Pampam Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Watching the trooping of the colour makes me so proud to be British .pp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Owner Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Well said, Pam, it does the same for me too. No other nation on earth can put on a show like that! Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Good for you Pam when we put our minds to it we are the best in the world. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postnote Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I'm VERY proud to be British, but I'm not proud of how our politicians and their policies pamper to not upseting our foreign immigrants and ignore our British culture and our human rights that those before us fought and lost their lives for! >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 postnote - 2013-06-16 6:38 AM I'm VERY proud to be British, but I'm not proud of how our politicians and their policies pamper to not upseting our foreign immigrants and ignore our British culture and our human rights that those before us fought and lost their lives for! >:-) Proud to be British?? Not when our mutilated troops are refused benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbi Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Can't say I am proud to be British, and quite frankly, I find it strange how people can be proud of them being part of a certain country or nation. I am usually only proud of things I have played an active role in achieving and not of something that is pure coincidence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postnote Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Orbi - 2013-06-18 8:37 AM Can't say I am proud to be British, and quite frankly, I find it strange how people can be proud of them being part of a certain country or nation. I am usually only proud of things I have played an active role in achieving and not of something that is pure coincidence...Maybe that statement qualifies why Britain is no longer great, thanks to people like you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pampam Posted June 18, 2013 Author Share Posted June 18, 2013 OOPS sorry orbi I stand corrected I should have said "the troops did themselves proud" at the trooping of the colour today. Grammar has never been my forte . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbi Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 postnote - 2013-06-18 8:58 AM Orbi - 2013-06-18 8:37 AM Can't say I am proud to be British, and quite frankly, I find it strange how people can be proud of them being part of a certain country or nation. I am usually only proud of things I have played an active role in achieving and not of something that is pure coincidence...Maybe that statement qualifies why Britain is no longer great, thanks to people like you! Come on, what does being proud of one's country have to do with the country's greatness? ;) Don't get me wrong, I am happy to be British, but honestly, I find being proud of sth one hasn't actually taken an active part in achieving kind of strange... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Orbi - 2013-06-20 10:48 AM postnote - 2013-06-18 8:58 AM Orbi - 2013-06-18 8:37 AM Can't say I am proud to be British, and quite frankly, I find it strange how people can be proud of them being part of a certain country or nation. I am usually only proud of things I have played an active role in achieving and not of something that is pure coincidence...Maybe that statement qualifies why Britain is no longer great, thanks to people like you! Come on, what does being proud of one's country have to do with the country's greatness? ;) Don't get me wrong, I am happy to be British, but honestly, I find being proud of sth one hasn't actually taken an active part in achieving kind of strange... And another thing that mystifies me is what exactly do people mean by "greatness"? Is it that our guns used to be bigger than their guns and so we could walk in and take anything we wanted for our own use? Is it that our industries used to be more dominant on the world scene but, as other countries have developed, we have been faced with tougher competition? Or is it that we no longer win the Eurovision Song Contest? Apart from anything else, what's wrong with being a minor power? It hasn't done countries such as Norway too much harm. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 John 47 - 2013-06-20 11:27 AM Apart from anything else, what's wrong with being a minor power? It hasn't done countries such as Norway too much harm. :-D I like the idea of being a minor power B-)...................It'll be much cheaper, and we won't upset so many people ;-) ..........only one problem *-)................our politicians >:-) I'm proud to be a................................ pouffe stuffer and pelmet fettler :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 John 47 - 2013-06-20 12:27 PM Orbi - 2013-06-20 10:48 AM postnote - 2013-06-18 8:58 AM Orbi - 2013-06-18 8:37 AM Can't say I am proud to be British, and quite frankly, I find it strange how people can be proud of them being part of a certain country or nation. I am usually only proud of things I have played an active role in achieving and not of something that is pure coincidence...Maybe that statement qualifies why Britain is no longer great, thanks to people like you! Come on, what does being proud of one's country have to do with the country's greatness? ;) Don't get me wrong, I am happy to be British, but honestly, I find being proud of sth one hasn't actually taken an active part in achieving kind of strange... And another thing that mystifies me is what exactly do people mean by "greatness"? Is it that our guns used to be bigger than their guns and so we could walk in and take anything we wanted for our own use? Is it that our industries used to be more dominant on the world scene but, as other countries have developed, we have been faced with tougher competition? Or is it that we no longer win the Eurovision Song Contest? Apart from anything else, what's wrong with being a minor power? It hasn't done countries such as Norway too much harm. :-D Indeed, nor Canada. Or Sweden. Or Brazil. Or Italy. Or Ireland. Or Thailand. Or Belgium. Etc, etc, etc. It was in truth the bigotry, the military and religious aggression and invasion and pillage by force of many other countries that made the people of little island of Britain THINK they were somehow better than the humans in other countries. Perhaps the irrational jingoists and rose-tinted specs brigade could explain to the rest us us: by what actual empirical measures is the island of Britain (made up of the two countries of England and Scotland, plus the principality of England called Wales) "Great" in comparison with all the other countries I mentioned above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pampam Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share Posted June 20, 2013 ORBI ORBI ORBI didn't you read my second posting!!! I apologised for my bad grammar and said "the troops did themselves proud "and your still banging on about the first post .pp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Who mentioned that feeling pride for your country some how meant that you must think little island Britain was some how greater than other countries ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesgrandad Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Before you all get too jingoistic or bolshie, can I suggest that originally Britain was essentially England and Wales. When we offered to help out the Scots if they joined us we became Great Britain to include all the islands and bits. AGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbi Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Pampam - 2013-06-20 7:27 PM ORBI ORBI ORBI didn't you read my second posting!!! I apologised for my bad grammar and said "the troops did themselves proud "and your still banging on about the first post .pp No worries, I read that, I was reffering to postnote in my answer :) Ans now let's end this "pride" discussion ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Can't really understand why anyone would get annoyed about taking pride in your country . If I take pride in my children , doesn't mean I think they are in someway better than others or pride in my appearance doesn't mean I'm better dressed than anyone else . Suppose as with a lot of discussions on here to have pride in your country probably somehow makes you a racist . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I am very proud of my country and proud to be British. I'm proud of my ancestors' bravery and enterprise in setting sail across uncharted seas to discover new worlds. I'm proud of our democratic traditions that we have exported to many other countries. I'm proud of our history of tolerance and acceptance of other faiths and most of all of our willingness to give sanctuary to the oppressed and persecuted of other countries, from the Huguenots in the 16th and 17th centuries to the Jews in the last century and to others from many other war-torn nations in this century. It's a love of, and pride in, our country that rallies us to the banners when danger threatens. When Hitler wanted to make us part of his Third Reich it was those who loved their country, those who were patriotic, who volunteered to fight and defend us who saved us from eventual slavery. I wonder what the attitude would have been in 1939 of all those who scorn national pride and patriotism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 To be proud, one presumably has to have pride in, or of, something: in this case one's country (however defined). So, this, from Wiki, on the "Seven Deadly Sins". In almost every list, pride (Latin, superbia), or hubris (Greek), is considered the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins, and the source of the others. It is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self (especially holding self out of proper position toward God). Dante's definition was "love of self perverted to hatred and contempt for one's neighbour". In Jacob Bidermann's medieval miracle play, Cenodoxus, pride is the deadliest of all the sins and leads directly to the damnation of the titulary famed Parisian doctor. In perhaps the best-known example, the story of Lucifer, pride (his desire to compete with God) was what caused his fall from Heaven, and his resultant transformation into Satan. Seems about right to me! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Had Enough - 2013-06-21 6:22 PM It's a love of, and pride in, our country that rallies us to the banners when danger threatens. When Hitler wanted to make us part of his Third Reich it was those who loved their country, those who were patriotic, who volunteered to fight and defend us who saved us from eventual slavery. I wonder what the attitude would have been in 1939 of all those who scorn national pride and patriotism? No it wasn't. Really, it wasn't. Some 20th Century history study might be beneficial. The British Government declared war on Germany because Hitler refused to get his troops out of Poland. NOT because he wanted to make the UK part of his Reich, that is a complete fabrication. And the British troops that were despatched across the Channel to fight/die on foreign soil didn't CHOOSE to do so. They did so because they had been ordered by their Commanders, who in turn had been ordered by the British Government to do so; initially because they were already serving enlisted personnel, then later because they were conscripted (forced by threat of prison, or indeed of court martial and then being shot once in uniform). The declaration of war was a political act by UK politicians; the ordinary people who then fought it did so because they'd been ordered to do so by those same politicians; NOT because they were all dying (literally) to race across mainland Europe to lay down their lives to save the Polish population from a neighbour aggressor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 BGD - 2013-06-22 5:52 PM Had Enough - 2013-06-21 6:22 PM It's a love of, and pride in, our country that rallies us to the banners when danger threatens. When Hitler wanted to make us part of his Third Reich it was those who loved their country, those who were patriotic, who volunteered to fight and defend us who saved us from eventual slavery. I wonder what the attitude would have been in 1939 of all those who scorn national pride and patriotism? No it wasn't. Really, it wasn't. Some 20th Century history study might be beneficial. The British Government declared war on Germany because Hitler refused to get his troops out of Poland. NOT because he wanted to make the UK part of his Reich, that is a complete fabrication. And the British troops that were despatched across the Channel to fight/die on foreign soil didn't CHOOSE to do so. They did so because they had been ordered by their Commanders, who in turn had been ordered by the British Government to do so; initially because they were already serving enlisted personnel, then later because they were conscripted (forced by threat of prison, or indeed of court martial and then being shot once in uniform). The declaration of war was a political act by UK politicians; the ordinary people who then fought it did so because they'd been ordered to do so by those same politicians; NOT because they were all dying (literally) to race across mainland Europe to lay down their lives to save the Polish population from a neighbour aggressor. That is probably the most concise and accurate summary of the situation that I have ever heard. I absolutely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwendolyn Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 BGD - 2013-06-22 5:52 PM Had Enough - 2013-06-21 6:22 PM It's a love of, and pride in, our country that rallies us to the banners when danger threatens. When Hitler wanted to make us part of his Third Reich it was those who loved their country, those who were patriotic, who volunteered to fight and defend us who saved us from eventual slavery. I wonder what the attitude would have been in 1939 of all those who scorn national pride and patriotism? No it wasn't. Really, it wasn't. Some 20th Century history study might be beneficial. The British Government declared war on Germany because Hitler refused to get his troops out of Poland. NOT because he wanted to make the UK part of his Reich, that is a complete fabrication. And the British troops that were despatched across the Channel to fight/die on foreign soil didn't CHOOSE to do so. They did so because they had been ordered by their Commanders, who in turn had been ordered by the British Government to do so; initially because they were already serving enlisted personnel, then later because they were conscripted (forced by threat of prison, or indeed of court martial and then being shot once in uniform). The declaration of war was a political act by UK politicians; the ordinary people who then fought it did so because they'd been ordered to do so by those same politicians; NOT because they were all dying (literally) to race across mainland Europe to lay down their lives to save the Polish population from a neighbour aggressor. That is a concise summing up of one view of the history of the period. Documents relating to Operation Sea Lion may give another view. History is not all facts in a Gradgrind kind of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 BGD - 2013-06-22 5:52 PM Had Enough - 2013-06-21 6:22 PM It's a love of, and pride in, our country that rallies us to the banners when danger threatens. When Hitler wanted to make us part of his Third Reich it was those who loved their country, those who were patriotic, who volunteered to fight and defend us who saved us from eventual slavery. I wonder what the attitude would have been in 1939 of all those who scorn national pride and patriotism? No it wasn't. Really, it wasn't. Some 20th Century history study might be beneficial. The British Government declared war on Germany because Hitler refused to get his troops out of Poland. NOT because he wanted to make the UK part of his Reich, that is a complete fabrication. And the British troops that were despatched across the Channel to fight/die on foreign soil didn't CHOOSE to do so. They did so because they had been ordered by their Commanders, who in turn had been ordered by the British Government to do so; initially because they were already serving enlisted personnel, then later because they were conscripted (forced by threat of prison, or indeed of court martial and then being shot once in uniform). The declaration of war was a political act by UK politicians; the ordinary people who then fought it did so because they'd been ordered to do so by those same politicians; NOT because they were all dying (literally) to race across mainland Europe to lay down their lives to save the Polish population from a neighbour aggressor. Thank you for that but I am fully aware of the events leading up to WW2 (and WW1 for that matter!). Perhaps a little understanding of history is in order? When Hitler had conquered most of Europe do you think he'd have left us alone? If he hadn't been stopped we'd probably be speaking German by now. And thousands and thousands of men and women volunteered for the forces and the auxiliary services, often inspired by patriotism and a love of country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 knight of the road - 2013-06-16 9:24 AMpostnote - 2013-06-16 6:38 AMI'm VERY proud to be British, but I'm not proud of how our politicians and their policies pamper to not upseting our foreign immigrants and ignore our British culture and our human rights that those before us fought and lost their lives for! >:-)Proud to be British?? Not when our mutilated troops are refused benefits. I agree, why anyone would want to be a Soldier is beyond me, they are Cannon Fodder, treated like S@@@ when injured or maimed and if that doesn't get them they are made redundant to suit the Politicians, Queen and Country, what a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Brian Kirby - 2013-06-22 5:34 PM To be proud, one presumably has to have pride in, or of, something: in this case one's country (however defined). So, this, from Wiki, on the "Seven Deadly Sins". In almost every list, pride (Latin, superbia), or hubris (Greek), is considered the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins, and the source of the others. It is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self (especially holding self out of proper position toward God). Dante's definition was "love of self perverted to hatred and contempt for one's neighbour". In Jacob Bidermann's medieval miracle play, Cenodoxus, pride is the deadliest of all the sins and leads directly to the damnation of the titulary famed Parisian doctor. In perhaps the best-known example, the story of Lucifer, pride (his desire to compete with God) was what caused his fall from Heaven, and his resultant transformation into Satan. Seems about right to me! :-D I fail to see how pride in one's country and its achievements means that we also believe that we are superior to others. I'm proud of Britain for the reasons already stated but I also have a deep admiration for many other countries as well. I also have a loathing of some countries, which I believe have odious regimes. Have you never felt proud of anything? A couple of years ago my daughter committed a very selfless act, one where many would have walked on by. I was so proud of her. I'm sorry if my pride offends you and others but I don't really care. I shall continue to feel proud of my country and my family and I feel very sorry for people who cannot feel pride in the achievements and acts of others. And nothing in this thread has been about pride in oneself. But I really can't understand what's wrong with feeling proud about something that you may have personally achieved. Is the athlete who trains harder and tries harder than others and goes on to win an Olympic gold wrong to feel pride in his or her success? Is the soldier who risks his life to save his comrades wrong to feel proud of what his actions achieved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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