antony1969 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Seems a vote for Labour these days may well more than ever be a vote for the Unite union . The union are hoping to have more Unite members selected as possible future Labour candidates . Maybe a vote for UKIP may well let the likes of Len McCluskey run the country , Scary ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Well if Labour get in - it sure as hell would not be Ed Millibean running the country. Problem we have is that none of the traditional 3 parties have a clue. Their leaders come from the same shallow end of the gene pool such that alternatives look increasingly attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Caught the tail end of the Radio 4 coverage of this leading up to the 9am news. Seems like a clear case of gerrymandering to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowie Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I feel a "Clause 4" moment coming up in the fast lane. (if only) just in time for the election? Labour need some wealthy backers to step up to the plate, I'll not hold my breath, alan b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 snowie - 2013-07-05 12:24 PM I feel a "Clause 4" moment coming up in the fast lane. (if only) just in time for the election? Labour need some wealthy backers to step up to the plate, I'll not hold my breath, alan b Couldn't Tony donate some of the stash from the after dinner circuit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowie Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 antony1969 - 2013-07-05 12:37 PM Couldn't Tony donate some of the stash from the after dinner circuit ? Then we'd have another "Gift-Aid" moment! alan b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 antony1969 - 2013-07-04 12:38 PM Seems a vote for Labour these days may well more than ever be a vote for the Unite union . The union are hoping to have more Unite members selected as possible future Labour candidates . Maybe a vote for UKIP may well let the likes of Len McCluskey run the country , Scary ! The only scary thing as far as I'm concerned is for the most part everyone keeps voting like Turkeys would vote for Christmas, why not have one leap of faith and everyone vote UKIP, it would at the very least show the established parties they cannot take anything for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-07-05 2:53 PM antony1969 - 2013-07-04 12:38 PM Seems a vote for Labour these days may well more than ever be a vote for the Unite union . The union are hoping to have more Unite members selected as possible future Labour candidates . Maybe a vote for UKIP may well let the likes of Len McCluskey run the country , Scary ! The only scary thing as far as I'm concerned is for the most part everyone keeps voting like Turkeys would vote for Christmas, why not have one leap of faith and everyone vote UKIP, it would at the very least show the established parties they cannot take anything for granted.[/quote In an ideal world could be good , in reality it's not going to happen . UKIP gaining mean the Tories losing and that means Dead Ed and Co sneaking in through the back door and that don't appeal to me too much . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 antony1969 - 2013-07-05 3:30 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-07-05 2:53 PM antony1969 - 2013-07-04 12:38 PM Seems a vote for Labour these days may well more than ever be a vote for the Unite union . The union are hoping to have more Unite members selected as possible future Labour candidates . Maybe a vote for UKIP may well let the likes of Len McCluskey run the country , Scary ! The only scary thing as far as I'm concerned is for the most part everyone keeps voting like Turkeys would vote for Christmas, why not have one leap of faith and everyone vote UKIP, it would at the very least show the established parties they cannot take anything for granted.[/quote In an ideal world could be good , in reality it's not going to happen . UKIP gaining mean the Tories losing and that means Dead Ed and Co sneaking in through the back door and that don't appeal to me too much . I'll vote UKIP and settle for a hung parliament, then watch for the U turns. Looks like some legal action on the horizon, hopefully. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowie Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 nowtelse2do - 2013-07-05 4:36 PM I'll vote UKIP and settle for a hung parliament, then watch for the U turns. Dave I sense quite a bit of UKIP support on these forums; which I find strange , bearing in mind the widely expressed preference for travelling and just being in europe, regards alan b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 snowie - 2013-07-05 5:39 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-07-05 4:36 PM I'll vote UKIP and settle for a hung parliament, then watch for the U turns. Dave I sense quite a bit of UKIP support on these forums; which I find strange , bearing in mind the widely expressed preference for travelling and just being in europe, regards alan b Just a protest vote alan. Lets face it they can't do any worse. Labour shafted us, Con/Libs shafting us, might be interesting to have a different party shafting us. :-D Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowie Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 nowtelse2do - 2013-07-05 6:05 PM Just a protest vote alan. Lets face it they can't do any worse. Labour shafted us, Con/Libs shafting us, might be interesting to have a different party shafting us. :-D Dave Too important Dave, unless you are voting tactically; better not to vote if you really think that way, because a UKIP shafting would hurt an awful lot more.....IMVHO. UKIP are even less impressive than the three other parties. Two years to go......... can we wait? Let the campaigns start! take care alan b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 snowie - 2013-07-05 7:28 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-07-05 6:05 PM Just a protest vote alan. Lets face it they can't do any worse. Labour shafted us, Con/Libs shafting us, might be interesting to have a different party shafting us. :-D Dave Too important Dave, unless you are voting tactically; better not to vote if you really think that way, because a UKIP shafting would hurt an awful lot more.....IMVHO. UKIP are even less impressive than the three other parties. Two years to go......... can we wait? Let the campaigns start! take care alan b I'll use my vote because up to now it's free. Labour left us with a bit of a debt plus a couple of wars = shafted. Liberal's = Well lets not go down that road. Cons + LibDem leaders, well a couple of children playing grown ups with no clue how to do it unless the answer is to tax everything in sight, believe every green environment proposal is gospel, allow every Tom, Dick and Allah into the country because EU say so. ring fence overseas aid to countries where the leaders cream off most of it (bit like here) when its needed here. The only good thing about the EU is that we can use the same currency in most European countries, but I managed before so thats not too much of a problem.New Rule, let every foreign company of the hook for not paying taxes but accept a small token tax as a thank you......I'll stop before I get to the utility's and NHS, we will be here all night rhyming them off. A change just might start waking our so called leaders up. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesgrandad Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 I am all for the UK leaving the EU asap, but we should keep in mind that a large part of what we dislike about the EU is ignored by most European leaders, whereas our polititions and Civil Service mandarins seem to seek an interpretation which will destroy our own country. Ie. Why do the Metropolitan Police need BMW police cars, even 4x4 X5 models, when we have nowhere that needs such a vehicle, and if they did we have Land Rover just up the road giving jobs to Brits. AGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Archiesgrandad - 2013-07-06 1:28 PM I am all for the UK leaving the EU asap, but we should keep in mind that a large part of what we dislike about the EU is ignored by most European leaders, whereas our polititions and Civil Service mandarins seem to seek an interpretation which will destroy our own country. Ie. Why do the Metropolitan Police need BMW police cars, even 4x4 X5 models, when we have nowhere that needs such a vehicle, and if they did we have Land Rover just up the road giving jobs to Brits. AGD I don't share your view about leaving the EU but you are spot on in your analysis of the main problem. Whether we are in or out of the EU, our rule-loving civil service will still be engaging in their time-honoured practice of taking a regulation and seeing just how difficult they can make it for our businesses and citizens. Far from leaving the EU, I sometimes think we'd be better off if we replaced our officials with French, Spanish or Italian ones who, when they see a new regulation, say "that's interesting" and promptly put it on a shelf to gather dust! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 John 47 - 2013-07-06 5:07 PM Archiesgrandad - 2013-07-06 1:28 PM I am all for the UK leaving the EU asap, but we should keep in mind that a large part of what we dislike about the EU is ignored by most European leaders, whereas our polititions and Civil Service mandarins seem to seek an interpretation which will destroy our own country. Ie. Why do the Metropolitan Police need BMW police cars, even 4x4 X5 models, when we have nowhere that needs such a vehicle, and if they did we have Land Rover just up the road giving jobs to Brits. AGD Far from leaving the EU, I sometimes think we'd be better off if we replaced our officials with French, Spanish or Italian ones who, when they see a new regulation, say "that's interesting" and promptly put it on a shelf to gather dust! :-D Thats a good pointer John for one of the reason to leave the E 'UNION'. Italy & Spain on their uppers and France snapping at their heels. Last figures I saw were exports to Europe were falling but on the rise to the rest of the world. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Speaking as an exporter :D....................well not quite just waiting for the dosh to turn up before I let the couriers have it ;-)...............UKIP is not anti Europe.................its anti gravy train ;-).............civil servants of every country are incapable of generating their own income *-)...............so seek it out by sucking the life blood out of its host nation................the EU is a giant blood sucker on the back of 27 nations >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 nowtelse2do - 2013-07-06 8:19 PM Thats a good pointer John for one of the reason to leave the E 'UNION'. Italy & Spain on their uppers and France snapping at their heels. Last figures I saw were exports to Europe were falling but on the rise to the rest of the world. Dave And, of course, we are doing exceptionally well at the moment, aren't we? (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 Two more seats now under police scrutiny , dear oh dear . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 John 47 - 2013-07-06 10:38 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-07-06 8:19 PM Thats a good pointer John for one of the reason to leave the E 'UNION'. Italy & Spain on their uppers and France snapping at their heels. Last figures I saw were exports to Europe were falling but on the rise to the rest of the world. Dave And, of course, we are doing exceptionally well at the moment, aren't we? (lol) According to the IMF a lot better than what they thought, and another report that said we didn't have a double dip and even another report that said it was a possibility we didn't go into a recession in the first place although it was close now that all the sums have been done. Under the circumstances I would agree with you. We are doing exceptionally well. ;-) Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 47 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 nowtelse2do - 2013-07-08 9:21 PM John 47 - 2013-07-06 10:38 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-07-06 8:19 PM Thats a good pointer John for one of the reason to leave the E 'UNION'. Italy & Spain on their uppers and France snapping at their heels. Last figures I saw were exports to Europe were falling but on the rise to the rest of the world. Dave And, of course, we are doing exceptionally well at the moment, aren't we? (lol) According to the IMF a lot better than what they thought, and another report that said we didn't have a double dip and even another report that said it was a possibility we didn't go into a recession in the first place although it was close now that all the sums have been done. Under the circumstances I would agree with you. We are doing exceptionally well. ;-) Dave Haven't seen any report about us not going into recession in the first place but I doubt that you would get too much agreement from the businesses that have had a torrid time or the people who have lost their jobs or the people who have had to take a pay cut and so on. As for the second "dip", the best interpretation of that I have seen is that things flat-lined. Technically, therefore, we may not have had two dips but it is a point that only seems to impress theoretical analysts. The reality is we have been through - and are still going through - a difficult economic time and I cannot believe that things would have been better if we had put barriers up between us and our biggest trading partner. Interesting too that those who want us to leave the EU always point to the economic situation in Greece or Spain and never to that in Germany or the Netherlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 John 47 - 2013-07-09 5:58 PM Haven't seen any report about us not going into recession in the first place but I doubt that you would get too much agreement from the businesses that have had a torrid time or the people who have lost their jobs or the people who have had to take a pay cut and so on. As for the second "dip", the best interpretation of that I have seen is that things flat-lined. Technically, therefore, we may not have had two dips but it is a point that only seems to impress theoretical analysts. The reality is we have been through - and are still going through - a difficult economic time and I cannot believe that things would have been better if we had put barriers up between us and our biggest trading partner. Interesting too that those who want us to leave the EU always point to the economic situation in Greece or Spain and never to that in Germany or the Netherlands. OK, I'll point to Portugal and France as well! IMF upgrades UK Forecast as it downgrades the rest of the world! http://goo.gl/dtJRM France in deep doo doo! http://goo.gl/TjqJN French business leaders lash out at Hollande! http://goo.gl/FD6vm Good old socialism eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 John 47 - 2013-07-09 5:58 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-07-08 9:21 PM John 47 - 2013-07-06 10:38 PM nowtelse2do - 2013-07-06 8:19 PM Thats a good pointer John for one of the reason to leave the E 'UNION'. Italy & Spain on their uppers and France snapping at their heels. Last figures I saw were exports to Europe were falling but on the rise to the rest of the world. Dave And, of course, we are doing exceptionally well at the moment, aren't we? (lol) According to the IMF a lot better than what they thought, and another report that said we didn't have a double dip and even another report that said it was a possibility we didn't go into a recession in the first place although it was close now that all the sums have been done. Under the circumstances I would agree with you. We are doing exceptionally well. ;-) Dave Haven't seen any report about us not going into recession in the first place . Will retract that statement, the report I read said the recession wasn't as deep as was first thought. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I see the union 'UNITE' are trying to do their bit by calling a strike that may shut down the Land Rover/Jaguar group over here. One of our biggest exporters if not the biggest. Sounds right. >:-( Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Interesting how things have changed, 40 years ago my membership of a union meant another vote for them whether I wanted to or not. The unions excised great control over Labour policy with block voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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