Guest 1footinthegrave Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Curtisden - 2013-05-13 2:38 PM Dave Newell - 2013-05-13 9:36 AM ""Reasonable for a Major cross channel port not to provide anywhere to park, paid or unpaid sounds just the opposite. :-S Odd that they can manage it 26 miles away. For someone who has their own motorhome, and a business with them seems a rather odd response "Dave. Not if you live on Marine parade and are fed up with you sea view for which you have paid a fortune being blocked each evening by chancer's that can not arrange or wish to pay for a local caravan site? Why should Dover provide parking. Allow one and you get the lot. What is it about MH people who believe they have the god given right to park where ever they please! Oh and yes i have relatives in Dover who would rather there council tax was spent on them rather than transient passerby. MY BE your venom should be directed at P&O? Peter What a wonderful reply, I don't expect a God given right to park anywhere, but I would assume if you come to our neck of the woods Aberdyfi a premier holiday resort in your van, you might expect somewhere to be able to park something bigger than your car, our local community council and council thank god is a bit more forward thinking, as is Powys council, and yes it comes out of my council tax to provide you with a facility ;-) Personally pal given the dump that Dover is if I could avoid it altogether I would. You may want to acknowledge that I did the right thing this morning in phoning Dover district council to ask where I COULD park, so I am not a chancer, merely trying to stay within the law, and not annoy anyone by parking where I should not. But you know what given some of the replies on here, no wonder these councils s**t all over us, and I honestly wonder why some of you have a van at all, sadomasochism comes to mind. .Happy travels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert123 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-05-13 11:16 AM rupert123 - 2013-05-13 10:31 AM I am going to agree with Dave. What is the problem, get to the port at a reasonable time and park in the port, catch your ferry and park up the following night. If this is not convenient and you wish to arrive at Dover the night before plenty of places to stay the night, of course this means you will have to pay but if, as I keep being told, it is not about money then again, what is the problem? You really have a one track mind, we have previously stayed at the CC site, and the New Dover road stopover, which of course we had to pay for,but for our own personal reasons ( do you really need me to explain them to you ) on this occasion we wanted to book an early ferry, that would have course prevented us from using a site that evening as you cannot get out in the early hours. So just get of the case please and give up with the sarcasm. ;-) No sarcasm, dead serious, what is your problem. You did the right thing and asked, they said no as they just follow the rules. It takes me about seven hours in the van to reach Dover, I set off in the morning, easy journey, cross in the evening and stop over in France. You book a 5.30am ferry then winge because Dover council does not provide a free stop over. As Patricia has pointed out the CC have a system for just this, I never bothered pointing this out to you for obvious reasons. Why do people make problems for themselves when its easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 With no respect,just piss off. No wonder you're such a miserable git that you've had to hide away in the arse end of nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I'm somewhat perplexed as to why 1foot has to resort to personally rude comments towards anyone who doesn't agree with his viewpoint. I value his custom but not his abrasivenenss on here. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Forget parking at Dover, use the Canterbury park and ride Aire, £3 24 hrs. [ just gone up to this I believe ] water point and toilet dump. ride the bus free into Canterbury as many times as you want.NO ENTRY Sunday but exit if already in, 25 mins easy drive to Dover exit at any hour, Reeeelaaaax hang loose, we are Motorhomers remember ?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Okay everyone, lets have the 'necks wound in' please and those that are on medication should take it now and calm down. :-D As laimeduck has pointed out you CAN park LEGITIMATELY on the Esplanade which runs off Marine Parade but NOT Marine Parade itself. Why people WANT to park on the Esplanade is THEIR business and saying they should go over on an evening/another time doesn't help - not everyone is able to get there to be able to do this for whatever reason - so please stop passing comments on this as all it is doing is antagonising others. I do understand about the locals not liking motorhome owners, caravanners etc who flout the rules and park on Marine Parade itself - that simply is not fair on the owners of those properties and should NOT be done. So, respect the rules and hopefully there'll be the ability to park legitimately on the Esplanade for years to come. :-> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Dave Newell - 2013-05-13 6:32 PM I'm somewhat perplexed as to why 1foot has to resort to personally rude comments towards anyone who doesn't agree with his viewpoint. I value his custom but not his abrasivenenss on here. D. Perhaps Dave you should direct that question to Rupert123, or the bloke who thinks I'm going to interrupt his relatives views, so instead of resorting to ridicule and assumptions that we are all freeloading wild campers they would get no abrasiveness from me, I posed the problem, and some see it ( including you ) with your first completely unhelpful comment as open season to have a go at me, which quite frankly as I have been a customer of yours, and recommended you to others, I found astonishing. As for the wider Dover question as many seem to see even the lack of provision to even park as a day visitor not a problem I really do not know what to say. ;-) perhaps no one wants to visit Dover for the day, or a growing number of parts of the UK. If ultimately as many areas now do, only provide car bay sized parking, and as Dover said prohibit even paying for an extra bay, and more and more height barriers, my guess is it will ultimately impact on both yours and many other M/home businesses, I know I'm getting fed up with UK plc with just a PVC finding it more and more difficult to pursue my hobby,and finding ever harder to park in more and more places, that's all. And I'm sorry I simply cannot understand why a major seaport cannot provide such a provision for a fee, or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Having re-read this entire thread all I can see is you (and a couple of others) are not happy about not being able to park overnight on street in Dover so as to catch an early ferry, with or without paying for this privilege. you say Henry is sarcastic and rude but I fail to see that in his posts here. Several suggestions have been made for alternatives to parking on street in Dover, pub car park, CC site nearby, CCC site nearby, wild camping somewhere nearby to name but a few but you still keep banging on about why Dover port won't provide some overnight facility. Why should they? What is in it for them? Its not as if you're going to bring lots of custom to Dover, you've already explained you only want to turn up, stay a few hours then board yourr ferry at 05.30. Yes you have said you're willing to pay up to £15 for this priviliege but why not spend that £15 in a pub/restaurant or on a campsite? And no, before you ask I don't know what a campsite charges near Dover and have little interest as its not something I plan to use any time soon. Personally given the choice of paying £15 to park on street or £20 -£25 for a campsite I'd take the latter. Day visit to Dover? Whatever for? To me Dover is like Hoyhead, only two good things in it, one's a ferry terminal and the other is a good road and both lead away from the place! D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Who is effected by parking on Marine Parade? all I see is grotty shops facing it. Dover are loosing out on parking fees. I don't think it would be unreasonable to park & pay between 7pm & 6am. Whenever I have passed there between those times Marine Parade is always empty. Black Horse CC have barriers, if you are arriving late let them know asap, if leaving early just drive up to the barrier and it opens. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 nowtelse2do - 2013-05-13 7:48 PM Who is effected by parking on Marine Parade? all I see is grotty shops facing it. Dover are loosing out on parking fees. I don't think it would be unreasonable to park & pay between 7pm & 6am. Whenever I have passed there between those times Marine Parade is always empty. Black Horse CC have barriers, if you are arriving late let them know asap, if leaving early just drive up to the barrier and it opens. Dave Many thanks Dave, I was not aware of this facility, hence my frustration, just assumed the policy of no vehicle movement was universal on club sites, and in any event would not have considered disturbing others. I have now booked online, so now sorted, many thanks to you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Black Horse is a bit different because it caters for early ferry departures. You park up near the exit so there is no disturbance to those that are staying longer. Lovely shower block and toilets plus waste disposal (black & Grey water) plus water tank replenishment. Have a nice trip Mike. (Don't forget your calming tablets) :D :D Also, across the road from the entrance to the site is a paper shop with a very small mini market for anything you have forgot, milk, bacon etc. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 nowtelse2do - 2013-05-13 7:48 PM Who is effected by parking on Marine Parade? all I see is grotty shops facing it. Dover are loosing out on parking fees. I don't think it would be unreasonable to park & pay between 7pm & 6am. Whenever I have passed there between those times Marine Parade is always empty. I don't know where you've been looking but Marine Parade/Esplanade doesn't have shops on it, it has some night clubs (casino?) and a few kiosks, but no shops as such that I can remember. As for it being empty ... I've NEVER seen it empty!!! 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Mel B - 2013-05-13 8:50 PM I don't know where you've been looking but Marine Parade/Esplanade doesn't have shops on it, it has some night clubs (casino?) and a few kiosks, but no shops as such that I can remember. As for it being empty ... I've NEVER seen it empty!!! 8-) The shop's are across the dual carriageway so depends which way you face, so if it has some night clubs and kiosks, who is it affecting by parking there? We spent a week at Easter down there and Marine Parade was near as damn empty just after teatime, and every time I have past during the night (both ways) it's been virtually empty. Never parked there or on the Esplanade. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 As I mentioned in my post on page 1 re Black Horse site, I do recall now that the last time I stayed there that they had now moved the barrier so that the ferry pitches are inside it. I remember panicking when I arrived late after they were closed and wondering how to get in but the code was in my envelope. A word of warning though - if you arrive late you are only supposed to do that if you are returning to the UK, not leaving - apparently the locals object to the noise. Also my sat-nav plays up round there so it is best to put the co-ordinates in. There is also a pub opposite which apparently now provides acceptable meals. I have never been there as the reputation was not good but perhaps it has changed owners now. There is another one on the new estate too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Mel B - 2013-05-13 8:50 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-05-13 7:48 PM Who is effected by parking on Marine Parade? all I see is grotty shops facing it. Dover are loosing out on parking fees. I don't think it would be unreasonable to park & pay between 7pm & 6am. Whenever I have passed there between those times Marine Parade is always empty. I don't know where you've been looking but Marine Parade/Esplanade doesn't have shops on it, it has some night clubs (casino?) and a few kiosks, but no shops as such that I can remember. As for it being empty ... I've NEVER seen it empty!!! 8-) I think the Jewel in the crown of the Esplanade are the boarded up and abandoned toilets, and the other choice part of Dover the car park where the druggies and drunks come to the soup kitchen every night. Overseas visitors first sight of the UK, no wonder so few foreign vans make the trip to the UK, especially when they can't park anywhere. :-( Oh well I'll be like the majority, bury my head in the sand, far better than banging it on a brick wall. Enjoy the Aires links I sent you Melb. no problem parking in France, or Calais port, or the Motorhome park on the beach front as I'm sure you know ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laimeduck Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I really don't think most of you have been there! Marine Parade, Waterloo Cresent & the Esplanade are several hundred yards from the "Dual Carriageway" which is the landward side of the Marina. There are absolutely no shops on those three roads, which are good hotels, well respected Yacht clubs & residential houses. Either get it right or shut up! A very annoyed L'AimeDuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Funny' I've only just noticed the campaign backed by MMM to improve provision of parking and the removal of height barriers in the UK, seems I was not a voice in the wilderness after all. But I wonder if reading many contributors to this thread they feel they are wasting their time. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 While i have some sympathy with elements of your view...Please give it a break! this thread reminiscent of some of your other recent offerings and much ado about nufink.......you really are a grumble Have you ever been to docks in high season with traffic jams for miles back along the M20. It's a very busy port and completely unrealistic to expect a stopover. Although we only live in south London, like H always get an evening crossing. They are just as unpopular as an early one and priced accordingly and perfect for motorhomers. Also in UK planning law no one has a right to a view..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 JudgeMental - 2013-05-14 9:43 AM While i have some sympathy with elements of your view...Please give it a break! this thread reminiscent of some of your other recent offerings and much ado about nufink.......you really are a grumble Have you ever been to docks in high season with traffic jams for miles back along the M20. It's a very busy port and completely unrealistic to expect a stopover. Although we only live in south London, like H always get an evening crossing. They are just as unpopular as an early one and priced accordingly and perfect for motorhomers. Also in UK planning law no one has a right to a view..... You'll be less than impressed with my new thread then. Eddie I obviously see things different to you, if we all just rollover without protest we may as well all give up. We do have a bit of a problem with our journey as it takes in all of the most busy motorways in the UK, particularly the M5/M6 you seem never to be able to get it right, hence the choice to leave late from the Midlands after our journey from the coast in Wales all in about 360 miles, hoping by the time we eventually reach the M25 that has stopped being a car park, and reach Dover around midnight for the ferry. Oh well that was the plan :-S You have the "luxury" of a quick dash from your neck of the woods, with respect we don't. ;-) unless we come and stop on your drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtisden Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 If you have a day or two this is the dover parking strategy document. Page after page of data and not a mention of Motorhome parking, or the need for same. Seems that if for some reason you want to park in Dover overnight its going to be expensive and unpleasant. Both now and in the future. Its a dump, has always been and won't be changing soon. The place is surrounded with possible wild camping locations in lay-bys and out of the way spots that are free. But why not just turn up on time for your ferry? Re the view yes no one is entitled to one. But they are entitled to the local by laws being enforced re charges, length and period. And it looks like Dover DC don't see it as either a need or a plan for the future. Peter https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4674028/1%20Dover.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4674028/Dover%202.jpg http://www.dover.gov.uk/Transport,-Streets--Parking/Parking/Documents--Policies/Dover-Parking-Strategy.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-05-14 9:56 AM Eddie I obviously see things different to you, if we all just rollover without protest we may as well all give up. ..Constantly going over and over the same old ground, on some tiddly MH forum is NOT protest..it's whinging ;-) If you've a 8-10 hr drive,surely you'd be sorting a decent pitch/stopover somewhere(...just why you'd want to be overnighting on a road that you yourself seem to be painting as a sh*t hole,beats me?). Failing that,just time your journey accordingly(..or are we to believe that Dover is awash with MHs driving 'round and around,killing time, waiting for their ferries..?(lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtisden Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 pepe63 - 2013-05-14 10:23 AM Failing that,just time your journey accordingly(..or are we to believe that Dover is awash with MHs driving 'round and around,killing time, waiting for their ferries..?(lol) Sadly it is. Thats because there is so little large size bay parking. Thats why at the drop of a hat Kent police put in Operation Stack and shut the M20 causing everyone in the S of Kent extra long journey times. Oh yes the place is crawling with all sorts who want to break in to your car. My relative is a Customs officer in the port on the car hall. Even the Customs Hall Car Park is far from a safe place and thats within the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwendolyn Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 pepe63 - 2013-05-14 10:23 AM 1footinthegrave - 2013-05-14 9:56 AM Eddie I obviously see things different to you, if we all just rollover without protest we may as well all give up. ..Constantly going over and over the same old ground, on some tiddly MH forum is NOT protest..it's whinging ;-) If you've a 8-10 hr drive,surely you'd be sorting a decent pitch/stopover somewhere(...just why you'd want to be overnighting on a road that you yourself seem to be painting as a sh*t hole,beats me?). Failing that,just time your journey accordingly(..or are we to believe that Dover is awash with MHs driving 'round and around,killing time, waiting for their ferries..?(lol) Totally agree. As I think has been pointed out many times before? And, knowing how [allegedly] motorhome parking is so “unfriendly” in the UK why does anyone plan a long drive to Dover without a stopover, and then hope, against all the odds, and against all experience, to be able to park up until a 5.30 ferry. It wouldn’t just be to give an excuse for another whinge would it? Surely not???? We too have a long drive from West Wales to Dover and we plan accordingly. In fact, we have 2 stopovers en route, staying at Black Horse Farm the night before we cross, and take a ferry or go through the Tunnel at around 7 – 8 ish in the morning. Why place undue stress upon yourself? Just work with what we have, and what we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I simply give up. Perhaps as in my other thread MMM should also.this was simply about trying to clarify the legality getting our heads down for maybe three or four hours, after a long journey that we did not wish to spend a few days just getting to Dover, but do it in one go after the worst of the traffic from the Midlands. Let that be the end of it please, content yourselves that I'm a whinging idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 laimeduck - 2013-05-13 11:14 PM I really don't think most of you have been there! Marine Parade, Waterloo Cresent & the Esplanade are several hundred yards from the "Dual Carriageway" which is the landward side of the Marina. There are absolutely no shops on those three roads, which are good hotels, well respected Yacht clubs & residential houses. Either get it right or shut up! A very annoyed L'AimeDuck I'll shut up. I mixed the place up with the Marine Car Park just of the Roundabout at Union Rd. My apologies :$ Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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