Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 What is undeniable is sexual abuse is almost exclusively carried out by men on boys. It is very rare for girls to be sexually abused by women, uncomfortable but true non the less. Someone mentioned prostitutes somehow linking them to being evil, no they are and have been for millennia providing a service for the male of the species, some of whom will do anything for a leg over, put some men in an environment devoid of women,like prison, and sexual abuse of male on male is very common. Finally ask yourself one thing, does anyone really think pornography would exist but for male sexuality, be it heterosexual or homosexual. So have I ever been surprised about some clergy abusing boys in so called celibacy states, which in itself is a very unnatural state, well no not actually, they are men after all. ;-)
Guest peter Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 That's why i'ts so unatural for men to be celibate. Something's going to give sometime.
John 47 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-14 10:08 PM What is undeniable is sexual abuse is almost exclusively carried out by men on boys. It is deniable - I deny it! Most sexual abuse is certainly carried out by men but primarily on girls/women, not boys. But just as most Muslims are not terrorists and most Catholics are not child abusers and most eastern Europeans are not scroungers, most heterosexuals are, fortunately, not sexual abusers. What I object to is the general assumption that because some of any group are behaving appallingly then that means the whole of that group has to suffer in the eyes of many.
Guest peter Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 All except one foot, that is. He is only into self abuse. (lol) :$
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-14 10:18 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-14 10:08 PM What is undeniable is sexual abuse is almost exclusively carried out by men on boys. It is deniable - I deny it! Most sexual abuse is certainly carried out by men but primarily on girls/women, not boys. But just as most Muslims are not terrorists and most Catholics are not child abusers and most eastern Europeans are not scroungers, most heterosexuals are, fortunately, not sexual abusers. What I object to is the general assumption that because some of any group are behaving appallingly then that means the whole of that group has to suffer in the eyes of many. You misinterpret what I meant, for clarity I'll explain,and that is most sexual abuse that is confined to same sex, is male on male, you rarely hear of women abusing other woman or girls.
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-14 9:32 PM So, all Muslims are evil terrorists; all Catholics are evil child abusers; all east Europeans are going to swarm into the UK to use our benefits system; and all South Americans are after our land - is there anybody out there I am allowed to trust? Willy Wonka :D
spospe Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Thread drift alert !!!!!!!! This is not about the new pope .....
malc d Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 colin - 2013-03-14 8:13 PM maggyd - 2013-03-14 6:26 PM knight of the road - 2013-03-14 3:39 PM malc d - 2013-03-14 2:38 PM knight of the road - 2013-03-14 4:30 AM The new Pope has not been in the job 5 minutes when he is calling for the Falklands to be returned to Argentina, possibly more war and deaths caused by Catholicism? . I'm not aware that he has even mentioned the Falklands since he became Pope. Where was this reported ? It was seen in the Sun on Line for what it is worth, whether it was a quote from sometime in the past or while he has been made up to Pope over the last couple of days? OH Right it must be true then as its in The Sun *-) The long knives are out already. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9928855/Pope-Francis-branded-Britain-usurpers-over-Falklands-conflict.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/pope-francis-outdated-view-falklands-1763015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/falkland-islanders-greet-election-of-argentine-as-pope-francis-with-surprise-8533715.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/14/new-pope-francis-falkland-islands-views_n_2873946.html?utm_hp_ref=uk That enough references for you? . Had a quick look through those references and they would seem to confirm that since becoming Pope he has not " claimed the Falklands for Argentina within five minutes of getting the job " ;-)
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 malc d - 2013-03-15 9:41 AM Had a quick look through those references and they would seem to confirm that since becoming Pope he has not " claimed the Falklands for Argentina within five minutes of getting the job " ;-) Give him time Malc ;-)
malc d Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-15 9:54 AM malc d - 2013-03-15 9:41 AM Had a quick look through those references and they would seem to confirm that since becoming Pope he has not " claimed the Falklands for Argentina within five minutes of getting the job " ;-) Give him time Malc ;-) Indeed. It will be interesting to see if he gets involved again in that problem. As the major Catholic countries now seem to be in South America he may find it difficult to avoid the subject.
John 47 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-14 11:29 PM John 47 - 2013-03-14 10:18 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-14 10:08 PM What is undeniable is sexual abuse is almost exclusively carried out by men on boys. It is deniable - I deny it! Most sexual abuse is certainly carried out by men but primarily on girls/women, not boys. But just as most Muslims are not terrorists and most Catholics are not child abusers and most eastern Europeans are not scroungers, most heterosexuals are, fortunately, not sexual abusers. What I object to is the general assumption that because some of any group are behaving appallingly then that means the whole of that group has to suffer in the eyes of many. You misinterpret what I meant, for clarity I'll explain,and that is most sexual abuse that is confined to same sex, is male on male, you rarely hear of women abusing other woman or girls. Fair enough - but that isn't what you said. Getting back to my main point, why do all have to be tarred with the same brush. For example, I had never heard of this new Pope until a couple of days ago (and I suspect that is true of most people) yet within hours of his appointment he MUST be a child abuser, or at the very least covering up for other child abusers. Give the bloke a bloody chance - and I say that as an atheist.
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 malc d - 2013-03-15 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2013-03-15 9:54 AM malc d - 2013-03-15 9:41 AM Had a quick look through those references and they would seem to confirm that since becoming Pope he has not " claimed the Falklands for Argentina within five minutes of getting the job " ;-) Give him time Malc ;-) Indeed. It will be interesting to see if he gets involved again in that problem. As the major Catholic countries now seem to be in South America he may find it difficult to avoid the subject. Perhaps all the Falklanders should become Catholics :D
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-15 9:59 AM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-14 11:29 PM John 47 - 2013-03-14 10:18 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-14 10:08 PM What is undeniable is sexual abuse is almost exclusively carried out by men on boys. It is deniable - I deny it! Most sexual abuse is certainly carried out by men but primarily on girls/women, not boys. But just as most Muslims are not terrorists and most Catholics are not child abusers and most eastern Europeans are not scroungers, most heterosexuals are, fortunately, not sexual abusers. What I object to is the general assumption that because some of any group are behaving appallingly then that means the whole of that group has to suffer in the eyes of many. You misinterpret what I meant, for clarity I'll explain,and that is most sexual abuse that is confined to same sex, is male on male, you rarely hear of women abusing other woman or girls. yet within hours of his appointment he MUST be a child abuser, or at the very least covering up for other child abusers. Give the bloke a bloody chance - and I say that as an atheist. I'm not aware that anyone on this forum has said he MUST be a child abuser, or covering up child abusers. :-S But it has been an issue for years,and for the most part not dealt with, personally I could not give a roodoo about the new pope, IMO yet another reason to believe most of the human race is barking, believing in some mumbo jumbo that should have been left in the middle ages, if God does exist he must have been having an off day when he invented the human race. :'(
John 47 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-15 10:15 AM I'm not aware that anyone on this forum has said he MUST be a child abuser, or covering up child abusers. :-S You must have been reading a different thread to me then - try looking again at page 1!
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-15 11:27 AM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-15 10:15 AM I'm not aware that anyone on this forum has said he MUST be a child abuser, or covering up child abusers. :-S You must have been reading a different thread to me then - try looking again at page 1! "You must have been reading a different thread to me then" err, no "try looking again at page 1" err, I have, cannot find a single line from anyone saying that he MUST be a child abuser, or covering up child abusers. :-S I'm bound to say reading this makes for very troubling reading for anyone who cares to read it,and seems to show it is endemic, and has been for too long brushed over, or ignored. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
John 47 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-15 11:44 AM John 47 - 2013-03-15 11:27 AM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-15 10:15 AM I'm not aware that anyone on this forum has said he MUST be a child abuser, or covering up child abusers. :-S You must have been reading a different thread to me then - try looking again at page 1! "You must have been reading a different thread to me then" err, no "try looking again at page 1" err, I have, cannot find a single line from anyone saying that he MUST be a child abuser, or covering up child abusers. :-S I'm bound to say reading this makes for very troubling reading for anyone who cares to read it,and seems to show it is endemic, and has been for too long brushed over, or ignored. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases Well then, we'll just have to differ over the meaning of phrases such as "bunch of sick perverts" or "bunch of shirtlifters" and "tarred with the same brush" then, won't we! (lol)
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-15 1:59 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-15 11:44 AM John 47 - 2013-03-15 11:27 AM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-15 10:15 AM I'm not aware that anyone on this forum has said he MUST be a child abuser, or covering up child abusers. :-S You must have been reading a different thread to me then - try looking again at page 1! "You must have been reading a different thread to me then" err, no "try looking again at page 1" err, I have, cannot find a single line from anyone saying that he MUST be a child abuser, or covering up child abusers. :-S I'm bound to say reading this makes for very troubling reading for anyone who cares to read it,and seems to show it is endemic, and has been for too long brushed over, or ignored. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases Well then, we'll just have to differ over the meaning of phrases such as "bunch of sick perverts" or "bunch of shirtlifters" and "tarred with the same brush" then, won't we! (lol) Ah now I understand, that is your personal interpretation of some comments which you directly interpreted in to a specific accusation of the new pope that someone had said he " MUST be a child abuser, no one said that at all. ;-) Mind you in this day and age it seems people have to be either very dead, or in their eighties before stuff like that comes out. >:-)
John 47 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-15 2:17 PM Ah now I understand, that is your personal interpretation of some comments which you directly interpreted in to a specific accusation of the new pope that someone had said he " MUST be a child abuser, no one said that at all. ;-) Mind you in this day and age it seems people have to be either very dead, or in their eighties before stuff like that comes out. >:-) All interpretations are personal - by definition. The point is that people are intent on assuming the worst rather than giving people the benefit of the doubt unless and until something concrete emerges. Your final sentence comes under that heading - but you only put it in as a wind up, didn't you?
maggyd Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 peter - 2013-03-14 10:17 PM That's why i'ts so unatural for men to be celibate. Something's going to give sometime. I hate to admit it but YES I agree :-S if a Church of England Vicar can do his job well and have a wife WHY doesnt the Catholic Church face up to the fact that they would appeal to more of the people if they could empathize with ordinary people more and know what raising a family entails.
maggyd Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-15 9:54 AM malc d - 2013-03-15 9:41 AM Had a quick look through those references and they would seem to confirm that since becoming Pope he has not " claimed the Falklands for Argentina within five minutes of getting the job " ;-) Give him time Malc ;-) Now this could be a discussion for another thread :-D Who thinks we have a right to the Falklands?? >:-) DUCK !!!
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 maggyd - 2013-03-15 3:21 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-15 9:54 AM malc d - 2013-03-15 9:41 AM Had a quick look through those references and they would seem to confirm that since becoming Pope he has not " claimed the Falklands for Argentina within five minutes of getting the job " ;-) Give him time Malc ;-) Now this could be a discussion for another thread :-D Who thinks we have a right to the Falklands?? >:-) DUCK !!! Probably the families of the dead servicemen for a start :-|
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-15 3:39 PM maggyd - 2013-03-15 3:21 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-15 9:54 AM malc d - 2013-03-15 9:41 AM Had a quick look through those references and they would seem to confirm that since becoming Pope he has not " claimed the Falklands for Argentina within five minutes of getting the job " ;-) Give him time Malc ;-) Now this could be a discussion for another thread :-D Who thinks we have a right to the Falklands?? >:-) DUCK !!! Probably the families of the dead servicemen for a start :-| Which ones exactly, the 650 Argentinians or the 255 British, either of whom had no direct say in going or not. >:-) A load of nonsensical loss of life for no good reason that I can see. :-(
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-15 6:16 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-15 3:39 PM maggyd - 2013-03-15 3:21 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-15 9:54 AM malc d - 2013-03-15 9:41 AM Had a quick look through those references and they would seem to confirm that since becoming Pope he has not " claimed the Falklands for Argentina within five minutes of getting the job " ;-) Give him time Malc ;-) Now this could be a discussion for another thread :-D Who thinks we have a right to the Falklands?? >:-) DUCK !!! Probably the families of the dead servicemen for a start :-| Which ones exactly, the 650 Argentinians or the 255 British, either of whom had no direct say in going or not. >:-) And one should not forget it did once belong to Argentina, before we re-colonised it. ;-) It's got bog all to do with the score sheet *-).................there is an indigenous population who have been there for decades and they wish to remain British..........as they do in Gibraltar ;-)....... Argentina didn't give a toss for the place til they smelt oil...............but the world was ever thus :-S......
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Controversy exists over the Falklands' original discovery and subsequent colonisation by Europeans. At various times there have been French, British, Spanish, and Argentine settlements. I think if you look into the history of these islands it is far from clear cut who the rightful owners are, but what the hell do I care.
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-15 6:38 PM Controversy exists over the Falklands' original discovery and subsequent colonisation by Europeans. At various times there have been French, British, Spanish, and Argentine settlements. I think if you look into the history of these islands it is far from clear cut who the rightful owners are, but what the hell do I care. Rightful owner seems to depend on who yer mates are ;-).............hence Israel..........but at least with the Falklands we haven't managed to start a religious war................yet 8-)
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