nowtelse2do Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Maya and Aztec did sacrifices, It were the conquistadors that did it for fun, you know the Arggie's ancestors. :-D Dave
Guest pelmetman Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 nowtelse2do - 2013-03-17 8:49 PM Maya and Aztec did sacrifices, It were the conquistadors that did it for fun, you know the Arggie's ancestors. :-D Dave You don't mean that fine up standing Catholic nation Spain are involved? 8-)
John 47 Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-17 8:33 PM John 47 - 2013-03-17 8:29 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-17 6:52 PM John 47 - 2013-03-17 6:48 PM If I may interject in this competition to see who can be the biggest bigot, there is a school of thought currently that the Incas did not, in fact, engage in human sacrifice. Just in case anyone was thinking of tarring all Incas with the same brush! (lol) (lol) (lol) Is that the same school that thinks kiddy fiddling is an illness? :-S................I've heard of them ;-) ...........the school of professional excuses *-).............much loved by the liberal elite and lawyers >:-) No - its based on scientific evidence I believe. I'd better spell that out for some people who have clearly never heard the word before: e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e. Hope that's put your mind at rest. :-D So they didn't kill people as a human sacrifice :-S..............they just did it for fun? 8-) Human sacrifice: Dozens of Incas killed in ritual found in Peru Archaeologists in Peru have discovered the remains of nearly three dozen people sacrificed some 600 years ago by the Incan civilisation. The bodies, some of which show signs of having been cut along their necks and collarbones, were otherwise found in good condition, said Carlos Webster, who is leading excavations at the Chotuna-Chornancap camp. The sprawling 235-acre archeological site is 12 miles outside the coastal city of Chiclayo, near the ancient tomb of Sipan, which was one of the great finds of the last century. The sacrifices were made just decades before Spanish explorers arrived in what is now Peru. Although archeologists regularly find evidence of human sacrifice from Incan and pre-Incan cultures, it is rare to find the remains of 33 people in one place, researchers said. I didn't say they didn't sacrifice; I said there was a school of thought among archaeologists that now believes these were not sacrifices. In other words, there is always more than one way to look at things - unless you're one of the regulars on this forum, that is! :-D
Guest pelmetman Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-17 8:57 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-17 8:33 PM John 47 - 2013-03-17 8:29 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-17 6:52 PM John 47 - 2013-03-17 6:48 PM If I may interject in this competition to see who can be the biggest bigot, there is a school of thought currently that the Incas did not, in fact, engage in human sacrifice. Just in case anyone was thinking of tarring all Incas with the same brush! (lol) (lol) (lol) Is that the same school that thinks kiddy fiddling is an illness? :-S................I've heard of them ;-) ...........the school of professional excuses *-).............much loved by the liberal elite and lawyers >:-) No - its based on scientific evidence I believe. I'd better spell that out for some people who have clearly never heard the word before: e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e. Hope that's put your mind at rest. :-D So they didn't kill people as a human sacrifice :-S..............they just did it for fun? 8-) Human sacrifice: Dozens of Incas killed in ritual found in Peru Archaeologists in Peru have discovered the remains of nearly three dozen people sacrificed some 600 years ago by the Incan civilisation. The bodies, some of which show signs of having been cut along their necks and collarbones, were otherwise found in good condition, said Carlos Webster, who is leading excavations at the Chotuna-Chornancap camp. The sprawling 235-acre archeological site is 12 miles outside the coastal city of Chiclayo, near the ancient tomb of Sipan, which was one of the great finds of the last century. The sacrifices were made just decades before Spanish explorers arrived in what is now Peru. Although archeologists regularly find evidence of human sacrifice from Incan and pre-Incan cultures, it is rare to find the remains of 33 people in one place, researchers said. I didn't say they didn't sacrifice; I said there was a school of thought among archaeologists that now believes these were not sacrifices. In other words, there is always more than one way to look at things - unless you're one of the regulars on this forum, that is! :-D Call me small minded ;-).............but there's only one way to look at being dead *-).......whether it fits in with some twendy wendy scientific theory or not 8-)
John 47 Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-17 9:05 PM Call me small minded ;-).............but there's only one way to look at being dead *-).......whether it fits in with some twendy wendy scientific theory or not 8-) OK, you're small-minded. :-D It may not matter too much to the dead person but there are several ways of being dead - including natural causes, murder, suicide and sacrifice. But on a serious note it is interesting that you are clearly prepared to believe the theory that you posted but not that of other academics who have come to different conclusions based on the same evidence. If I am correct in assuming that you are not a South American archaeologist then that doesn't say much for your objectivity. I don't know which of them is right, so I keep an open mind.
Guest pelmetman Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-17 9:13 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-17 9:05 PM Call me small minded ;-).............but there's only one way to look at being dead *-).......whether it fits in with some twendy wendy scientific theory or not 8-) OK, you're small-minded. :-D It may not matter too much to the dead person but there are several ways of being dead - including natural causes, murder, suicide and sacrifice. But on a serious note it is interesting that you are clearly prepared to believe the theory that you posted but not that of other academics who have come to different conclusions based on the same evidence. If I am correct in assuming that you are not a South American archaeologist then that doesn't say much for your objectivity. I don't know which of them is right, so I keep an open mind. Well my small mind has managed to work out that having your throat cut enmass...... doesn't equal natural causes or suicide ;-)..........................murder and sacrifice are one in the same thing *-) ..........and religion has plenty of blood on its hands >:-)
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Ah evidence eh, what like the Birmingham 6, or the Guildford 4. It all depends on the accuracy of that evidence to begin with, one thing is for certain though religion has been at the heart of millions of lives lost over generations, can never understand why this all seeing God does not show himself, and say enough is enough.
nightrider Posted March 18, 2013 Author Posted March 18, 2013 This group never ceases to amaze and amuse me, the membership is composed of what you might call well heeled people with good jobs, pensions and supposedly with a touch of grey matter between the ears, but what do you get? personal insults by the bucket flying round, the membership of my facebook group would leave you lot standing, exactly the same subjects are discussed with nary an insult to be seen or heard, no wonder I dont use this group as much as I have done in the past. The fun has gone out of it.
John 47 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-17 9:25 PM John 47 - 2013-03-17 9:13 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-17 9:05 PM Call me small minded ;-).............but there's only one way to look at being dead *-).......whether it fits in with some twendy wendy scientific theory or not 8-) OK, you're small-minded. :-D It may not matter too much to the dead person but there are several ways of being dead - including natural causes, murder, suicide and sacrifice. But on a serious note it is interesting that you are clearly prepared to believe the theory that you posted but not that of other academics who have come to different conclusions based on the same evidence. If I am correct in assuming that you are not a South American archaeologist then that doesn't say much for your objectivity. I don't know which of them is right, so I keep an open mind. Well my small mind has managed to work out that having your throat cut enmass...... doesn't equal natural causes or suicide ;-)..........................murder and sacrifice are one in the same thing *-) ..........and religion has plenty of blood on its hands >:-) Murder and sacrifice are the same thing??????? And just to demonstrate your lack of objectivity furhter, try this as a possibility - several people with their thoats cut could represent the outcome of a trial for murder. You are falling into the trap of having a set view and then trying to make sure the evidence fits it. Yes, religion has plenty of blood on its hands but that doesn't mean every death is down to religion - or that all other alternatives are any better.
John 47 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-17 10:39 PM Ah evidence eh, what like the Birmingham 6, or the Guildford 4. It all depends on the accuracy of that evidence to begin with, one thing is for certain though religion has been at the heart of millions of lives lost over generations, can never understand why this all seeing God does not show himself, and say enough is enough. The first part of what you say is very true - which is why nothing is ever certain and you need to be wary of making sweeping generalisations. Judge people by what they say and do, not by your prejudices. To bring this back to the original post, give the guy a chance!
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 Must be pretty boring again today in sunny Spain, ;-) or can't find anyone in the flesh to pick an argument with eh. :D Must confess if I wasn't walled up here in freezing Wales, the last thing I'd be doing is taking an interest in this forum, or this mumbo jumbo stuff, religion.
Guest pelmetman Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-18 8:46 AM Murder and sacrifice are the same thing??????? And just to demonstrate your lack of objectivity furhter, try this as a possibility - several people with their thoats cut could represent the outcome of a trial for murder. You are falling into the trap of having a set view and then trying to make sure the evidence fits it. Yes, religion has plenty of blood on its hands but that doesn't mean every death is down to religion - or that all other alternatives are any better. "Most of the remains belong to young women, around 15 years of age. One of them appears to have been pregnant because in her abdomen, the collarbone of a fetus, probably around 4 months, was found," Mr Webster said of the latest find, made over the past year and a half. Teenage Inca girls well known for there murderous intentions were they?............or is that another of those new scientific twendy wendy theories ? ;-)
John 47 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-18 10:03 AM John 47 - 2013-03-18 8:46 AM Murder and sacrifice are the same thing??????? And just to demonstrate your lack of objectivity furhter, try this as a possibility - several people with their thoats cut could represent the outcome of a trial for murder. You are falling into the trap of having a set view and then trying to make sure the evidence fits it. Yes, religion has plenty of blood on its hands but that doesn't mean every death is down to religion - or that all other alternatives are any better. "Most of the remains belong to young women, around 15 years of age. One of them appears to have been pregnant because in her abdomen, the collarbone of a fetus, probably around 4 months, was found," Mr Webster said of the latest find, made over the past year and a half. Teenage Inca girls well known for there murderous intentions were they?............or is that another of those new scientific twendy wendy theories ? ;-) I repeat, I have no view one way or the other but archaeologists dispute among themselves whether or not what they are finding is the result of religious sacrifice. The point I was making (as you very well know) is that there is always more than one way of looking at things and it is dangerous to either jump to conclusions or generalise. As for murderous teenage girls - well, yes I have known a few! (lol)
John 47 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-18 9:44 AM Must be pretty boring again today in sunny Spain, ;-) or can't find anyone in the flesh to pick an argument with eh. :D Must confess if I wasn't walled up here in freezing Wales, the last thing I'd be doing is taking an interest in this forum, or this mumbo jumbo stuff, religion. 23 Celcius here - I'm taking a break and getting some shade!
Guest pelmetman Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-18 10:07 AM pelmetman - 2013-03-18 10:03 AM John 47 - 2013-03-18 8:46 AM Murder and sacrifice are the same thing??????? And just to demonstrate your lack of objectivity furhter, try this as a possibility - several people with their thoats cut could represent the outcome of a trial for murder. You are falling into the trap of having a set view and then trying to make sure the evidence fits it. Yes, religion has plenty of blood on its hands but that doesn't mean every death is down to religion - or that all other alternatives are any better. "Most of the remains belong to young women, around 15 years of age. One of them appears to have been pregnant because in her abdomen, the collarbone of a fetus, probably around 4 months, was found," Mr Webster said of the latest find, made over the past year and a half. Teenage Inca girls well known for there murderous intentions were they?............or is that another of those new scientific twendy wendy theories ? ;-) I repeat, I have no view one way or the other but archaeologists dispute among themselves whether or not what they are finding is the result of religious sacrifice. The point I was making (as you very well know) is that there is always more than one way of looking at things and it is dangerous to either jump to conclusions or generalise. As for murderous teenage girls - well, yes I have known a few! (lol) But 33 in one place? 8-)...............have you not heard of the law of averages ;-)
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-18 10:08 AM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-18 9:44 AM Must be pretty boring again today in sunny Spain, ;-) or can't find anyone in the flesh to pick an argument with eh. :D Must confess if I wasn't walled up here in freezing Wales, the last thing I'd be doing is taking an interest in this forum, or this mumbo jumbo stuff, religion. 23 Celcius here - I'm taking a break and getting some shade! Must confess you've put me right of any idea of winter sun, if you spend every moment when your taking a break, waiting to post on here, and try to provoke yet another spat with someone or other it sounds as boring as hell, still I see you've got your sights on Pelmetman now. ;-) at least that's giving me a break.
John 47 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-18 10:34 AM John 47 - 2013-03-18 10:08 AM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-18 9:44 AM Must be pretty boring again today in sunny Spain, ;-) or can't find anyone in the flesh to pick an argument with eh. :D Must confess if I wasn't walled up here in freezing Wales, the last thing I'd be doing is taking an interest in this forum, or this mumbo jumbo stuff, religion. 23 Celcius here - I'm taking a break and getting some shade! Must confess you've put me right of any idea of winter sun, if you spend every moment when your taking a break, waiting to post on here, and try to provoke yet another spat with someone or other it sounds as boring as hell, still I see you've got your sights on Pelmetman now. ;-) at least that's giving me a break. Well, since you're so interested, we are Radio 4 addicts - have it on in the background from morning till night. Down here in Almeria, we play it via the computer. The computer is therefore on all day and when I come in for a spot of shade or a cool drink I also idly flick through my favourite websites to see what laughs there are to be had from the latest idiocy. I get quite a few laughs from this forum. Now off out again to see how warm the sea is. :-D
John 47 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-18 10:19 AM But 33 in one place? 8-)...............have you not heard of the law of averages ;-) Interesting one that - there is no such law. Another myth. Have a nice day (lol)
antony1969 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 Almeria is currently experiencing it's highest suicide rates !
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 antony1969 - 2013-03-18 12:25 PM Almeria is currently experiencing it's highest suicide rates ! Probably the presence of John47, that would be enough to push anyone over the edge. ;-) And wait till his Spanish internet connection realises he's streaming radio data at about 57 Mb an hour,about half a gig per day assuming what he says is correct, that he really is in Spain, and not walled up in the UK like the rest of us. >:-)
antony1969 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-18 12:50 PM antony1969 - 2013-03-18 12:25 PM Almeria is currently experiencing it's highest suicide rates ! Probably the presence of John47, that would be enough to push anyone over the edge. ;-) And wait till his Spanish internet connection realises he's streaming radio data at about 57 Mb an hour,about half a gig per day assuming what he says is correct, that he really is in Spain, and not walled up in the UK like the rest of us. >:-)[/ If he spends so much time out of the sun on chatterbox morons club ( cracks me up everytime that ) then the internet probably offers him relief in many ways .
RogerC Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 mmmmm yet another thread which clearly illustrates the diversity of views and those who spend so much time sitting 'on the fence' they must have sore backsides.....and John remember a certain historical era (and TV skit).....'No one expects the Spanish Inquisition'......especially when listening to Radio 4 :-)
John 47 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-18 12:50 PM antony1969 - 2013-03-18 12:25 PM Almeria is currently experiencing it's highest suicide rates ! Probably the presence of John47, that would be enough to push anyone over the edge. ;-) And wait till his Spanish internet connection realises he's streaming radio data at about 57 Mb an hour,about half a gig per day assuming what he says is correct, that he really is in Spain, and not walled up in the UK like the rest of us. >:-) No bodies littering the region as far as I can see (lol) and we pay £20 per month for unlimited internet connection so all is well thankyou very much. Sea temperature a bit cool though - I suppose you can't have everything! You should try it down here, it might make you a bit less miserable (lol)
antony1969 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-18 2:57 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-18 12:50 PM antony1969 - 2013-03-18 12:25 PM Almeria is currently experiencing it's highest suicide rates ! Probably the presence of John47, that would be enough to push anyone over the edge. ;-) And wait till his Spanish internet connection realises he's streaming radio data at about 57 Mb an hour,about half a gig per day assuming what he says is correct, that he really is in Spain, and not walled up in the UK like the rest of us. >:-) No bodies littering the region as far as I can see (lol) and we pay £20 per month for unlimited internet connection so all is well thankyou very much. Sea temperature a bit cool though - I suppose you can't have everything! You should try it down here, it might make you a bit less miserable (lol) You won't see no bodies in your motor on the net will you john ? The longer you stay inside there the safer and happier the locals will be
Guest pelmetman Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-18 12:15 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-18 10:19 AM But 33 in one place? 8-)...............have you not heard of the law of averages ;-) Interesting one that - there is no such law. Another myth. Have a nice day (lol) Sorry my mistake I forgot how pedantic you are *-)........its a lay mans term ;-)..............by which I meant your suggestion, that the 33 teenage Inca bodies could be all murderers who had been executed...........is barking :D Its some what Ironic though that a thread about the pope includes human sacrifice 8-).............
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