Guest 1footinthegrave Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 RogerC - 2013-02-06 12:29 PMArchiesgrandad - 2013-02-05 8:42 PMI think that for me this is probably the straw that breaks the camel's back. It seems that the country that I have worked for, and at one time was prepared to fight and die for, has gone. A friend used to joke that he could live with the liberalisation of homosexuality, but his real concern was that it might become compulsory. That seems to be be coming ever closer.I never voted to become an offshore province of Germany, I never voted to allow in so many immigrants and asylum seekers that the nature of our society will change, I never voted to give so much of our money to third world tyrants,( or members of parliament), nor did I ever vote to become a society where no-one has to take responsibility for their actions.Hand me the atlas.AGD I'll happily second your comments.......and add......Every one knows their 'rights' but no one seems to know their responsibilities within society. It has become a society of 'me me me'. Christian B&B owners sued for discrimination....even someones own home and beliefs have succumbed to 'gay rights'. Scumbag prolific criminals let off with a slapped wrist......honest working Joe Public hit in the pocket for everything, bankers who brought the country to it's knees still laughing all the way to the bonus pot, politicians more knowingly corrupt than ever before, petulant Political parties (Calamity Cleggs mob of loonies) voting against the public interest to 'get even' and today a report on Stafford hospital (the fifth report into this House of Death) where over 400 died due to lack of care!! Education in a mess, Armed Forces cut to unimaginably low levels......ad infinitum. The 'morality and responsibility' compass of this country, most importantly applicable to all Political parties and upper management of public bodies (NHS/Education/Social services/local government etc) has been totally lost. Where do I sign up for the 'Old Farts Club'? UKIP here I come........You are so right, the trouble today is so many people say what they think they "should" be saying, terrified of getting a knock on the door and being hauled off to be accused of some "phobia" or other, or being shouted down by the most vocal, which really sums up the Homo/Lesbian lobby, and no I will not refer to them as "Gay" or is that another word they want to re-define. >:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 12:24 PM Hang on is this the same John47 supporting the most rigid religion known to man in another thread >:-) >:-) >:-) No it isn't - you have chosen to misrepresent my views so often that you have started to believe your own fiction! I have never supported extreme Islam - or extreme anything else, come to that. What I have done repeatedly is to criticise you for lumping the majority moderate Mulsims in with the likes of Al Qaeda. The Muslims I will defend are the ones that believe in a merciful and forgiving Allah, not a vindictive one; just as I support moderate Christians who believe in a merciful and fogiving God, not the ones who believe in a vengeful one. Simple, really - and very consistent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 12:41 PM You are so right, the trouble today is so many people say what they think they "should" be saying, terrified of getting a knock on the door and being hauled off to be accused of some "phobia" or other, or being shouted down by the most vocal, which really sums up the Homo/Lesbian lobby, and no I will not refer to them as "Gay" or is that another word they want to re-define. >:-( Why do you hate so many people who have never done you any harm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 John 47 - 2013-02-06 12:45 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 12:41 PM You are so right, the trouble today is so many people say what they think they "should" be saying, terrified of getting a knock on the door and being hauled off to be accused of some "phobia" or other, or being shouted down by the most vocal, which really sums up the Homo/Lesbian lobby, and no I will not refer to them as "Gay" or is that another word they want to re-define. >:-( Why do you hate so many people who have never done you any harm? Being abused as a young boy by a known homosexual and terrified ( not to me at that age obviously ) did not help >:-( Next........................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 12:52 PM John 47 - 2013-02-06 12:45 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 12:41 PM You are so right, the trouble today is so many people say what they think they "should" be saying, terrified of getting a knock on the door and being hauled off to be accused of some "phobia" or other, or being shouted down by the most vocal, which really sums up the Homo/Lesbian lobby, and no I will not refer to them as "Gay" or is that another word they want to re-define. >:-( Why do you hate so many people who have never done you any harm? Being abused as a young boy by a known homosexual and terrified ( not to me at that age obviously ) did not help >:-( Next........................ That is terrible and I hope they caught the bastard - but please do not confuse paedophile with gay. Paedophiles are statistically more likely to be heterosexual. I can understand your feelings but, fortunately, abusers are a very small proportion of the community - gay or straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 John 47 - 2013-02-06 12:45 PM1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 12:41 PMYou are so right, the trouble today is so many people say what they think they "should" be saying, terrified of getting a knock on the door and being hauled off to be accused of some "phobia" or other, or being shouted down by the most vocal, which really sums up the Homo/Lesbian lobby, and no I will not refer to them as "Gay" or is that another word they want to re-define. >:-(Why do you hate so many people who have never done you any harm? Where is the hatred in that statement? The homosexual/lesbian element of society hijacked a perfectably useable everyday word to 'soften' their leanings and make it more acceptable in the 60's when it was still frowned upon. Gay meaning ‘homosexual’ became established in the 1960s as the term preferred by homosexual men to describe themselves. As a result, the centuries-old other senses of gay meaning either ‘carefree’ or ‘bright and showy’ have more or less dropped out of natural use. You can clearly see that a 'centuries old' usage of the word has been hijacked....yet another example of the insidious creep of those hell bent on 'restructuring' society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 RogerC - 2013-02-06 1:45 PMJohn 47 - 2013-02-06 12:45 PM1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 12:41 PMYou are so right, the trouble today is so many people say what they think they "should" be saying, terrified of getting a knock on the door and being hauled off to be accused of some "phobia" or other, or being shouted down by the most vocal, which really sums up the Homo/Lesbian lobby, and no I will not refer to them as "Gay" or is that another word they want to re-define. >:-(Why do you hate so many people who have never done you any harm? Where is the hatred in that statement? The homosexual/lesbian element of society hijacked a perfectably useable everyday word to 'soften' their leanings and make it more acceptable in the 60's when it was still frowned upon. Gay meaning ‘homosexual’ became established in the 1960s as the term preferred by homosexual men to describe themselves. As a result, the centuries-old other senses of gay meaning either ‘carefree’ or ‘bright and showy’ have more or less dropped out of natural use. You can clearly see that a 'centuries old' usage of the word has been hijacked....yet another example of the insidious creep of those hell bent on 'restructuring' society.It's OK John47 has got it in for me that's all. Pity I did not know as a small boy the difference between a homosexual abuser of boys, and a paedophile, that would have made the experience so much better knowing what category of pervert Arthur was and making my life hell, and has stayed with me the rest of my life, so excuse me if I don't have much time for homosexuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 1:59 PMRogerC - 2013-02-06 1:45 PMJohn 47 - 2013-02-06 12:45 PM1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 12:41 PMYou are so right, the trouble today is so many people say what they think they "should" be saying, terrified of getting a knock on the door and being hauled off to be accused of some "phobia" or other, or being shouted down by the most vocal, which really sums up the Homo/Lesbian lobby, and no I will not refer to them as "Gay" or is that another word they want to re-define. >:-(Why do you hate so many people who have never done you any harm? Where is the hatred in that statement? The homosexual/lesbian element of society hijacked a perfectably useable everyday word to 'soften' their leanings and make it more acceptable in the 60's when it was still frowned upon. Gay meaning ‘homosexual’ became established in the 1960s as the term preferred by homosexual men to describe themselves. As a result, the centuries-old other senses of gay meaning either ‘carefree’ or ‘bright and showy’ have more or less dropped out of natural use. You can clearly see that a 'centuries old' usage of the word has been hijacked....yet another example of the insidious creep of those hell bent on 'restructuring' society.It's OK John47 has got it in for me that's all. Pity I did not know as a small boy the difference between a homosexual abuser of boys, and a paedophile, that would have made the experience so much better knowing what category of pervert Arthur was and making my life hell, and has stayed with me the rest of my life, so excuse me if I don't have much time for homosexuals.I don't have it in for you - or anyone else - and you clearly have had some horrific experiences in your life. What I object to is that you choose to lump lots of innocent people in with the ones who have caused you harm.All I ask you to do is put yourself in the position of a perfectly law-abiding and peaceful person who is on the receiving end of your ire. You and I are atheists but how would you feel if someone compared you to Pol Pot or Stalin or that baby-faced lunatic in North Korea, simply because they were atheists too. I know I wouldn't be too happy to be blamed for the crimes of people with whom I have nothing in common and no control over. And not only does it cause distress to innocent people, it does you no good either to be eaten up by hatred. Hate the bad guys (I do too) but judge individuals by their actions rather than by the actions of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 There are times when it simply is best to shut up, don't you think. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 2:41 PM There are times when it simply is best to shut up, don't you think. ? Yes but I'm not convinced this is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 John 47 - 2013-02-05 10:20 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-02-05 7:02 PM But the environment that the child grows up in thinking that that is normal could make its life more complicated surely. Did your next door neighbours teach the children that men are bad or good, what happens when the children start asking questions like why don't I have daddy or mummy as the case maybe. And if the child is a boy is it going to be feminine. We all know that some children can be cruel especially when school age. Dave Our next door neighbours were good parents. Why should you think that lesbians might teach their children that men are bad? Why, also, should you think that a male child of a lesbian couple should grow up to be feminine? If sexuality was a thing you inherited from your parents then nobody would be gay! Yes, we all know that children can be cruel but they are cruel to other children of heterosexual couples too. I am sure we have all lived through childhood taunts of various kinds All I can say as far as our neighbours children are concerned is that they have both (one boy and one girl) grown up to be very well-balanced (and, as it happens, heterosexual) adults. 1) I'm not suggesting they were good or bad, on the other hand do you know for sure what goes on behind closed doors? 2) I would think that one of the lesbians would have been subjected to some sort of male abuse either physically or mentally, that's usually the case (unless of course her husband had died). Therefore they would tend to not put the male in a good light. 3) I would think they would grow up feminine because it would be a female surrounding that the child is in. 4) Can't respond to that, I'm not well up in DNA. I'm glad the children seemed to have grown up 'Normal' but I feel that there must be some confusion in a young child when they are in a one sex parental couple environment. Like I said earlier, IMO only. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Let's face it this is just another social experiment, just like the failed multi-cultural bulls**t. I've always thought having gone through my experience there must be something very amiss that men in particular are invariably with very few notable exceptions the sex abusers in society. As I grew up a lot of my friends were warned by their parents " not to sit by strange men in the cinema" for example, and yet never got the same advice about women. Of course not all homosexuals fall in to that category but none the less I would not leave my grandson alone with one, paranoid, maybe, but go through what I did and you'd be bloody paranoid. As for that delightful thing some engage in "cottaging" another word to disguise meeting perfect strangers in public toilets for a blow job only reinforces my views, sorry. They can shove their homosexuality up their a**e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 nowtelse2do - 2013-02-06 2:46 PM John 47 - 2013-02-05 10:20 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-02-05 7:02 PM But the environment that the child grows up in thinking that that is normal could make its life more complicated surely. Did your next door neighbours teach the children that men are bad or good, what happens when the children start asking questions like why don't I have daddy or mummy as the case maybe. And if the child is a boy is it going to be feminine. We all know that some children can be cruel especially when school age. Dave Our next door neighbours were good parents. Why should you think that lesbians might teach their children that men are bad? Why, also, should you think that a male child of a lesbian couple should grow up to be feminine? If sexuality was a thing you inherited from your parents then nobody would be gay! Yes, we all know that children can be cruel but they are cruel to other children of heterosexual couples too. I am sure we have all lived through childhood taunts of various kinds All I can say as far as our neighbours children are concerned is that they have both (one boy and one girl) grown up to be very well-balanced (and, as it happens, heterosexual) adults. 1) I'm not suggesting they were good or bad, on the other hand do you know for sure what goes on behind closed doors? 2) I would think that one of the lesbians would have been subjected to some sort of male abuse either physically or mentally, that's usually the case (unless of course her husband had died). Therefore they would tend to not put the male in a good light. 3) I would think they would grow up feminine because it would be a female surrounding that the child is in. 4) Can't respond to that, I'm not well up in DNA. I'm glad the children seemed to have grown up 'Normal' but I feel that there must be some confusion in a young child when they are in a one sex parental couple environment. Like I said earlier, IMO only. Dave 1) True - nobody knows what happens behind closed doors and there are undoubtedly good and bad parents in both heterosexual and gay communities. 2) Strange assumption - why do you assume that all lesbians are women who have had bad experiences with men? 3) I can't, of course, speak for all lesbians but the ones I have known have very good relationships with men and in the case of our neighbours there were always men on the scene (brothers - ie uncles - and friends). If you were correct in your assumption then single, divorced or widowed mothers would also bring up "feminised" sons. 4) I have lots of gay friends and being attracted to people of the same sex is not something you choose. You (I assume) and I are attracted to the opposite sex; others to the same; some to both. We didn't choose that - it happened. It also happens in the case of the children of gay couples. As for the confusion bit, yes I think most children are confused about various things at various stages in their lives and the taunts of others don't help. But children from heterosexual families can be taunted as well - for being fat, short-sighted, having ginger hair, having divorced parents, and so on and so on. None of this is pleasant and in an ideal world it shouldn't happen. But unfortunately it does. Interestingly, I can't remember a single incident in which the other neighbours criticised the lesbian couple I mentioned, nor any of the local children taunting them. No doubt it happens, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 3:00 PM Of course not all homosexuals fall in to that category but none the less I would not leave my grandson alone with one Fair enough - and nobody is forcing you to do so. Our daughter, the mother of our two grandchildren, has quite happily (and without any bad consequence) left them with gay friends (both male and female) and has sent them to a playscheme run by a gay man and a lesbian woman. It is a very popular playscheme in the local area and there has never been a hint of a problem. Just don't judge all by the actions of a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 John 47 - 2013-02-06 3:22 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-02-06 2:46 PM 1) I'm not suggesting they were good or bad, on the other hand do you know for sure what goes on behind closed doors? 2) I would think that one of the lesbians would have been subjected to some sort of male abuse either physically or mentally, that's usually the case (unless of course her husband had died). Therefore they would tend to not put the male in a good light. 3) I would think they would grow up feminine because it would be a female surrounding that the child is in. 4) Can't respond to that, I'm not well up in DNA. I'm glad the children seemed to have grown up 'Normal' but I feel that there must be some confusion in a young child when they are in a one sex parental couple environment. Like I said earlier, IMO only. Dave 1) True - nobody knows what happens behind closed doors and there are undoubtedly good and bad parents in both heterosexual and gay communities. 2) Strange assumption - why do you assume that all lesbians are women who have had bad experiences with men? 3) I can't, of course, speak for all lesbians but the ones I have known have very good relationships with men and in the case of our neighbours there were always men on the scene (brothers - ie uncles - and friends). If you were correct in your assumption then single, divorced or widowed mothers would also bring up "feminised" sons. 4) I have lots of gay friends and being attracted to people of the same sex is not something you choose. You (I assume) and I are attracted to the opposite sex; others to the same; some to both. We didn't choose that - it happened. It also happens in the case of the children of gay couples. As for the confusion bit, yes I think most children are confused about various things at various stages in their lives and the taunts of others don't help. But children from heterosexual families can be taunted as well - for being fat, short-sighted, having ginger hair, having divorced parents, and so on and so on. None of this is pleasant and in an ideal world it shouldn't happen. But unfortunately it does. Interestingly, I can't remember a single incident in which the other neighbours criticised the lesbian couple I mentioned, nor any of the local children taunting them. No doubt it happens, though. Now I did not say or assume that 'All' lesbians had had bad experiences with men. If there are children involved in one of these lesbian partnerships then one of the women would be the mother, unless there's an adoption involved. So if a death of a husband or male partner is the reason for a lesbian relationship then that first relationship could not have been a stable or good one, or she would have found another man. I think that would be a reasonable assumption. I can't quote any figures or be sure of any statistics I know of, but I would think that the breakup of a marriage would be because of a husband infidelity and in most cases the reason why a woman would find it better to be in a lesbian relationship, I would certainly put cruelty high up the list also. I would think it natural that they would be in a good relationship with brothers, uncles cousins and long time friends. Unlike you I know very few lesbians or homosexuals. The one's I know are ok but I keep them at arms length, I think it's an unnatural lifestyle and most people I know seem to agree. Your reasoning about single, divorced and widowed mothers has grounds. I did know quite a few of the later group and they were molly cuddled and almost cocooned, I come from the divorced group and believe me, I'm not feminine :-D Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Sorry I was replying to John47 Look just get out of my face, If I want to judge anyone that's my prerogative. I've been told Rottweilers make good pets but I would not leave my grandson alone with one of them either. You'll call it paranoia no doubt, but that's my choice. Mind you I did hear of someone trying to breed them with using two males, so far they've had little success. ;-) perhaps they should try marrying them. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 nowtelse2do - 2013-02-06 4:31 PM Now I did not say or assume that 'All' lesbians had had bad experiences with men. If there are children involved in one of these lesbian partnerships then one of the women would be the mother, unless there's an adoption involved. So if a death of a husband or male partner is the reason for a lesbian relationship then that first relationship could not have been a stable or good one, or she would have found another man. I think that would be a reasonable assumption. I can't quote any figures or be sure of any statistics I know of, but I would think that the breakup of a marriage would be because of a husband infidelity and in most cases the reason why a woman would find it better to be in a lesbian relationship, I would certainly put cruelty high up the list also. I would think it natural that they would be in a good relationship with brothers, uncles cousins and long time friends. Unlike you I know very few lesbians or homosexuals. The one's I know are ok but I keep them at arms length, I think it's an unnatural lifestyle and most people I know seem to agree. Your reasoning about single, divorced and widowed mothers has grounds. I did know quite a few of the later group and they were molly cuddled and almost cocooned, I come from the divorced group and believe me, I'm not feminine :-D Dave Well you did say that it is "usually the case" that one or other of the lesbians would have suffered abuse at the hands of a male partner! You now go on to say that lesbians become lesbians because of bad experiences with men, as if it is a lifestyle choice rather than a biological urge! You may be right in a few cases but I doubt whether it is anywhere near the norm. And children can be produced without a male being present. Artificial insemination is, I believe, quite popular among lesbian couples (as indeed it was with our neighbours). Finally, your own history should clearly show you that the absence of a man permenantly around the house does not lead to femininity in male children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 John 47 - 2013-02-06 4:50 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-02-06 4:31 PM Now I did not say or assume that 'All' lesbians had had bad experiences with men. If there are children involved in one of these lesbian partnerships then one of the women would be the mother, unless there's an adoption involved. So if a death of a husband or male partner is the reason for a lesbian relationship then that first relationship could not have been a stable or good one, or she would have found another man. I think that would be a reasonable assumption. I can't quote any figures or be sure of any statistics I know of, but I would think that the breakup of a marriage would be because of a husband infidelity and in most cases the reason why a woman would find it better to be in a lesbian relationship, I would certainly put cruelty high up the list also. I would think it natural that they would be in a good relationship with brothers, uncles cousins and long time friends. Unlike you I know very few lesbians or homosexuals. The one's I know are ok but I keep them at arms length, I think it's an unnatural lifestyle and most people I know seem to agree. Your reasoning about single, divorced and widowed mothers has grounds. I did know quite a few of the later group and they were molly cuddled and almost cocooned, I come from the divorced group and believe me, I'm not feminine :-D Dave You now go on to say that lesbians become lesbians because of bad experiences with men, as if it is a lifestyle choice rather than a biological urge! Well that biological urge that leads to two adult men copulating using only the orifices available to them is simply too distasteful to think about for many. Never mind how woman achieve the same end as heterosexual couples, perhaps Anne Summers helps in that department If it is a biological urge then I for one would sooner not hear about it thanks But just as well it's not the norm, we'd all be extinct by now.. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 4:39 PM Sorry I was replying to John47 Look just get out of my face, If I want to judge anyone that's my prerogative. I've been told Rottweilers make good pets but I would not leave my grandson alone with one of them either. You'll call it paranoia no doubt, but that's my choice. Mind you I did hear of someone trying to breed them with using two males, so far they've had little success. ;-) perhaps they should try marrying them. :D I know its a biblical quote but they do have some good ones, you know : "Judge not lest ye be judged". Or to put it another way - if you dish it out you have to be prepared to take it. You, it seems, are quite prepared to dish it out but get very annoyed when someone points out the inconsistencies in your argument. Interesting that, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 John 47 - 2013-02-06 5:31 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 4:39 PM Sorry I was replying to John47 Look just get out of my face, If I want to judge anyone that's my prerogative. I've been told Rottweilers make good pets but I would not leave my grandson alone with one of them either. You'll call it paranoia no doubt, but that's my choice. Mind you I did hear of someone trying to breed them with using two males, so far they've had little success. ;-) perhaps they should try marrying them. :D I know its a biblical quote but they do have some good ones, you know : "Judge not lest ye be judged". Or to put it another way - if you dish it out you have to be prepared to take it. You, it seems, are quite prepared to dish it out but get very annoyed when someone points out the inconsistencies in your argument. Interesting that, eh? You need to look in the mirror from time to time mate, ;-) Funny that an athiest has any knowledge of the Bible, let alone needs to quote it to back up his point, next it will be using an Islam point' like a pick n mix to back up a point for you........................................ The mainstream interpretation of Qur'anic verses and hadith condemn homosexuality and cross-dressing. "Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut (Lot), kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done."[1] The overall moral or theological principle is that a person who performs such actions (luti) challenges the harmony of God's creation, and is therefore a revolt against God So now you've dragged us into religion territory which is correct ? By the way you've done a fair bit of "judging" yourself to me and others on here ! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 5:40 PM John 47 - 2013-02-06 5:31 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 4:39 PM Sorry I was replying to John47 Look just get out of my face, If I want to judge anyone that's my prerogative. I've been told Rottweilers make good pets but I would not leave my grandson alone with one of them either. You'll call it paranoia no doubt, but that's my choice. Mind you I did hear of someone trying to breed them with using two males, so far they've had little success. ;-) perhaps they should try marrying them. :D I know its a biblical quote but they do have some good ones, you know : "Judge not lest ye be judged". Or to put it another way - if you dish it out you have to be prepared to take it. You, it seems, are quite prepared to dish it out but get very annoyed when someone points out the inconsistencies in your argument. Interesting that, eh? You need to look in the mirror from time to time mate, ;-) Funny that an athiest has any knowledge of the Bible, let alone needs to quote it to back up his point, next it will be using an Islam point' like a pick n mix to back up a point for you........................................ The mainstream interpretation of Qur'anic verses and hadith condemn homosexuality and cross-dressing. "Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut (Lot), kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done."[1] The overall moral or theological principle is that a person who performs such actions (luti) challenges the harmony of God's creation, and is therefore a revolt against God So now you've dragged us into religion territory which is correct ? That's a good one! I've provoked you into using a quote from the Q'ran to support your anti-gay argument. Brilliant! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 John 47 - 2013-02-06 5:51 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 5:40 PM John 47 - 2013-02-06 5:31 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 4:39 PM Sorry I was replying to John47 Look just get out of my face, If I want to judge anyone that's my prerogative. I've been told Rottweilers make good pets but I would not leave my grandson alone with one of them either. You'll call it paranoia no doubt, but that's my choice. Mind you I did hear of someone trying to breed them with using two males, so far they've had little success. ;-) perhaps they should try marrying them. :D I know its a biblical quote but they do have some good ones, you know : "Judge not lest ye be judged". Or to put it another way - if you dish it out you have to be prepared to take it. You, it seems, are quite prepared to dish it out but get very annoyed when someone points out the inconsistencies in your argument. Interesting that, eh? You need to look in the mirror from time to time mate, ;-) Funny that an athiest has any knowledge of the Bible, let alone needs to quote it to back up his point, next it will be using an Islam point' like a pick n mix to back up a point for you........................................ The mainstream interpretation of Qur'anic verses and hadith condemn homosexuality and cross-dressing. "Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut (Lot), kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done."[1] The overall moral or theological principle is that a person who performs such actions (luti) challenges the harmony of God's creation, and is therefore a revolt against God So now you've dragged us into religion territory which is correct ? That's a good one! I've provoked you into using a quote from the Q'ran to support your anti-gay argument. Brilliant! (lol) Is that the best you can come up with after 5 minutes thinking time. >:-) So come on as the defender of the Islamic faith lets here it Bible, or Koran ? who do you advise I listen to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 5:54 PM John 47 - 2013-02-06 5:51 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 5:40 PM John 47 - 2013-02-06 5:31 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 4:39 PM Sorry I was replying to John47 Look just get out of my face, If I want to judge anyone that's my prerogative. I've been told Rottweilers make good pets but I would not leave my grandson alone with one of them either. You'll call it paranoia no doubt, but that's my choice. Mind you I did hear of someone trying to breed them with using two males, so far they've had little success. ;-) perhaps they should try marrying them. :D I know its a biblical quote but they do have some good ones, you know : "Judge not lest ye be judged". Or to put it another way - if you dish it out you have to be prepared to take it. You, it seems, are quite prepared to dish it out but get very annoyed when someone points out the inconsistencies in your argument. Interesting that, eh? You need to look in the mirror from time to time mate, ;-) Funny that an athiest has any knowledge of the Bible, let alone needs to quote it to back up his point, next it will be using an Islam point' like a pick n mix to back up a point for you........................................ The mainstream interpretation of Qur'anic verses and hadith condemn homosexuality and cross-dressing. "Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut (Lot), kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done."[1] The overall moral or theological principle is that a person who performs such actions (luti) challenges the harmony of God's creation, and is therefore a revolt against God So now you've dragged us into religion territory which is correct ? That's a good one! I've provoked you into using a quote from the Q'ran to support your anti-gay argument. Brilliant! (lol) Is that the best you can come up with after 5 minutes thinking time. >:-) So come on as the defender of the Islamic faith lets here it Bible, or Koran ? who do you advise I listen to Take your pick - they're basically the same book anyway! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 John 47 - 2013-02-06 6:01 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 5:54 PM John 47 - 2013-02-06 5:51 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 5:40 PM John 47 - 2013-02-06 5:31 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 4:39 PM Sorry I was replying to John47 Look just get out of my face, If I want to judge anyone that's my prerogative. I've been told Rottweilers make good pets but I would not leave my grandson alone with one of them either. You'll call it paranoia no doubt, but that's my choice. Mind you I did hear of someone trying to breed them with using two males, so far they've had little success. ;-) perhaps they should try marrying them. :D I know its a biblical quote but they do have some good ones, you know : "Judge not lest ye be judged". Or to put it another way - if you dish it out you have to be prepared to take it. You, it seems, are quite prepared to dish it out but get very annoyed when someone points out the inconsistencies in your argument. Interesting that, eh? You need to look in the mirror from time to time mate, ;-) Funny that an athiest has any knowledge of the Bible, let alone needs to quote it to back up his point, next it will be using an Islam point' like a pick n mix to back up a point for you........................................ The mainstream interpretation of Qur'anic verses and hadith condemn homosexuality and cross-dressing. "Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut (Lot), kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done."[1] The overall moral or theological principle is that a person who performs such actions (luti) challenges the harmony of God's creation, and is therefore a revolt against God So now you've dragged us into religion territory which is correct ? That's a good one! I've provoked you into using a quote from the Q'ran to support your anti-gay argument. Brilliant! (lol) Is that the best you can come up with after 5 minutes thinking time. >:-) So come on as the defender of the Islamic faith lets here it Bible, or Koran ? who do you advise I listen to Take your pick - they're basically the same book anyway! (lol) KInd of tied yourself in knots have we, so not the Christian take on things, or the Islamic take on things eh. all very confusing And for a great scholar such as yourself to compare the Bible to the Qur'an alone is misleading and inaccurate, and you know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 6:05 PM John 47 - 2013-02-06 6:01 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 5:54 PM John 47 - 2013-02-06 5:51 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 5:40 PM John 47 - 2013-02-06 5:31 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-02-06 4:39 PM Sorry I was replying to John47 Look just get out of my face, If I want to judge anyone that's my prerogative. I've been told Rottweilers make good pets but I would not leave my grandson alone with one of them either. You'll call it paranoia no doubt, but that's my choice. Mind you I did hear of someone trying to breed them with using two males, so far they've had little success. ;-) perhaps they should try marrying them. :D I know its a biblical quote but they do have some good ones, you know : "Judge not lest ye be judged". Or to put it another way - if you dish it out you have to be prepared to take it. You, it seems, are quite prepared to dish it out but get very annoyed when someone points out the inconsistencies in your argument. Interesting that, eh? You need to look in the mirror from time to time mate, ;-) Funny that an athiest has any knowledge of the Bible, let alone needs to quote it to back up his point, next it will be using an Islam point' like a pick n mix to back up a point for you........................................ The mainstream interpretation of Qur'anic verses and hadith condemn homosexuality and cross-dressing. "Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut (Lot), kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done."[1] The overall moral or theological principle is that a person who performs such actions (luti) challenges the harmony of God's creation, and is therefore a revolt against God So now you've dragged us into religion territory which is correct ? That's a good one! I've provoked you into using a quote from the Q'ran to support your anti-gay argument. Brilliant! (lol) Is that the best you can come up with after 5 minutes thinking time. >:-) So come on as the defender of the Islamic faith lets here it Bible, or Koran ? who do you advise I listen to Take your pick - they're basically the same book anyway! (lol) KInd of tied yourself in knots have we, so not the Christian take on things, or the Islamic take on things eh. all very confusing And for a great scholar such as yourself to compare the Bible to the Qur'an alone is misleading and inaccurate, and you know that. Well, as an expert on tying yourself in knots as well as on all things religious, I'd have thought you'd be aware that the Talmud, the Bible and the Q'ran were all from the same source. But you're not one to let the facts stand in the way of a good argument are you? But time presses on and I'm due at a stoning in ten minutes so we'll just have to put this riveting converstion on hold for the time being (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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