Another week... another lot locked up...

[Guest pelmetman]

It seems to me that barely a week goes by without another lot of Islamic nutters getting locked up 8-)

 

Six admit planning to bomb English Defence League rally

 

Eleven men jailed for terror plot

Six men from the West Midlands have pleaded guilty to planning to bomb an English Defence League rally.

 

Omar Mohammed Khan, Mohammed Hasseen, Anzal Hussain, Mohammed Saud, Zohaib Ahmed and Jewel Uddin admitted preparing an act of terrorism. All six will be sentenced on 6 June.

 

Five of them took a homemade bomb to an EDL rally in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, last June but arrived after it ended.

 

They were caught after their car was stopped and found to have no insurance.

 

Police and security services had no intelligence about the planned attack, although one of the would-be killers, Jewel Uddin, was under surveillance in relation to another terror plan.

 

After the hearing at Woolwich Crown Court, Assistant Chief Constable of West Midlands Police Marcus Beale said: "Their capability was clear.

 

Analysis

Dominic Casciani

Home affairs correspondent

Jewel Uddin was under surveillance because of his links to other identified extremists. But he wasn't being watched around the clock because 24-hour coverage only occurs when a suspect is thought to be planning an attack and is in the closing stages of their preparations.

 

The British police and MI5 don't have the manpower that the East German Stasi once had, so counter-terrorism investigators deal everyday with competing requests for resources for covert operations. Uddin was, in the jargon, a person of interest whom investigators wanted to better understand.

 

But given what they knew of his connections, did they make the right call? The case has inevitable echoes of 2004 when MI5 had come across a man from West Yorkshire on the periphery of another investigation. They never got to the bottom of who he was until he led the 2005 suicide attacks on London.

 

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"They created devices that would have certainly maimed and possibly killed people depending on how close they were.

 

"Their intent was very, very clear. In my view they were very dangerous."

 

Tommy Robinson, aka Stephen Lennon, leader of the EDL, said he welcomed the convictions.

 

'Female devil'

On 30 June 2012, the EDL, an anti-Islamic group that says it supports peaceful protest, held a rally in Dewsbury, despite attempts by the Muslim community in the town to have it stopped.

 

Police estimated there could have been as many as 750 EDL supporters in attendance, as well as dozens of police officers and passers-by.

 

As the rally was taking place, the five men travelled there in two cars, one of which was carrying a homemade bomb constructed out of a modified firework and containing 359 nails and 93 ball bearings.

 

They also had two sawn-off shot guns, parts of other explosive devices, knives and a long printed message, dated the same day, describing their motivation and calling the Queen a "female devil".

 

It said: "To the EDL (English Drunkards League). O enemies of Allah! We have heard and seen you openly insulting the final Messenger of Allah... you should know that for every action there is a reaction.

 

 

The BBC's June Kelly reports on the background to the case

"Today is a day of retaliation (especially) for your blasphemy of Allah and his Messenger Muhammad. We love death more than you love life. The penalty for blasphemy of Allah and his Messenger Muhammad is death."

 

However, the men arrived after the EDL rally had broken up because the right-wing group had insufficient speakers to carry on later into the afternoon.

 

The would-be attackers left the town but were stopped by a traffic police officer on the M1 motorway for having no car insurance.

 

Days later, when the impounded vehicle was searched, the weapons were found - sparking a manhunt across Birmingham.

 

Under surveillance

Following their arrests, it emerged that Uddin was already known to the police and MI5.

 

 

Five of the men were caught on CCTV in Dewsbury shortly after the rally had disbanded

He was an associate of another group of Islamist terrorists, also based in Birmingham, who were jailed last week for planning an attack to rival the 7 July and 9/11 atrocities.

 

Uddin was under partial counter-terrorism surveillance, and five days before the aborted EDL attack, a West Midlands surveillance officer watched him and another man go to a homewares shop near his home in the Sparkhill area of Birmingham.

 

Police later established that the man accompanying Uddin was fellow plotter Omar Khan - and that the pair had bought some of the knives eventually found in the car boot.

 

A second member of the group, Ahmed, had been separately charged with possession of jihadist magazines that included bomb-making instructions. He was on bail at the time of the failed bombing.

 

Responding to suggestions police could have arrested Uddin earlier, ACC Beale said: "We didn't fail to join the dots.

 

"We were doing what was right and proportionate at the time."

 

Five of the men were from Birmingham - Uddin, 27, and Khan, 28, both from Sparkhill, Ahmed, 22 from Saltley, Hasseen, 23 from Tyseley, and Hussain, 24, from Moseley - and one, Saud, 22, was from Smethwick.

 

 

Assistant Chief Constable Marcus Beale says counter-terrorism capabilities have been increased

All changed their pleas from not guilty on Tuesday via videolink, admitting preparing an act of terrorism between 1 May and 4 July 2012.

 

Mr Robinson told the BBC he believed the plot was targeted at him personally.

 

The EDL leader said he had intended to travel to Dewsbury to be part of the rally but had been unable to go at the last minute for family reasons.

 

A statement from the Birmingham Coalition of Muslim Organisations and Mosques, which says it represents most of the city's 230,000 Muslims, said: "The Muslim community in Birmingham wishes to make one thing absolutely clear: These acts are not carried out in our name."

[Symbol Owner]

The terrorist has only got to 'get lucky' once, Dave -- it used to be the IRA, now it is disaffected young muslim jihadists or their converts. Thank goodness that MI5 & the regular police took action, but it could so easily have been another 7/7, or similar.

 

C.

[Guest pelmetman]

Symbol Owner - 2013-04-30 5:35 PM

 

The terrorist has only got to 'get lucky' once, Dave -- it used to be the IRA, now it is disaffected young muslim jihadists or their converts. Thank goodness that MI5 & the regular police took action, but it could so easily have been another 7/7, or similar.

 

C.

 

I agree Colin, they were only caught because their car was not insured *-)............Its only a matter of time before they get lucky, as there seems to be a thriving industry of nutter making in Birmingham 8-)

[antony1969]

pelmetman - 2013-04-30 5:39 PM

 

Symbol Owner - 2013-04-30 5:35 PM

 

The terrorist has only got to 'get lucky' once, Dave -- it used to be the IRA, now it is disaffected young muslim jihadists or their converts. Thank goodness that MI5 & the regular police took action, but it could so easily have been another 7/7, or similar.

 

C.

 

I agree Colin, they were only caught because their car was not insured *-)............Its only a matter of time before they get lucky, as there seems to be a thriving industry of nutter making in Birmingham 8-)

 

Not just Birmingham but Leeds and Huddersfield , London , Manchester etc etc . It would seem in the eyes of these nice Muslim lads the price you pay to blaspheme the great Prophet Mohammed is to be shot , knifed , chopped by a machete or even blown up . Welcome to the free world eh .

[CliveH]

Mind you - the ones that wanted to blow up the EDL meeting were a bit short on the smarts dept!

 

The bozos arrived after the event was over and on the way back were picked up by the police because they had no insurance.! (lol)

 

Good to see police work getting results.

 

Let's have more of our laws being applied across the board - as I have said before - I am personally all for multicultural Britain. I like it - I like being able to get Polish beer, spices from an Indian deli, a Thai meal or good old fish and chips all from the same street.

 

But for far too long the PC brigade held sway with the idea that even tackling crime within other races was racism.

 

I think the fact that these idiot bozos were picked up by good old fashioned policing taking uninsured drivers off our roads regardless of race or religion should be celebrated.

 

 

 

 

[antony1969]

CliveH - 2013-04-30 7:50 PM

 

Mind you - the ones that wanted to blow up the EDL meeting were a bit short on the smarts dept!

 

The bozos arrived after the event was over and on the way back were picked up by the police because they had no insurance.! (lol)

 

Good to see police work getting results.

 

Let's have more of our laws being applied across the board - as I have said before - I am personally all for multicultural Britain. I like it - I like being able to get Polish beer, spices from an Indian deli, a Thai meal or good old fish and chips all from the same street.

 

But for far too long the PC brigade held sway with the idea that even tackling crime within other races was racism.

 

I think the fact that these idiot bozos were picked up by good old fashioned policing taking uninsured drivers off our roads regardless of race or religion should be celebrated.

 

 

 

 

Didn't these followers of the " religion of peace " claim Police harassment for been pulled over by the fuzz ? Should have the old " Iz it cos I iz black " routine normally works .

[Guest 1footinthegrave]

I was friends with these lads, all devout followers of Islam, all from my old neck of the woods, I think there has been a mistake, lovely blokes. >:-) and the other eleven sentenced last week ;-)

[antony1969]

1footinthegrave - 2013-04-30 8:14 PM

 

I was friends with these lads, all devout followers of Islam, all from my old neck of the woods, I think there has been a mistake, lovely blokes. >:-) and the other eleven sentenced last week ;-)

 

Then it's a stitch up by the nasty Fuzz , they must have planted all the weapons seized from local junior school and planted it in the boot of said innocents , maybe Max Clifford can represent them , or maybe he's a bit busy .

[Symbol Owner]

antony1969 - 2013-04-30 7:22 PM

Symbol Owner - 2013-04-30 5:35 PM

 

The terrorist has only got to 'get lucky' once, Dave -- it used to be the IRA, now it is disaffected young muslim jihadists or their converts. Thank goodness that MI5 & the regular police took action, but it could so easily have been another 7/7, or similar.

 

C.

 

I agree Colin, they were only caught because their car was not insured *-)............Its only a matter of time before they get lucky, as there seems to be a thriving industry of nutter making in Birmingham 8-)

 

Not just Birmingham but Leeds and Huddersfield , London , Manchester etc etc . It would seem in the eyes of these nice Muslim lads the price you pay to blaspheme the great Prophet Mohammed is to be shot , knifed , chopped by a machete or even blown up . Welcome to the free world eh .

 

Sadly Antony -- who's a prohet now?

"It would seem in the eyes of these nice Muslim lads the price you pay to blaspheme the great Prophet Mohammed is to be shot , knifed , chopped by a machete..............."

 

Your post was on the 30th. April. The London atrocity was on Wed. 22nd.May! Have you got a crystal ball or summat?

By the way, what happened to your post on Muslim paedos?

 

Colin.

[antony1969]

Symbol Owner - 2013-05-25 4:14 PM

 

antony1969 - 2013-04-30 7:22 PM

Symbol Owner - 2013-04-30 5:35 PM

 

The terrorist has only got to 'get lucky' once, Dave -- it used to be the IRA, now it is disaffected young muslim jihadists or their converts. Thank goodness that MI5 & the regular police took action, but it could so easily have been another 7/7, or similar.

 

C.

 

I agree Colin, they were only caught because their car was not insured *-)............Its only a matter of time before they get lucky, as there seems to be a thriving industry of nutter making in Birmingham 8-)

 

Not just Birmingham but Leeds and Huddersfield , London , Manchester etc etc . It would seem in the eyes of these nice Muslim lads the price you pay to blaspheme the great Prophet Mohammed is to be shot , knifed , chopped by a machete or even blown up . Welcome to the free world eh .

 

Sadly Antony -- who's a prohet now?

"It would seem in the eyes of these nice Muslim lads the price you pay to blaspheme the great Prophet Mohammed is to be shot , knifed , chopped by a machete..............."

 

Your post was on the 30th. April. The London atrocity was on Wed. 22nd.May! Have you got a crystal ball or summat?

By the way, what happened to your post on Muslim paedos?

 

Colin.

 

Yes unfortunately it is quite a spooky coincidence which I am sure everybody on here would agree for once we would rather not have had .

The post in question was pulled twice by the fuzz as it was deemed racist ?????

 

[Symbol Owner]

antony1969 - 2013-05-25 7:30 PM

.The post in question was pulled twice by the fuzz as it was deemed racist ?????

 

Really? That's a pity Antony, it really is a shame to stifle discussion like that.

I would have liked the chance to continue with it -- but I have taken up some of the points that I wished to make on another thread.

 

Cheers,

 

Colin.

[Guest pelmetman]

Symbol Owner - 2013-05-25 7:42 PM

 

antony1969 - 2013-05-25 7:30 PM

.The post in question was pulled twice by the fuzz as it was deemed racist ?????

 

Really? That's a pity Antony, it really is a shame to stifle discussion like that.

I would have liked the chance to continue with it -- but I have taken up some of the points that I wished to make on another thread.

 

Cheers,

 

Colin.

 

The thought police are everywhere 8-)

[antony1969]

Symbol Owner - 2013-05-25 7:42 PM

 

antony1969 - 2013-05-25 7:30 PM

.The post in question was pulled twice by the fuzz as it was deemed racist ?????

 

Really? That's a pity Antony, it really is a shame to stifle discussion like that.

I would have liked the chance to continue with it -- but I have taken up some of the points that I wished to make on another thread.

 

Cheers,

 

Colin.

 

What points were they Colin ?

[Symbol Owner]

Antony......

 

have a look at Dave (Pelmetman's) thread about the sport that he thinks that he is able to watch................etc. Tracker seems to have 'gone off on one' and doesn't seem to follow my ( rather dense) argument, but the bit that I mean is on my next post on that thread, where I go into the cultural reasons for the paedophile behaviour of young Asian men.

 

Colin.

[antony1969]

Symbol Owner - 2013-05-25 9:34 PM

 

Antony......

 

have a look at Dave (Pelmetman's) thread about the sport that he thinks that he is able to watch................etc. Tracker seems to have 'gone off on one' and doesn't seem to follow my ( rather dense) argument, but the bit that I mean is on my next post on that thread, where I go into the cultural reasons for the paedophile behaviour of young Asian men.

 

Colin.

 

Colin , maybe it's better I don't reply with my thoughts as twice recently I have been threatened with removal , thanks Antony .