Pollik Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 rupert123 - 2013-06-04 11:12 PMI would point out that campsites are usually a local business and not owned by the council, even municiples are gradually being privatised. Someone who stay,s on the local campsite spends more with a local business than you ever will buying the odd loaf of bread. True, but there I am also paying for things that I neither want nor need. You want to park here overnight, then you also have to pay for the swimming pool, children's play area, laundrette, EHU, shop..... As a friend said to me, the other day: "Is cremating bacon near a campsite and watching all the fully-equipped motorhomes trundling part to the £35/night site. Why?? They have a cooker fridge shower pink loo etc so why are they paying to use a site when they already have all they need. It makes no sense to me..." It is like being forced to pay for a ready meal for 4 when you only want a pork chop. If campsites want the wilder to use them, then they need to provide what the wilder wants...somewhere to park without checking in, water, waste and refuse, at a commensurately reduced fee. Generally, I won't pay more than £5 when I use a CL or aires or Stelleplatzen. Really, my comment was aimed at councils trying to make money out of camper stops...I see it as part of their job description to provide the infrastructure for local businesses. Every pound extracted from people parking is a pound denied from our vanishing high streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollik Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 The apathy thing is normal, that is why any new campaign needs to get lucky with the right core team. I have spent the last 15 years campaigning on other issues close to my heart and I admit to having just about run out of energy...I am starting to close off some of my areas of interest, now. I also have a condition that, on any given day, I may not have the energy to get stuck into anything. I also struggle with council mindset (I have had too many battles with them,, even worked for one for two years) and the blindly rule following jobsworth. And after twenty years leaving my position as assistant bank manager, I don't have the patience for legal documentation, any more. I do have skills though...running a discussion board is something I have done many times, internet research is also something I think I am good at, and looking for solutions rather than problems. The camper stops campaign, or something like it, is something I have been pursuing for some time, but I know I couldn't lead it, so have been waiting for the right people to come along. ;-) I am curious about the emails though...why are not people posting here, instead, where a transparent discussion can be held? (Not really expecting an answer to this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 Hi PollikI am curious about the emails though...why are not people posting here, instead, where a transparent discussion can be held? (Not really expecting an answer to this).The emails are more like suggestions and ideas for future features coming from www.camperstops.org rather than this thread, which is cool as people are taking a serious interest direct from the website!Already working hard at the website today to bring editable documents for registered users to share, edit, print and distribute all sorts of letters/forms for the cause.I have already set up a discussions forum for members to pass on ideas and discuss them, so hopefully by tomorrow it should be all completed and ready to get out there to the big wide worldOk back to workKeith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Pollik - 2013-06-08 12:05 PM I am curious about the emails though...why are not people posting here, instead, where a transparent discussion can be held? (Not really expecting an answer to this). Because a few people on here, like the clubs, have their own agendas and are far more interested in their own egos than ever they are about helping anyone else! Or maybe they are just shy - let's give 'em the benefit of the doubt shall we! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 Bump...Please read the above post Traker -:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollik Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Do you want us to start using the new forum now, then? And is outandaboutlive OK with the crosslinking? (Last thing we want is to upset them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 Pollik - 2013-06-08 12:28 PMDo you want us to start using the new forum now, then?And is outandaboutlive OK with the crosslinking? (Last thing we want is to upset them)I will post here when everything is ready to go, hopefully today/tomorrrowAs for the crosslinking, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollik Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 sambukashot - 2013-06-08 1:33 PM As for the crosslinking, why not? I can think a few forums where links would be deleted, and repeated offences have resulted in a ban. I am just being cautious, that's all. B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 I can think a few forums where links would be deleted, and repeated offences have resulted in a ban.I am just being cautious, that's all. B-)Yes see your point but i don't subscribe to these other forums, so i do not really care! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwendolyn Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Tracker - 2013-06-08 12:19 PM Pollik - 2013-06-08 12:05 PM I am curious about the emails though...why are not people posting here, instead, where a transparent discussion can be held? (Not really expecting an answer to this). Because a few people on here, like the clubs, have their own agendas and are far more interested in their own egos than ever they are about helping anyone else! Or maybe they are just shy - let's give 'em the benefit of the doubt shall we! No! No personal agenda at all from me, who has been engaged in pms with Keith. Quite happy to engage in discussion here and I have already posted some suggestions way up-thread, as a result of which, Keith pm’d me asking for info. I have promised that I will send him some templates that might be “useful”…. when I get home from current trip – early July. I am in Spain atm and do not have, to hand, those “useful” [maybe] documents. So, no ego trip…. I will not put on the Forum info I cannot recall, in total, from memory. That would not be “transparent” but perhaps mis-remembered and, as a result, incorrect. Cheers Gwen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 Hi Gwen,One of the updates i am working on today is thanks to your suggestion!You will be able to upload and download relevent documents from anywhere, including the ability to edit them without any software, in fact you can have a try of the set up now...Goto: http://www.camperstops.org/index.php/i-can-help-with-ideas-for-a-camper-stop/users-documentsAs long as your logged in you can have a play around, you cannot do any harm, do some edits and save, you can also upload a test document if you like! Let me know what you thinkKeith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Cromwell Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 sambukashot - 2013-06-08 1:09 PMI can think a few forums where links would be deleted, and repeated offences have resulted in a ban.I am just being cautious, that's all. B-)Yes see your point but i don't subscribe to these other forums, so i do not really care!Just an opinion but that seems an odd attitude to take when you intend to make contact with all relevant forums/websites to presumably gain their support? *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 Just an opinion but that seems an odd attitude to take when you intend to make contact with all relevant forums/websites to presumably gain their support?Yes my post came across that way but a forum is a collective of people that make the forum work, for me i don't see forums 'per say' as on-going supporters of what we are trying to achieve (since we have decided to have our own discussion forums on the website) i prefer to have individuals or websites 'as such' who will take an active interest in supporting and promoting towards the building of Camper Stops in the UK.I will send out emails to lots of different websites, some with forums like this one but i do not see the point of having discussions on lots of different forums as it will become too fragmented in a very short period of time, need to keep all interested parties singing from the same hymn sheet!Hope that answers your question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 Camper Stops Update: Got most of the website working as it should today so now i can get some "meat on the bones" Why is there not enough hours in the day?Some of the website features are now for members only, joining is easy and the discussion forums are now open.www.camperstops.orgCheersKeith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 Contacting Graham HadfieldSomeone posted a link to contact him but i cannot find it? anyone...Thanks in adavanceKeith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Does this help? http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/view-profile.asp?action=view&uid=1477 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 Perfect Traker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 sambukashot - 2013-06-10 11:11 AMPerfect Traker...Only my dog thinks I'm perfect - and I doubt her sanity too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 I tried that email address and it's come back to me, invalid addressAnybody else know how to contact Graham please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 Found it, Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 crinklystarfish - 2013-05-29 9:40 AM On page 1 I posted a link to Graham Hadfield's site. It's a good resource for what you aim to achieve. Check out his various links then (leaving the ethics of intellectual property rights as a separate issue) [CTRL + C] > [CTRL + V] as applicable. leaving the ethics of intellectual property rights as a separate issue I'm alerted to this thread and come back after a long time to have a look and I see that ignorant and irresponsible comment. That's the whole reason why the web site is closing down. Isn't it clear enough to say In the absence of any indication to the contrary, the web site design, graphics, text and all other materials and arrangement thereof contained within this web site are held under copyright. No part of this material may be stored, transmitted, re-transmitted or reproduced in any form or medium without the permission of the relevant copyright holder. Permission is hereby given for information to be extracted from this web site (including printing and copying to computers for off-line viewing) for personal use free of charge. Copyright in information displayed on this web site supplied by public sector bodies remains with those bodies. Copyright in all other parts of this web site remains with Graham Hadfield. Is it any wonder I steer clear of this forum these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 Don't worry Graham i will not be copy and pasting anything from your website, not my style!Only original fresh content which i am busy working on now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Please rest assured, Keith, my anger was with the post quoted not with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambukashot Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 Thank you, and i can understand your fustration... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 GJH - 2013-06-11 6:41 PM Please rest assured, Keith, my anger was with the post quoted not with you. That's a relief Graham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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