Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-21 8:42 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-21 8:32 PM Well that's just so Gordon Brown of you :D............in a general discussion about EU immigration how would you "Prefer" the people we are talking about described?..... :-S I'm not arguing about the labels; I'm arguing that just because there are some Roma crooks it doesn't mean that ALL Roma are crooks. Simple point. You know very well what I am saying, despite your diversionary tactics. You clearly have no answer to that point so you resort to personal attack. Not very original but that is what you do. PS At the last EU elections there was only one Roma MEP. She represents Hungary - for the Conservatives. An interesting point but what does it tell you about other Roma? Nothing. Judge people as individuals and you will have no problem from me; judge them as groups and I will be there. And who the hell do you think cares a damn about you "being there" your already a legend in a couple of months on here showing up your sheer idiocy at every turn. Let's fill the UK up with Roma gypsies, Muslims, and all the other groups you are so passionate to defend, Del boy comment comes to mind, PLONKER.
Guest pelmetman Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-21 8:42 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-21 8:32 PM Well that's just so Gordon Brown of you :D............in a general discussion about EU immigration how would you "Prefer" the people we are talking about described?..... :-S I'm not arguing about the labels; I'm arguing that just because there are some Roma crooks it doesn't mean that ALL Roma are crooks. Simple point. You know very well what I am saying, despite your diversionary tactics. You clearly have no answer to that point so you resort to personal attack. Not very original but that is what you do. PS At the last EU elections there was only one Roma MEP. She represents Hungary - for the Conservatives. An interesting point but what does it tell you about other Roma? Nothing. Judge people as individuals and you will have no problem from me; judge them as groups and I will be there. So if we have a problem with a few hundred thousand "Big Issue" sellers from a certain country we have to deal with them individually? 8-)...........Do have shares in a legal firm or sumfink? :-S
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-21 9:02 PM John 47 - 2013-03-21 8:42 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-21 8:32 PM Well that's just so Gordon Brown of you :D............in a general discussion about EU immigration how would you "Prefer" the people we are talking about described?..... :-S I'm not arguing about the labels; I'm arguing that just because there are some Roma crooks it doesn't mean that ALL Roma are crooks. Simple point. You know very well what I am saying, despite your diversionary tactics. You clearly have no answer to that point so you resort to personal attack. Not very original but that is what you do. PS At the last EU elections there was only one Roma MEP. She represents Hungary - for the Conservatives. An interesting point but what does it tell you about other Roma? Nothing. Judge people as individuals and you will have no problem from me; judge them as groups and I will be there. So if we have a problem with a few hundred thousand "Big Issue" sellers from a certain country we have to deal with them individually? 8-). :-S Yes I think you've got it, you must treat any group as individuals, like members of Al Queda, don't tar them all with the same brush. ;-)
Guest pelmetman Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-21 9:08 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-21 9:02 PM John 47 - 2013-03-21 8:42 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-21 8:32 PM Well that's just so Gordon Brown of you :D............in a general discussion about EU immigration how would you "Prefer" the people we are talking about described?..... :-S I'm not arguing about the labels; I'm arguing that just because there are some Roma crooks it doesn't mean that ALL Roma are crooks. Simple point. You know very well what I am saying, despite your diversionary tactics. You clearly have no answer to that point so you resort to personal attack. Not very original but that is what you do. PS At the last EU elections there was only one Roma MEP. She represents Hungary - for the Conservatives. An interesting point but what does it tell you about other Roma? Nothing. Judge people as individuals and you will have no problem from me; judge them as groups and I will be there. So if we have a problem with a few hundred thousand "Big Issue" sellers from a certain country we have to deal with them individually? 8-). :-S Yes I think you've got it, you must treat any group as individuals, like members of Al Queda, don't tar them all with the same brush. ;-) Thought so *-)............and the country and the EU is run by thousands of John47's 8-)...........well that explains a lot...............especially if their boss is Had Enough :D
John 47 Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-21 9:08 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-21 9:02 PM John 47 - 2013-03-21 8:42 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-21 8:32 PM Well that's just so Gordon Brown of you :D............in a general discussion about EU immigration how would you "Prefer" the people we are talking about described?..... :-S I'm not arguing about the labels; I'm arguing that just because there are some Roma crooks it doesn't mean that ALL Roma are crooks. Simple point. You know very well what I am saying, despite your diversionary tactics. You clearly have no answer to that point so you resort to personal attack. Not very original but that is what you do. PS At the last EU elections there was only one Roma MEP. She represents Hungary - for the Conservatives. An interesting point but what does it tell you about other Roma? Nothing. Judge people as individuals and you will have no problem from me; judge them as groups and I will be there. So if we have a problem with a few hundred thousand "Big Issue" sellers from a certain country we have to deal with them individually? 8-). :-S Yes I think you've got it, you must treat any group as individuals, like members of Al Queda, don't tar them all with the same brush. ;-) To answer both of you at the same time - YES. That is the basis of the English legal system. You and I are fortunate enough to live in a country where people are presumed innocent unless and until they are proved guilty and I am sure that you would not want it any other way - so why apply different rules to anyone else? WHEN it has been shown that, for example, a certain group individuals are members of Al Qaeda then treat then accordingly but to assume (as you do, onefoot) that all Muslims are by definition supporting Al Qaeda without any evidence at all is clearly nonsense. And, despite your pathetic attempts to prove otherwise, my views do not mean that we can do nothing about immigration. But if you start saying that we should allow in, say, French people, but keep out Romanians then that is discrimination and will be opposed. Oh and, onefoot, you ask who cares if I am there - well the answer to that is that you obviously do or else you wouldn't spend so much time trying to belittle me. (lol)
John 47 Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-21 8:54 PM Let's fill the UK up with Roma gypsies, Muslims, and all the other groups you are so passionate to defend, Del boy comment comes to mind, PLONKER. Still avoiding the question and pretending I said things I didn't, I see. I don't defend any groups, passionately or otherwise. I treat ALL people as individuals not as members of a group. I judge them individually and conclude that some of them are evil, some of them are criminal, some of them are brilliant, some of them are friendly, some of them are like you (but I hope not many). You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-21 9:24 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-21 8:54 PM Let's fill the UK up with Roma gypsies, Muslims, and all the other groups you are so passionate to defend, Del boy comment comes to mind, PLONKER. Still avoiding the question and pretending I said things I didn't, I see. I don't defend any groups, passionately or otherwise. I treat ALL people as individuals not as members of a group. I judge them individually and conclude that some of them are evil, some of them are criminal, some of them are brilliant, some of them are friendly, some of them are like you (but I hope not many). You really are an idiot, aren't you? I swear to God john47 if you had said that to me in the flesh right at this minute, one of us would be hospitalised, I think this has gone far enough to satisfy yourself. And P'S I'm a pacifist by nature, but would gladly make an exception in your case.
John 47 Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-21 9:29 PM John 47 - 2013-03-21 9:24 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-21 8:54 PM Let's fill the UK up with Roma gypsies, Muslims, and all the other groups you are so passionate to defend, Del boy comment comes to mind, PLONKER. Still avoiding the question and pretending I said things I didn't, I see. I don't defend any groups, passionately or otherwise. I treat ALL people as individuals not as members of a group. I judge them individually and conclude that some of them are evil, some of them are criminal, some of them are brilliant, some of them are friendly, some of them are like you (but I hope not many). You really are an idiot, aren't you? I swear to God john47 if you had said that to me in the flesh right at this minute, one of us would be hospitalised, I think this has gone far enough to satisfy yourself. And P'S I'm a pacifist by nature, but would gladly make an exception in your case. So you are happy to throw out random insults about other people (not just me, by a long way) but when someone returns the compliment you get violent. For what its worth, I would never normally call anyone an idiot but I used that insult with you to see what your reaction would be to receiving the kind of medicine you regularly dish out to others. Interesting response, although I don't suppose for one moment it will make you change your ways.
Guest pelmetman Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-21 9:18 PM To answer both of you at the same time - YES. That is the basis of the English legal system. You and I are fortunate enough to live in a country where people are presumed innocent unless and until they are proved guilty and I am sure that you would not want it any other way - so why apply different rules to anyone else? WHEN it has been shown that, for example, a certain group individuals are members of Al Qaeda then treat then accordingly but to assume (as you do, onefoot) that all Muslims are by definition supporting Al Qaeda without any evidence at all is clearly nonsense. And, despite your pathetic attempts to prove otherwise, my views do not mean that we can do nothing about immigration. But if you start saying that we should allow in, say, French people, but keep out Romanians then that is discrimination and will be opposed. ) I might be wrong but this forum is not a court of law :-S.........So in a general discussion of a current problem with a influx of a certain Eastern European nation we are not allowed to mention names, unless we know their nationality, ethnic grouping etc etc8-)...................so when we are wall to wall with Johnny Foreigner and the country is has gone to the dogs you'll be happy? *-)........... Well you might be happy to live in a third world country *-) .........but I and I suspect the majority of the UK is not ;-)
John 47 Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-21 9:37 PM John 47 - 2013-03-21 9:18 PM To answer both of you at the same time - YES. That is the basis of the English legal system. You and I are fortunate enough to live in a country where people are presumed innocent unless and until they are proved guilty and I am sure that you would not want it any other way - so why apply different rules to anyone else? WHEN it has been shown that, for example, a certain group individuals are members of Al Qaeda then treat then accordingly but to assume (as you do, onefoot) that all Muslims are by definition supporting Al Qaeda without any evidence at all is clearly nonsense. And, despite your pathetic attempts to prove otherwise, my views do not mean that we can do nothing about immigration. But if you start saying that we should allow in, say, French people, but keep out Romanians then that is discrimination and will be opposed. ) I might be wrong but this forum is not a court of law :-S.........So in a general discussion of a current problem with a influx of a certain Eastern European nation we are not allowed to mention names, unless we know their nationality, ethnic grouping etc etc8-)...................so when we are wall to wall with Johnny Foreigner and the country is has gone to the dogs you'll be happy? *-)........... Well you might be happy to live in a third world country *-) .........but I and I suspect the majority of the UK is not ;-) Sheer gobbleddegook. And if you look at where I entered this discussion it was long after several references to Romania (including your own). I did not think that they merited a comment but I came in when someone posted that all Roma were bad news. You made the point in your opening post that not all Romanians are bad; I saw nothing wrong with that post (despite your attempt to goad me into a response). I did, however see something wrong with the one I responded to. So for you to go off on a flight of fancy and pretend I said that we can't mention names etc is sheer nonsense. As for the bit about being wall to wall with foreigners - please tell me how you get that from anything I have said.
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-21 9:37 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-21 9:29 PM John 47 - 2013-03-21 9:24 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-21 8:54 PM Let's fill the UK up with Roma gypsies, Muslims, and all the other groups you are so passionate to defend, Del boy comment comes to mind, PLONKER. Still avoiding the question and pretending I said things I didn't, I see. I don't defend any groups, passionately or otherwise. I treat ALL people as individuals not as members of a group. I judge them individually and conclude that some of them are evil, some of them are criminal, some of them are brilliant, some of them are friendly, some of them are like you (but I hope not many). You really are an idiot, aren't you? I swear to God john47 if you had said that to me in the flesh right at this minute, one of us would be hospitalised, I think this has gone far enough to satisfy yourself. And P'S I'm a pacifist by nature, but would gladly make an exception in your case. the kind of medicine you regularly dish out to others.. Funny thing is before you came on the scene I don't recall a single time, you really do bring out the best in folk since you joined, even provoking your very own thread, Now bugger off and find a Tapas bar, try not to choke on a spot of squid . ;-)
Guest pelmetman Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-21 9:44 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-21 9:37 PM John 47 - 2013-03-21 9:18 PM To answer both of you at the same time - YES. That is the basis of the English legal system. You and I are fortunate enough to live in a country where people are presumed innocent unless and until they are proved guilty and I am sure that you would not want it any other way - so why apply different rules to anyone else? WHEN it has been shown that, for example, a certain group individuals are members of Al Qaeda then treat then accordingly but to assume (as you do, onefoot) that all Muslims are by definition supporting Al Qaeda without any evidence at all is clearly nonsense. And, despite your pathetic attempts to prove otherwise, my views do not mean that we can do nothing about immigration. But if you start saying that we should allow in, say, French people, but keep out Romanians then that is discrimination and will be opposed. ) I might be wrong but this forum is not a court of law :-S.........So in a general discussion of a current problem with a influx of a certain Eastern European nation we are not allowed to mention names, unless we know their nationality, ethnic grouping etc etc8-)...................so when we are wall to wall with Johnny Foreigner and the country is has gone to the dogs you'll be happy? *-)........... Well you might be happy to live in a third world country *-) .........but I and I suspect the majority of the UK is not ;-) Sheer gobbleddegook. And if you look at where I entered this discussion it was long after several references to Romania (including your own). I did not think that they merited a comment but I came in when someone posted that all Roma were bad news. You made the point in your opening post that not all Romanians are bad; I saw nothing wrong with that post (despite your attempt to goad me into a response). I did, however see something wrong with the one I responded to. So for you to go off on a flight of fancy and pretend I said that we can't mention names etc is sheer nonsense. As for the bit about being wall to wall with foreigners - please tell me how you get that from anything I have said. Gawden bleedin bennet *-).............this could be a long night (lol)...........alright you had a bit of a rough ride when you first joined the forum ;-)................but you did come in all guns blazing ;-) We now know your particular peccadillo is that we are all individuals.........well how do we deal with a mass immigration problem unless we give them a name/label??? :-S
donna miller Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 I'm gonna get it in the neck for this but I've got broad shoulders, I'm kinda in agreement with John on his stance, not for any one point in particular , but in general. I'm friendly with and know on a personal basis dozens of 'outlaw' bikers, members of the Hells Angels as well as other full patch members of other bike clubs such as the Outlaws and several of their support clubs. Yes there are bad 'uns amongst them, but there are also dozens of ex/current forces guys who are bikers and are nothing but true gents and pillars of society. But they get tarred with the same brush because of the lifestyle they choose. Now I have said I agree with John's stance on not classing everybody the same and I do, but let's be honest here people, imagine you are parked up on a nice campsite with SWMBO and the 2 grandkids you've agreed to take away for the week when a party of 100 bikers in full gear turn up and set camp, what's your initial reaction? Let's see who's honest enough to answer that truthfully.
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-21 9:58 PM John 47 - 2013-03-21 9:44 PM pelmetman - 2013-03-21 9:37 PM John 47 - 2013-03-21 9:18 PM To answer both of you at the same time - YES. That is the basis of the English legal system. You and I are fortunate enough to live in a country where people are presumed innocent unless and until they are proved guilty and I am sure that you would not want it any other way - so why apply different rules to anyone else? WHEN it has been shown that, for example, a certain group individuals are members of Al Qaeda then treat then accordingly but to assume (as you do, onefoot) that all Muslims are by definition supporting Al Qaeda without any evidence at all is clearly nonsense. And, despite your pathetic attempts to prove otherwise, my views do not mean that we can do nothing about immigration. But if you start saying that we should allow in, say, French people, but keep out Romanians then that is discrimination and will be opposed. ) I might be wrong but this forum is not a court of law :-S.........So in a general discussion of a current problem with a influx of a certain Eastern European nation we are not allowed to mention names, unless we know their nationality, ethnic grouping etc etc8-)...................so when we are wall to wall with Johnny Foreigner and the country is has gone to the dogs you'll be happy? *-)........... Well you might be happy to live in a third world country *-) .........but I and I suspect the majority of the UK is not ;-) Sheer gobbleddegook. And if you look at where I entered this discussion it was long after several references to Romania (including your own). I did not think that they merited a comment but I came in when someone posted that all Roma were bad news. You made the point in your opening post that not all Romanians are bad; I saw nothing wrong with that post (despite your attempt to goad me into a response). I did, however see something wrong with the one I responded to. So for you to go off on a flight of fancy and pretend I said that we can't mention names etc is sheer nonsense. As for the bit about being wall to wall with foreigners - please tell me how you get that from anything I have said. Gawden bleedin bennet *-).............this could be a long night (lol)...........alright you had a bit of a rough ride when you first joined the forum ;-)................but you did come in all guns blazing ;-) We now know your particular peccadillo is that we are all individuals.........well how do we deal with a mass immigration problem unless we give them a name/label??? :-S I think he should have a word with the French government who sent very many Roma gypsies back to their country of origin, because they were ALL Roma gypsies. :D
Guest pelmetman Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 donna miller - 2013-03-21 10:01 PM I'm gonna get it in the neck for this but I've got broad shoulders, I'm kinda in agreement with John on his stance, not for any one point in particular , but in general. I'm friendly with and know on a personal basis dozens of 'outlaw' bikers, members of the Hells Angels as well as other full patch members of other bike clubs such as the Outlaws and several of their support clubs. Yes there are bad 'uns amongst them, but there are also dozens of ex/current forces guys who are bikers and are nothing but true gents and pillars of society. But they get tarred with the same brush because of the lifestyle they choose. Now I have said I agree with John's stance on not classing everybody the same and I do, but let's be honest here people, imagine you are parked up on a nice campsite with SWMBO and the 2 grandkids you've agreed to take away for the week when a party of 100 bikers in full gear turn up and set camp, what's your initial reaction? Let's see who's honest enough to answer that truthfully. They won't park next to me because I have an old camper, and a proper charcoal bbq ;-)............and if that don't scare em off I'll leave my Ukulele on show :D But to answer your question Donna ;-)...............as long as they don't have kids I'll be happy :D
donna miller Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 To prove my point, it may have been a stunt, but the couples were real. http://www.videobash.com/video_show/carlsberg-stunts-with-bikers-in-cinema-49157 Dave, you would probably be one of those that pushed their way to the empty seats. :-D
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 donna miller - 2013-03-21 10:01 PM I'm gonna get it in the neck for this but I've got broad shoulders, I'm kinda in agreement with John on his stance, not for any one point in particular , but in general. I'm friendly with and know on a personal basis dozens of 'outlaw' bikers, members of the Hells Angels as well as other full patch members of other bike clubs such as the Outlaws and several of their support clubs. Yes there are bad 'uns amongst them, but there are also dozens of ex/current forces guys who are bikers and are nothing but true gents and pillars of society. But they get tarred with the same brush because of the lifestyle they choose. Now I have said I agree with John's stance on not classing everybody the same and I do, but let's be honest here people, imagine you are parked up on a nice campsite with SWMBO and the 2 grandkids you've agreed to take away for the week when a party of 100 bikers in full gear turn up and set camp, what's your initial reaction? Let's see who's honest enough to answer that truthfully. Well as a former "Mod" I'd probably think they were out to recreate Brighton for old times sake, and give my Lambretta a good kicking, or rip all my mirrors off, only to see it had been replaced by my zimmer frame :D
Guest pelmetman Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 donna miller - 2013-03-21 10:14 PM Dave, you would probably be one of those that pushed their way to the empty seats. :-D Naah................. I'd of farted and cleared the place ;-)..............I hate crowds :D
John 47 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-21 9:53 PM Funny thing is before you came on the scene I don't recall a single time, you really do bring out the best in folk since you joined, even provoking your very own thread, Now bugger off and find a Tapas bar, try not to choke on a spot of squid . ;-) Don't fool yourself - you were already faamous for it when I arrived :-D
John 47 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-03-21 10:02 PM I think he should have a word with the French government who sent very many Roma gypsies back to their country of origin, because they were ALL Roma gypsies. :D Now that was a brilliant example of complete and utter government stupidity. Give them all money to go home; they go home for a holiday and then return because as EU citizens they have the right to free movement. One day a government will think before it acts but I wouldn't hold your breathe! But the relity of that idiotic decision was that it was all to do with Sarkozy wanting to win over some of the BNP votes so he might have a better chance of winning the election. That didn't work either, did it?
John 47 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-21 9:58 PM We now know your particular peccadillo is that we are all individuals.........well how do we deal with a mass immigration problem unless we give them a name/label??? :-S I don't know whether you are being deliberately obtuse or whether you simply don't read what people write but I have never once either said or implied that you can't "label" people. I have also said absolutely nothing that would limit the country's ability to control immigration (the government seem to be able to cock that one up without any outside help). Having said that, whether or not you label people has nothing whatsoever to do with controlling immigration - unless you want to discriminate unfairly and there are international laws that woukld prevent that anyway.
John 47 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 donna miller - 2013-03-21 10:01 PM I'm gonna get it in the neck for this but I've got broad shoulders, I'm kinda in agreement with John on his stance, not for any one point in particular , but in general. I'm friendly with and know on a personal basis dozens of 'outlaw' bikers, members of the Hells Angels as well as other full patch members of other bike clubs such as the Outlaws and several of their support clubs. Yes there are bad 'uns amongst them, but there are also dozens of ex/current forces guys who are bikers and are nothing but true gents and pillars of society. But they get tarred with the same brush because of the lifestyle they choose. Now I have said I agree with John's stance on not classing everybody the same and I do, but let's be honest here people, imagine you are parked up on a nice campsite with SWMBO and the 2 grandkids you've agreed to take away for the week when a party of 100 bikers in full gear turn up and set camp, what's your initial reaction? Let's see who's honest enough to answer that truthfully. Thanks for your measured comments - and for posing a very interesting situation. I suppose the only honest answer is that we would be concerned. We try to judge people as individuals but if a whole bunch of stereotypes turns up then you do begin to wonder, don't you? Similar things have happened to us in the past (interestingly once with a bunch of travelling Roma) and we have fought our initial concern and acted in a welcoming way. To date we have never had any problems (although the liver soup that a bunch of Norwegian bikers once forced on us was revolting!). I suspect that a lot of the antagonism that some people get is because of their own unwelcoming attitude. I always keep my wits about me but I find that if you treat anyone like a proper human being then they tend to respond. I could relate lots of examples but will limit myself to just one more. We were wildcamping in northern Scotland when a bunch of gypsies turned up and parked next to us. From memory there were about three caravans and just enough room for them on one side of our van. About half an hour later, two more turned up and parked on the other side of our van. I immediately got out, said hello and asked if they wanted me to move so they could be next to their mates. After that, I was their friend for life. Simple really - but it does involve a lot of holding your nerve.
Guest pelmetman Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-22 7:36 AM pelmetman - 2013-03-21 9:58 PM We now know your particular peccadillo is that we are all individuals.........well how do we deal with a mass immigration problem unless we give them a name/label??? :-S I don't know whether you are being deliberately obtuse or whether you simply don't read what people write but I have never once either said or implied that you can't "label" people. I have also said absolutely nothing that would limit the country's ability to control immigration (the government seem to be able to cock that one up without any outside help). Having said that, whether or not you label people has nothing whatsoever to do with controlling immigration - unless you want to discriminate unfairly and there are international laws that woukld prevent that anyway. So how would you stop the UK from being flooded with Romanian Roma? ;-)..........as to us thick blokes the only answer appears to be.................leave the EU :D
John 47 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-03-22 7:51 AM So how would you stop the UK from being flooded with Romanian Roma? ;-)..........as to us thick blokes the only answer appears to be.................leave the EU :D Well, for a start, any regulation that was directed towards one paqrticular group would be illegal (as well as immoral). Having said that, under EU rules there is free movement of individuals which in theory means that anyone in any member state can travel anywhere within the EU. In practice, however, there are restrictions. Those restrictions can take a multitude of forms. For example, us overwintering Brit retirees are supposed not to stay in Spain for more than 6 months without registering for tax. Other restrictions imposed by other member states include only allowing limited stays to anyone who has not got a job to go to. Of course, the critical thing is how effectively you enforce those restrictions - some countries don't bother too much, some don't have the wit to bother and others do it very successfully. I have a feeling that our bunch of wasters (the government, that is) would come in the middle of those categories.
Guest pelmetman Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 John 47 - 2013-03-22 8:00 AM pelmetman - 2013-03-22 7:51 AM So how would you stop the UK from being flooded with Romanian Roma? ;-)..........as to us thick blokes the only answer appears to be.................leave the EU :D Well, for a start, any regulation that was directed towards one paqrticular group would be illegal (as well as immoral). Having said that, under EU rules there is free movement of individuals which in theory means that anyone in any member state can travel anywhere within the EU. In practice, however, there are restrictions. Those restrictions can take a multitude of forms. For example, us overwintering Brit retirees are supposed not to stay in Spain for more than 6 months without registering for tax. Other restrictions imposed by other member states include only allowing limited stays to anyone who has not got a job to go to. Of course, the critical thing is how effectively you enforce those restrictions - some countries don't bother too much, some don't have the wit to bother and others do it very successfully. I have a feeling that our bunch of wasters (the government, that is) would come in the middle of those categories. So I'm right then ;-)...............the only way to stop them is to leave the EU and reinstate our borders :D
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