Imigration

[Tracker]

cerro - 2013-01-11 7:37 PM

I all ready speak three Languages German, decent French and fluent Pit Talk.

 

So do I - Gobledegook, utter nonsense and almost fluent English, whilst poor old Dave is still stuck on basic Detmetmania - too much sun methinks has addled his noddle!!

[Brian Kirby]

1footinthegrave - 2013-01-11 7:37 PM........................Here's some reading to get you up to speed with Islamic terrorists attacks if you care to take a look, then tell me my comments were a little unfair.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

Yep, you are being unfair, because you are saying they are all proto terrorists because some of them are terrorists. What you need to do is look at the numbers actually involved as terrorists, compared to the numbers of practising Muslims in the world. It is a vary small proportion of highly destructive nutters.

 

However, apart from blowing off steam on here, what is your remedy? Nuke the lot? Or what? It is not a case of "getting it", or not, it is a case of what can be done to change their mindsets. They will change, but it will also take a great deal of time. It takes time to eliminate ignorance. I said I think Afghanistan is a mistake, not that I think we are doing any good there, or that I am content to see our forces lose their lives there. Where on earth did that idea come from? For what it is worth, I think we are watching a very costly face saving exercise. Neither the US nor the UK wants to admit to the rest of the world that we got it badly wrong, so we are trying to get to a point where we can say we have done some good. Then we shall make a sharp exit claiming victory, whatever that means, and Afghanistan will quickly slide back whence it came. Pointless. So, what is you solution?

[Guest pelmetman]

Tracker - 2013-01-11 7:47 PM

 

cerro - 2013-01-11 7:37 PM

I all ready speak three Languages German, decent French and fluent Pit Talk.

 

So do I - Gobledegook, utter nonsense and almost fluent English, whilst poor old Dave is still stuck on basic Detmetmania - too much sun methinks has addled his noddle!!

 

PAH!!! *-).................Just three languages 8-).............I'll have you know I'm fluent in "Lower deck" "Cockney" and "talking b*llocks" not to mention "Total b*llocks"...........and I have a first in teaching "Johnny foreigner English" ;-)..........But most importantly when international communication is involved :D

 

I'm a natural at pointing and shouting loudly in English which has worked all over the world..............even Skegness 8-)

[Guest 1footinthegrave]

Brian Kirby - 2013-01-11 7:52 PM

 

1footinthegrave - 2013-01-11 7:37 PM........................Here's some reading to get you up to speed with Islamic terrorists attacks if you care to take a look, then tell me my comments were a little unfair.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

Yep, you are being unfair, because you are saying they are all proto terrorists because some of them are terrorists. What you need to do is look at the numbers actually involved as terrorists, compared to the numbers of practising Muslims in the world. It is a vary small proportion of highly destructive nutters.

 

However, apart from blowing off steam on here, what is your remedy? Nuke the lot? Or what? It is not a case of "getting it", or not, it is a case of what can be done to change their mindsets. They will change, but it will also take a great deal of time. It takes time to eliminate ignorance. I said I think Afghanistan is a mistake, not that I think we are doing any good there, or that I am content to see our forces lose their lives there. Where on earth did that idea come from? For what it is worth, I think we are watching a very costly face saving exercise. Neither the US nor the UK wants to admit to the rest of the world that we got it badly wrong, so we are trying to get to a point where we can say we have done some good. Then we shall make a sharp exit claiming victory, whatever that means, and Afghanistan will quickly slide back whence it came. Pointless. So, what is you solution?

 

Trust me,you don't want to know, but it's pointless going on, you think everything in the garden is fine and dandy, and as for them changing, well it ain't happened so far in hundreds of years so I would not hold your breath, you might be an optimist, I think I'm a realist, let's leave it at that shall we.

 

Oh I'll be out tomorrow, off to a stoning.

[Guest pelmetman]

Brian Kirby - 2013-01-11 7:52 PM

It takes time to eliminate ignorance.

 

Not wrong there Brian ;-)...................

 

As for Afghanistan *-)..................even I as a thick bloke knew it was a hiding for nuffink 8-)

[nightrider]

pelmetman - 2013-01-11 8:00 PM

 

Tracker - 2013-01-11 7:47 PM

 

cerro - 2013-01-11 7:37 PM

I all ready speak three Languages German, decent French and fluent Pit Talk.

 

So do I - Gobledegook, utter nonsense and almost fluent English, whilst poor old Dave is still stuck on basic Detmetmania - too much sun methinks has addled his noddle!!

 

PAH!!! *-).................Just three languages 8-).............I'll have you know I'm fluent in "Lower deck" "Cockney" and "talking b*llocks" not to mention "Total b*llocks"...........and I have a first in teaching "Johnny foreigner English" ;-)..........But most importantly when international communication is involved :D

 

I'm a natural at pointing and shouting loudly in English which has worked all over the world..............even Skegness 8-)

Dave, you're my hero.

 

[thebishbus]

Perhaps a start to make integration easier, would be to only allow religious services and main school education to be in English. Maybe time to ban single faith schools, except voluntary attended ones out of main school hours. This should encourage more people to learn English and may discourage some of the religious nutters from coming over here. In Birmingham Muslim parents are taking their children out our schools and putting them in their single faith schools. A backward step for integration I think.

Brian B.

[Guest pelmetman]

knight of the road - 2013-01-11 9:17 PM

 

pelmetman - 2013-01-11 8:00 PM

 

Tracker - 2013-01-11 7:47 PM

 

cerro - 2013-01-11 7:37 PM

I all ready speak three Languages German, decent French and fluent Pit Talk.

 

So do I - Gobledegook, utter nonsense and almost fluent English, whilst poor old Dave is still stuck on basic Detmetmania - too much sun methinks has addled his noddle!!

 

PAH!!! *-).................Just three languages 8-).............I'll have you know I'm fluent in "Lower deck" "Cockney" and "talking b*llocks" not to mention "Total b*llocks"...........and I have a first in teaching "Johnny foreigner English" ;-)..........But most importantly when international communication is involved :D

 

I'm a natural at pointing and shouting loudly in English which has worked all over the world..............even Skegness 8-)

Dave, you're my hero.

 

You've made I blush Malcolm :$....................As I reckon when it comes to " Knowing Natural right and wrong" there are few as right as you B-)

[malc d]

cerro - 2013-01-10 8:41 PM

 

If all these immigrants coming here that are now out numbering English people in major cities, I can see in a few hundred years time we are going to lose our identity.

 

 

 

 

I think that is probably true, but as I reckon I've only got twenty years (absolute maximum) left, I have taken the decision not to worry about it.

 

;-)

[Guest pelmetman]

malc d - 2013-01-11 9:30 PM

 

cerro - 2013-01-10 8:41 PM

 

If all these immigrants coming here that are now out numbering English people in major cities, I can see in a few hundred years time we are going to lose our identity.

 

 

 

 

I think that is probably true, but as I reckon I've only got twenty years (absolute maximum) left, I have taken the decision not to worry about it.

 

;-)

 

Wimp :D

[malc d]

pelmetman - 2013-01-11 9:39 PM

 

 

 

 

Wimp :D

 

 

Better to be a live wimp than a dead hero.

 

 

;-)

[Guest pelmetman]

malc d - 2013-01-11 9:48 PM

 

pelmetman - 2013-01-11 9:39 PM

 

 

 

 

Wimp :D

 

 

Better to be a live wimp than a dead hero.

 

 

;-)

 

Aaaah........ a wimp after my own heart ;-)

[Brian Kirby]

1footinthegrave - 2013-01-11 8:25 PM...............Trust me,you don't want to know, but it's pointless going on, you think everything in the garden is fine and dandy, and as for them changing, well it ain't happened so far in hundreds of years so I would not hold your breath, you might be an optimist, I think I'm a realist, let's leave it at that shall we.

 

Oh I'll be out tomorrow, off to a stoning.

No, let's not. You might be a pessimist, but I think I'm the realist. So what, that is what a debate is for. You have not yet said what you think the alternatives are, so how can anyone tell if it is sense, nonsense, or hot air? You seem to my read my posts rather carelessly, and then draw conclusions about what I think, from what I have not said. However, when it comes to saying what you think could be done better, you seem notably shy. What's yer problem? Cone on, let's be 'avin yer - its no good going off in a huff! :-) What do you think we should do differently?

[nightrider]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that those comlaining about immigration are in fact recent immigrants who are saying enough is enough and close the door?

[Guest 1footinthegrave]

Brian Kirby - 2013-01-11 11:16 PM

 

1footinthegrave - 2013-01-11 8:25 PM...............Trust me,you don't want to know, but it's pointless going on, you think everything in the garden is fine and dandy, and as for them changing, well it ain't happened so far in hundreds of years so I would not hold your breath, you might be an optimist, I think I'm a realist, let's leave it at that shall we.

 

Oh I'll be out tomorrow, off to a stoning.

No, let's not. You might be a pessimist, but I think I'm the realist. So what, that is what a debate is for. You have not yet said what you think the alternatives are, so how can anyone tell if it is sense, nonsense, or hot air? You seem to my read my posts rather carelessly, and then draw conclusions about what I think, from what I have not said. However, when it comes to saying what you think could be done better, you seem notably shy. What's yer problem? Cone on, let's be 'avin yer - its no good going off in a huff! :-) What do you think we should do differently?

 

Close the door to any further immigration, especially to those who's culture and beliefs are completely alien to the host nation, to have a coherent society this is essential . Then we get the old chestnut we need these people, no we don't actually we just need to train the legions of UK citizens that are unemployed, especially all our home grown university graduates.Not to mention of course the hundreds of thousands of immigrants already here that do not work for one reason or another, why would they given the generous nature of the UK welfare state. One only has to look at the case of Abu Hamza al-Masri to see the madness that allows this to happen.

 

Fast track people thought to pose a threat to national security back to their country of origin, no bloody human rights judges in Brussels dictating who's human rights are being infringed, once someone decides to incite terrorism or are here illegally they've lost their human rights as far as I'm concerned.

 

Accept that the UK is FULL, we are gridlocked, our local services are strained to the limit, and now there is a proposal to build over even more greenfield sites with housing and inward migration is largely to blame for that.

 

I want to be able to celebrate my history and culture, and not have to see my country changing before my eyes., not be told it can offend someone if I celebrate Christmas, or eat pork, or collect Gollywogs.

 

When did official forms drop the the term "Christian name" I wonder, obviously again to appease some group or other.

 

There should be an immediate end to the crazy situation where someone can live in the UK with all that it offers,and yet never learn the English language, so we provide translation services to ensure they get their social security and housing dished out like confetti, madness.

 

I could go on and on, but it's pointless the battle has already been lost thanks to liberal elite who just brand anyone expressing dissent to their grand plan for a multicultural society as racists, instead of addressing what millions of consider to be a growing problem of NON integration.

 

Did I mention Pakistani and Afghan men grooming young white girls, a problem that was swept under the carpet for years, and even now political correctness still has a difficulty acknowledging it. Mind you when someone like the former head of Barnardo's has said that street grooming of teenage girls for sex in the north of England appears to be carried out "overwhelmingly" by men of Pakistani and Afghan origin and has called for an investigation into the issue, perhaps there is hope.

 

When I go to some parts of the UK, I truly wonder why millions died to defend our way of life, our heritage, and our customs, I'd guess that they would wonder too.

[rupert123]

1footinthegrave - 2013-01-11 8:25 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2013-01-11 7:52 PM

 

1footinthegrave - 2013-01-11 7:37 PM........................Here's some reading to get you up to speed with Islamic terrorists attacks if you care to take a look, then tell me my comments were a little unfair.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

Yep, you are being unfair, because you are saying they are all proto terrorists because some of them are terrorists. What you need to do is look at the numbers actually involved as terrorists, compared to the numbers of practising Muslims in the world. It is a vary small proportion of highly destructive nutters.

 

However, apart from blowing off steam on here, what is your remedy? Nuke the lot? Or what? It is not a case of "getting it", or not, it is a case of what can be done to change their mindsets. They will change, but it will also take a great deal of time. It takes time to eliminate ignorance. I said I think Afghanistan is a mistake, not that I think we are doing any good there, or that I am content to see our forces lose their lives there. Where on earth did that idea come from? For what it is worth, I think we are watching a very costly face saving exercise. Neither the US nor the UK wants to admit to the rest of the world that we got it badly wrong, so we are trying to get to a point where we can say we have done some good. Then we shall make a sharp exit claiming victory, whatever that means, and Afghanistan will quickly slide back whence it came. Pointless. So, what is you solution?

 

Trust me,you don't want to know, but it's pointless going on, you think everything in the garden is fine and dandy, and as for them changing, well it ain't happened so far in hundreds of years so I would not hold your breath, you might be an optimist, I think I'm a realist, let's leave it at that shall we.

 

Oh I'll be out tomorrow, off to a stoning.

Very rare that 1foot and I agree on anything but he has got it 'spot on' here. As to solutions stop the buggers coming in, stop wasteing money on pointless wars, stop giving billions away in aid that achieves nothing. Not sure about all the stuff the original poster said but a lot of the basic points he made I agree with. As langauge you speak, easy make evryone speak English.

[malc d]

I have a certain sympathy with the sort of views that 1foot has - but do not necessarily agree he is right.

 

The trouble is that our " leaders " never come along and prove to us that any of these concerns that people have are being taken seriously.

 

I'm sure if 1foot was to approach our Dave with these concerns, Dave would change the subject to the huge deficit left behind by the last government, - or gay marriage.

 

 

 

:-(

[CliveH]

I was appalled as anyone at the grooming of girls by Pakistani men and how those that should have cared for these girls, the Police, the Social Services did nothing. Worse than that - the Social services department stated that the girls chose this as "Lifestyle Choice" - thereby condoning child prostitution and placing it as some sort of career option to be considered.

 

The Social workers here quite excelled themselves with that.

 

And yes - "culture" is something that we need to deal with. On a similar vein - the recent truly appalling gang rape in India that resulted in the death of the victim was said by the Indian Authorities to be, in part, due to the low status women have in that society.

 

In Birmingham right now there is a young Pakistani girl recovering from being shot in the head by a Taliban extremist who objected to this girl asking to be educated in her home country.

 

So I would suggest that, appalling as these incidents are, those wishing to live in this country should sign a contract stating that they will abide by our laws and not cite anysort of racial hatred on pain of instant deportation. Why put the cost on the taxpayer to hold them in prison and then "forget" to deport them?

 

Now that would mean the end of the human rights act and i would have no problem with that because it was an act with all the good intentions under the sun - but the reality is a criminals charter.

 

But the overriding reality is that immigration is a normal and sensible thing. It has been happening since the year dot. It will not stop now due to our increasing elderly population and the baby boom time bomb that awaits us in that there are simply too few indigenous people within the UK to pay the taxes and the NIC to fund our State pensions and welfare costs required to look after us all as we get older.

 

But I would agree that our politically correct numpties have allowed some sections of society to become separated from the mainstream.

 

I think this is why I found cerro's concept of "integration" rather bizarre - sorry! but I did!!

 

I think we should not consider a moratorium on any further immigration - but we do need to control better who we let in. The debacle of various mad mullah's being allowed to spout bile and bigotry and actually be protected by our freedom laws to do exactly that, whilst the mad mullahs cohorts shoot a young girl in the head in their own country simply because she wants an education exactly underlines the issue.

 

But as Brian points out - the vast majority of those coming to the UK do work hard and do fit in.

 

And they do find us ignorant at times - Whilst waiting for an "indian" takeaway recently and chatting with the owner - Oula, whose kids went to school with mine and I have known for over 30 years and all over the restaurant is references to Bangladesh - their country of origin - in comes a local guy who starts talking about England stuffing India in the cricket and getting a bit upset that Oula was not agreeing with him.

 

I quietly pointed out that he was talking to someone from a totally different country to India. The response was "well they are all the f***ing same".

 

So to my mind - ignorance exists on both sides. :-S

 

 

 

[nightrider]

if anyone was to ask me if I was racist I can only answer that question with truth and honesty and say yes, and I dont give a Tinkers damn for what the politically correct brigade on this group say.

This is my country it does not belong to the rest of the world to come here and avail themselves of what hard won benefits the working man has achieved over the years, charity begins at home.

At one time we ruled most of the world, any problems and we would send in a gunboat to sort things out we are now a shadow of our former selves, who needs foreigners? have we not done rather well without them? And before Brian Kirby jumps in and says we as a nation are mongrels and made up of foreigners, yes we are but those foreigners came here in manageable numbers not in the hordes that are trying to get here on a daily basis, particularly the Asian/Muslim contingent who have no intention of integrating with their host nation, When I went to work in Geramany I remember a German woman saying to me, if you want to live and work here, do as we do and learn our language.

[John 47]

Close the door to any further immigration, especially to those who's culture and beliefs are completely alien to the host nation

 

I will leave it to others to carry on the debate about your other points but I am always fascinated when someone comes up with a phrase that implies the British culture is something that developed in isolation and needs protecting. What is this culture of ours? Is it the one whose favourite food is Indian (closely followed by Chinese and Italian); or is it the one whose favourite films are American, or the one whose favourite classical music and artwork are from Germany or Italy, or perhaps the one whose top museums are full of artifacts from Greece or Egypt, or the one whose modern medical system is based on the Arab one, or whose laws are based on Roman ones, or whose people have names that reflect a whole history of immigration from the time of the Celts to the present day? Bear in mind that even Morris Dancing is derived from "Moorish" dancing - which came from the Arab world.

 

In my view, the meeting of cultures is largely enriching rather than diluting - although I'd happily do without macDonalds and Australian soap operas!

[CliveH]

Good point re the Moorish dancing John!

 

We are a trading nation and always have been - as such trade enables "integration"

 

 

 

 

[Guest 1footinthegrave]

Before anyone gets carried away with the idea that I'm a "put them all in a boat and sink it in mid Atlantic" merchant, I'm not,but...........

 

We bend over backwards to accommodate others, only to have so many bite the hand that feeds them.

 

We allow religious freedom, but not sure how a call to prayers from a loudspeaker on Mosques fits in with noise abatement orders.

 

We allow full face covering to go unchallenged, what's the point of CCTV to detect crime then.

 

I'm sick and tired with the kid glove treatment the likes of Poppy burners are dealt with, contrast that with the way the miners were bludgeoned and bloodied in Thatchers era, or that hapless newspaper seller recently..

 

Yes we have always been a country of many people from different cultures and backgrounds, the difference now is the sheer weight of numbers and the growth of Islam, and I have no time for a religion that whether on the extremes or not condones suicide bombers, stoning, and murdering their own for some transgression or other, and for the most part despises the hosts countries values and culture, and would not give a second thought to murdering you or your loved ones, to further their aims as has been demonstrated all over the world. This is a totally new ball game, and those that don't get it, will in time.

 

Never mind we can all look forward to the Bulgarians and Romanians that are already packing their cases to come to the land of milk and honey in 2014, and who would blame them. Free money, free housing, language translation, and your own personal tax payer funded human rights lawyer if it goes pear shaped and you need a six bedroom house in some swanky London borough..Glad my taxes have not been paid in vain.

 

 

[donna miller]

I'm going to make an observation here, it's a general one but one that bears relevence to the varying views being put forward.

Obviously there are members here that reside in differing parts of the country, and even those that may consider that they live in the same geographical region as another member, they live and move within totally different circumstances.

Firstly I'll use my own example, I was born and raised in Coventry, the early part of my life was spent in suburbs and villages where you would be hard pressed to see a non white face, later on when I moved to the inner city it became apparent that this was a whole new world where I was in very grave danger of becoming a minority. Areas of the city were virtually turned over to either West Indian or Pakistani/Indian communities. The West Indians integrated into society quite well, but younger members of that community made no-go areas for people like me, and the situation only escalated with pubs, clubs and centres becaming West Indian by name and by nature, whites were excluded without exception, this also happend with Pakistani communities.

Pakistani/ Indian immigrants split into the Sikh/Muslim factions and proceeded to build their own little nations within the city, the Sikhs however were the one that then, and even now make concerted effort to integrate, however the Muslims have never been forthcoming in that level of social integration.

Whilst living where I did, the problems associated with 'colonising' of immigrant communities was a problem that, to my mind, was something that played great importance in my views which were now very different from 5 years previous. I now understand that eastern European immigrants, especially Polish, are repeating the whole proceedure and adding to the problems within the city suburbs.

Now however, I live once again in a rural community in the valleys in South Wales, there are relatively few immigrant families, whether white or not, and whilst I still hold strong views on immigration problems, they do not affect me as such in my normal daily life.

 

And this is where I believe the differences of opinion are very often influenced by the level that personal interaction with largescale immigrant communities occurs.

 

Malc for instance, obviously lives close to pockets of these first, second or third generation immigrants that can very often cause continuous problems for other members of the community (regardless of colour before the racism crap is reeled out). And I fully understand his frustration and anger at the way British culture and way of life is being slowly (or not so slowly) eaten away because we/he has to conform to the religious and cultural ways of immigrants.

 

Other members however, (and I shall refrain from names as no doubt they will interpretet it as a 'personal' attack, and I can't be doing with the hassle) are fortunate enough to live away from the inner city areas where these problems are rife, I can say with some confidence that the more affluent villages where some of our members reside will not have whole roads or communities that consist of only Muslim families or Polish/Latvian families, their local shops will not cater predominantly in Polish or Indian foods therefore they will have difficulty in understanding the views of those who do have to live in those areas and with those problems, they will not see social housing being earmarked for immigrants or large families of immigrants being given housing ahead of English families that have been waiting years for suitable housing, they are probably retired or in jobs that are safe from cheap immigrant labour, whereas inner city families in low paid manual jobs live in fear of being laid off and replaced by a team of Polish labourors that save the firm 50 pence an hour.

They may notice the increased immigrant population on the weekly visit to town, but day to day contact does not have an influence.

To further confirm my above statements, my personal experience of isolated immigrant families living in communities is that they are far more likely and willing to integrate with their neighbours, but to use them as an example in a discussion and as a basis of my beliefs would be wrong as they would not be a true reflection of the immigration/integration discussion at hand.

 

Cerro, (from the original post) had his views on the problem (anybody who claims there is no problem is a fool) but other posters do not have the right to say his views are wrong or that he is foolish just because they differ from theirs. There are far too many posters on here who will dish out criticism to others and claim it is normal debating protocol, however, they will not afford you the same consideration or apply the same rules if you proceed to challenge their views, you will then become someone who is argumentative rather than someone offering opinion, you will become someone who seeks out confrontation because you hold an opinion of your own.

 

So, all I ask is that those of you who haven't been, or aren't blighted and adversly affected by the mass immigration problem the UK is suffering from, have some empathy and consideration towards those that do. Being proud of your country and wanting to retain your cultural rights does not make you a racist, if it did, then the same racist label should surely be applied to those immigrants who come here and try to retain the cultural ways of their original country. Of course this country is different from others, we allow religious and cultural standards from immigrants to overule our own, and even change our laws to appease them, go to Dubai and demand that they change their laws to allow un-married couples to have sex in the hotels and see how far you get, go to Islamabad and seek planning permission to build a church.

 

Rant over, I have to go shopping.

 

[John 47]

1footinthegrave - 2013-01-12 11:06 AM

 

 

1. We allow religious freedom, but not sure how a call to prayers from a loudspeaker on Mosques fits in with noise abatement orders.

 

2. We allow full face covering to go unchallenged, what's the point of CCTV to detect crime then.

 

3. I'm sick and tired with the kid glove treatment the likes of Poppy burners are dealt with, contrast that with the way the miners were bludgeoned and bloodied in Thatchers era, or that hapless newspaper seller recently..

 

4. Yes we have always been a country of many people from different cultures and backgrounds, the difference now is the sheer weight of numbers and the growth of Islam,

 

5. Never mind we can all look forward to the Bulgarians and Romanians that are already packing their cases to come to the land of milk and honey in 2014, and who would blame them.

 

1. Nor do Church bells!

 

2. We do not allow face-covering to go unchallenged in situations where it matters - eg at passport control. As for the CCTV bit, well anyone about to commit a crime is likely to cover their face in some way so I don't see how banning the burkha will change that!

 

3. I am not defending poppy-burners but a number of those stories were faked by far right organisations and you cannot equate burning a symbol with battering a human being.

 

4. Muslims account for less than 5% of the UK population, so I think its a bit over the top to talk about a sheer weight of numbers.

 

5. I am sure that anyone wanting their house plastered or their plumbing repaired can't wait for the flood of Romanians that you assume! (lol)

[Guest 1footinthegrave]

John 47 - 2013-01-12 11:38 AM

 

1footinthegrave - 2013-01-12 11:06 AM

 

 

1. We allow religious freedom, but not sure how a call to prayers from a loudspeaker on Mosques fits in with noise abatement orders.

 

2. We allow full face covering to go unchallenged, what's the point of CCTV to detect crime then.

 

3. I'm sick and tired with the kid glove treatment the likes of Poppy burners are dealt with, contrast that with the way the miners were bludgeoned and bloodied in Thatchers era, or that hapless newspaper seller recently..

 

4. Yes we have always been a country of many people from different cultures and backgrounds, the difference now is the sheer weight of numbers and the growth of Islam,

 

5. Never mind we can all look forward to the Bulgarians and Romanians that are already packing their cases to come to the land of milk and honey in 2014, and who would blame them.

 

1. Nor do Church bells!

 

2. We do not allow face-covering to go unchallenged in situations where it matters - eg at passport control. As for the CCTV bit, well anyone about to commit a crime is likely to cover their face in some way so I don't see how banning the burkha will change that!

 

3. I am not defending poppy-burners but a number of those stories were faked by far right organisations and you cannot equate burning a symbol with battering a human being.

 

4. Muslims account for less than 5% of the UK population, so I think its a bit over the top to talk about a sheer weight of numbers.

 

5. I am sure that anyone wanting their house plastered or their plumbing repaired can't wait for the flood of Romanians that you assume! (lol)

 

Typical liberal nonsense, no doubt you don't live in Birmingham, Leicester, Peterborough,Bradford, Slough London, go try it and see how it is for ordinary British people, and ask them how they feel about it, the ones that are left there that is.

 

As for plumbers and plasterers, what exactly is wrong with training our own young unemployed millions of whom are on the dole., or is that too simple plus I don't think the average Romanian Gypsies well be coming to call, more likely to put their kids on the streets begging as is already the case in major cities...

 

Church bells, well that does not even deserve a reply, but kind of tells where your coming from, but I bet your life it's not next to a mosque.

 

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