375/fiat-ducato-van-%28inc.-models-with-reversing-sensors%29-inc.-maxi fitting instructions. like I suspected you need to remove and refit bumper http://www.towbars-uk.co.uk/fitting_instructions/12757701745868.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 I have had details from holland re another swing out rack. this one fits to a flange tow bar, and you fit a tow bar bike rack to it, so its heavier, and by the time you buy the 3 components..tow bar/swing arm/ and bike rack its not far of the flash version :-S if you have a tow bar and bikes rack already it makes more sense. pursuing my DIY version, but welder on a months holiday so will have to wait till I get back from Spain anyway.... Pepe you have email!!! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Hi Eddie.. I'll have a bit of a look tomorrow..and see what options I can come across... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hi Eddie The AL-KO rack appears to be fitted to the chassis tow-bar mounting points & is detachable when not required. They also have a jockey wheel to take strain off the swing hinge. If you have problem with the previous link, try :- http://www.al-ko.co.uk/ Then select "Motorhome Accessories" under the "Catagories" tab When in the "Motorhome Accessories" select "Sawiko Load Carriers" Then "Sawiko Product Range" & then either "Agito 120 or150" figure indicates load rating in KG's. They are available in UK or AL-KO Sawiko dealers on mainland Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Flicka can't see any swing out bike racks on that Link...making some headway with the DIY approach....as now know name of type of hinges required thanks to Pepe.... They look simple enough but from an engineering perspective need some thought...more or less on hold till I get back from Spain :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 http://www.al-ko.co.uk/pages/agito-120.html http://www.al-ko.co.uk/pages/agito-150-2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Thanks, have emailed them for info and price,,probably more expensive than Hughes £1200 one *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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