nowtelse2do Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Symbol Owner - 2013-04-24 12:29 PM Are you really saying that the Tories are considering the Australian way of dealing with asylum-seekers/illegal immigrants Dave? They use an offshore Island, Nauru. Perhaps, when Scotland secedes from the U.K., we could use Orkney -- or Staffa -- that's uninhabited >:-) Colin. Don't know what the island is called but how about the one off the coast of Scotland that still has anthrax. ;-) Posted with tongue firmly in cheek just in case lesser mortals don't understand. *-) Dave The island is Gruinard, thank you google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-04-24 12:32 PM Symbol Owner - 2013-04-24 12:29 PM Give us a link Dave -- where did you get this rubbish from? Letwin ( on current form) would appear to be certifiable(!) [ I always did want to 'section' an M.P. when I was in social work -- you have to apply to the Speaker of the House of Commons -- but he is probably certifiable too!} Cheers, Colin. There you go Colin ;-) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-200224/Tories-hold-asylum-seekers-abroad.html Time to stop reading this hocus, Dave! :-) Gotcha!! Letwin is Minister of State for Government Policy in the Cabinet Office, not Shadow Home Secretary. If the Mail (and you :-)) can get that eminently checkable fact wrong, what can they (or you) be expected to get right! :-D Ooops! Apologies, Patricia had already spotted that. Note to self:- always read the whole post when catching up. There's always someone else who is awake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I heard they are going to use Anglesey, that'll stop em in their tracks. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Brian Kirby - 2013-04-24 4:13 PM Ooops! Apologies, Patricia had already spotted that. Note to self:- always read the whole post when catching up. There's always someone else who is awake! Thank you Brian :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-04-24 12:22 PM.........I confess it always puzzles me why people vote lemming like for the same party every election :-S.............Its why nothing really changes...............and why there is so little difference between the usual suspects *-)...................... Don't see why that is at all puzzling, Dave. People have their own views, usually developed over their lives. Many vote as their families vote. Many vote as their communities vote. They simply vote for what seems to them the best party according to their views on what is important to them, some for what they see as benefiting their country. Such views change relatively little, and change slowly, because where one lives changes little, and slowly. Look at the distribution of support for the main parties and it hasn't changed over decades. Generally, Labour (still) gets its support in the large towns and cities, usually from the less well off areas of these, while Conservatives (still) get their support from the shire counties and the more affluent parts of the large towns and cities. Your circumstances, and where you live, influence your outlook, and you tend to change these things relatively little over a lifetime. So voting patterns remain fairly static, and so does the appeal of the main parties to their electorates. Your own views, like it or not, are those shared by a very small minority. That minority has grown over the past few years, but that growth generally, IMO, reflects the depth and duration of this recession more than it reflects a genuine political outlook. That is to say, it comes from a group of people who don't like how things are, and know what it is about them that they don't like, but don't have any real vision for the future, or any ideas as to how to make things generally better. So, they protest. They may grow in number if things continue without improvement, they may even gain genuine political influence. That may or may not, be good. It will depend on whether that desire for protest can be turned into workable policies that would prove beneficial overall, or whether they simply result in the UK equivalent of the Italian Five Star Movement led by a comedian. At least one of our present parties seems to be led by a comedian, so I'm not overall hopeful! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Brian Kirby - 2013-04-24 4:40 PM Your own views, like it or not, are those shared by a very small minority. That minority has grown over the past few years, As you say Brian a growing minority ;-).....................So next stop a majority :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 pelmetman - 2013-04-24 6:05 PM Brian Kirby - 2013-04-24 4:40 PM Your own views, like it or not, are those shared by a very small minority. That minority has grown over the past few years, As you say Brian a growing minority ;-).....................So next stop a majority :D Bring on the clowns! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Brian Kirby - 2013-04-24 6:36 PM pelmetman - 2013-04-24 6:05 PM Brian Kirby - 2013-04-24 4:40 PM Your own views, like it or not, are those shared by a very small minority. That minority has grown over the past few years, As you say Brian a growing minority ;-).....................So next stop a majority :D Bring on the clowns! :-D What 8-).....................You don't think the liberals could actually win? :D..............although that said, I reckon the next election will be the most interesting for years ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 If nothing else shows the idiocy of people and their politics it is a friend of mine, that though he hates to admit it being in property as he has been for some years, a Labour government presided over one of the largest property price booms of recent years, turning him into a millionaire in the process. He would only ever vote Tory end of, and yet he owes his personal prosperity to a Labour government, counter that now that his remaining property interests have at best stagnated, and at worse he cannot give them away and yet he will no doubt vote Tory again, odd really :-S How many on here saw their properties go up almost 10 fold in ten years under Labour, don't get me wrong I'm an agnostic :D but it makes you think does it not.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 As you say Mike the so called Nouveau riche are just as much a victim of circumstance, as the families who have spent years on benefits ;-).................as they say "right place right time"..............and "wrong place wrong time" *-)....... Me :D..............I'm well balanced having had a bit of both (lol).................now I've moved onto just enjoying myself B-).................before my clock stops 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesgrandad Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 It will help you to get it all in perspective if you read "Animal Farm" and follow that up by watching a few old editions of ""Yes Minister". AGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leake Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Patricia - 2013-04-24 11:16 AM Sorry Dave but Oliver Letwin is a Tory, not Shadow Home Secretary. He is Minister of State at the Cabinet Office. I always thought he was a designer. Am I getting mixed up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 The fact being 1foot he made money under labour but he keeps it under the Tories. John (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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