michele Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 surley you lot with this weatlh of knowledge know ....This cannot possibly have you lot stumped ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 ok I will have a go but don't know if right .... There is abank of 12v fuses on the main consumer unit usually in wardrobe or cupboard....did you find out if step works yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianxjs Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 affraid this model has no step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 Try either side of the door panel big block of relays I hope....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianxjs Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 sorry to sound dumb..........but which door panel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 I can only sumise that the wealth of Knowledge on here must all be laying in ...having had a good night out last night . Usually they are not this slow in coming forward .and are really helpful people ..someone out their will be along soon .....never known them to let anyone down yet . As I said keep your eye on things .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 so I take it you have looked for fuse relays in habitation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 if you sit in the drivers seat the fuse panel is by your right hand knee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianxjs Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 under panel in wardrobe is.........leisure battery........bank of 5 spade type fuses ( all ok ).........and 1 relay........when you take the relay out none of the habitaion 12v's work with m/h just sitting there ........no electric plugged in......you can still switch between cab battery & leisure battery I still have a couple of hairs left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianxjs Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 by the way.........our Royale 610 is one of the last pre 1996 models............mid 1996 I think they changed to Fiat.......not sure if that will help anyone decide what model we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianxjs Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 still having no luck tracing relays for the running of fridge while engine running..........would they be under bonnet near to battery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 could be sometimes there are certain relays in the engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 maybe you have an inline fuse between the relay & the fridge burried . perhaps the relayyou thinkis ok is not it may be faulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 look back to what john p say's I see I am not much help.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 [QUOTE]michele - 2006-07-30 11:27 AM if you sit in the drivers seat the fuse panel is by your right hand knee[/QUOTE] Michelle, please tell me you don't have a knee by your right hand? D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 [QUOTE]brianxjs - 2006-07-30 12:53 PM still having no luck tracing relays for the running of fridge while engine running..........would they be under bonnet near to battery?[/QUOTE] Hi Brian, Yes very often the split charge and fridge relays are under the bonnet, Swift often mount them under the black plastic cover in the middle of the engine bay, two 10mm nuts hold this in place usually. Sorry to say so but if you're not sure what you're looking for then it's probably time to consult a professional. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 If your Swift has the type of 12V wiring arrangement shown in The Motorcaravan Manual there will be a cable leading from the vehicle-battery to a fridge relay. The cable from the relay to the fridge will have a spur feeding an 'isolation relay' that shuts off the habitation 12V system when the vehicle's motor is started. Although there are fuses along the way, the significant fuse is between the vehicle battery and the fridge relay. If that fuse fails then the fridge won't work on 12V when the motor starts and the habitation system won't shut off. This is exactly what you describe. So you really need to be looking for a fairly high rated fuse (say 15A), possibly close to the vehicle battery. If the fridge relay is where Dave suggests then you may be able to locate the fuse by tracing the cable back to the battery. (Unfortunately there is no standardisation how motorhomes are wired.) With the system described above, failure of the fridge relay would also produce the symptoms you are experiencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest starspirit Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 According to 'er indoors I don't have any fuses so the question of where his fuses are never arises. I am just so placid and even tempered that I never even come close to blowing a fuse and if you believe that you are a real friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 An addendum to my last posting... The fridge relay is 'triggered' when the motorhome's alternator begins to charge (or when the vehicle's ignition is switched on). If there is a problem with that 12V feed to the relay then the relay (obviously) won't operate. So you've got at least 3 things that might be causing your problem: 1. A duff fuse between battery and fridge relay (probably the most likely candidate). 2. A defective fridge relay. 3. A fault in the triggering circuit (loose connection, broken/burnt wire?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianxjs Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 shall try to find fuses & relays after work today..............that is unless I have melted away with all the heat. thanks for all the help so far...............i might not loose all my hair after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 Yes i do I told you it's called Muli Tasking women have Ten pairs DAVID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 Told you they would be along ..............patience....ye with little hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianxjs Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 hip hip hooray............fridge working normal............rear 12v going off normal. after finding relays & fuses under bonnet.........all seemed ok.......and then i traced wires from relays.........small wire to alternator joined into Peugeot wire to alternator with scotch-lock..........moved wire......and everything started to work normal. removed scotch-lock and joined wires with proper connector.......no more problems I find it hard to believe that Swift would connect wires using scotch-locks.........was this normal practice in 1996? Anyway, thanks to you all for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnP Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Pleased that you have sorted out your problem. Three cheers for the FORUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 Horay.................................Bet you'l use this again it's like better than an encyclopedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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