PJay Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Heard on news yesterday that the Jim Saville investigation has cost the taxpayer (All of US) £millions of pounds. Should his estate pay for this? If he had been taken to court in his lifetime, he would have footed the bill, so why not claim off his estate? This case has dug up a whole can of worms, so why not new legal rules ??? Or are the ""Victims" going to get compensated by US the taxpayers.? There is a legal time limit on claiming from a dead relatives estate (30 years), so how have some of these "victims" come forward after so many years? Think some have seen £££ signs looming big. Of course I don't agree with what happened, but to leave it for so long, ? PJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Well, they've come forward of course because they knew that they may not have been believed if they'd spoken out earlier. All criminal investigations cost money, but the day we start trying to claim back the cost from the convicted will be a sad day in this country. If by a momentary loss of judgement you caused a serious pile up on the motorway, how would you feel about losing your house to pay for the proceedings and for the thousands of pounds that it cost the emergency services? Claim back the proceeds of crime by all means. I've no problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Owner Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Quite right Frank. I think that some of Savile's alleged victims have already 'lined up' their legal teams to claim compensation from his estate -- that, in law, and in our litigious times, is something that they are allowed to do, once it has been proved that each individual claimant has a case against the late paedophile, of course. Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 How will claiming a wodge of cash undo the supposed hurt. Load of money grabbers in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 peter - 2013-07-17 11:14 PM How will claiming a wodge of cash undo the supposed hurt. Load of money grabbers in my opinion. If someone caused an accident that resulted in you losing a leg I suppose you wouldn't sue because no amount of money could bring back your leg? What money does is compensate for the hurt. That's why it's called compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Still money grabbers, after all this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Had Enough - 2013-07-17 11:19 PM peter - 2013-07-17 11:14 PM How will claiming a wodge of cash undo the supposed hurt. Load of money grabbers in my opinion. If someone caused an accident that resulted in you losing a leg I suppose you wouldn't sue because no amount of money could bring back your leg? What money does is compensate for the hurt. That's why it's called compensation. You'd probably sue because you would probably incur costs and losses with the loss of a leg, I'm not sure what costs and losses are involved by being groped, and in the case of a dead man who cannot refute or challenge his accusers, and for presumably offences that may or may not have been committed in a private situation without any witness how on earth can it be proven without doubt. Call me a cynic, but if the abuse had been carried out by the local dustman who'd snuffed it without a pot to piss in, would it result in the same scenario, sorry but it is about money pure and simple as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 As far as I am aware under the "Proceeds of Crime" Act there may be an option to reclaim costs from his estate. Tho i suspect that because he is dead and the nature of the crime, that this case does not "fit" within the legislation that well. I am no legal expert on this and so this is just my opinion - maybe others can throw some light on it. To me it is clear that where a drug dealer accrues assets via crime, those assets should be recovered. Not sure how Saville's crimes - as heinous as they are - "fits". However, whatever the cost of the Saville investigation - I do believe that overall the money was well spent because it has exposed organisations like the BBC and the NHS. Both were complicit in allowing Saville to do what he wanted and when brave people at the time said this is wrong, it was the whistleblower that got punished! This investigation uncovered just how complicit the establishment was in serious child abuse! The Rochdale case indicates that the establishment can still feel comfortable turning a blind eye to child abuse! Here the Social Services stated that it was lifestyle choice by the children and did so did nothing! With Saville - the various establishments said "he is a celebrity and he gets us lots of donations therefore we see nothing!" Whatever it costs those guilty of complicity should be challenged over their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 There are no proceeds of crime to distribute. As his money was not made as a result of the alleged offences. In any case how can any crime be proven to have taken place after 30 odd years and the accused is long dead. But it won't stop those who sense that some cash might be coming their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 peter - 2013-07-18 10:40 PM There are no proceeds of crime to distribute. As his money was not made as a result of the alleged offences. In any case how can any crime be proven to have taken place after 30 odd years and the accused is long dead. But it won't stop those who sense that some cash might be coming their way. Now I come to think of it, he touched me up when I was a lad, I wonder that would be enough for a new IH van ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Where was that then, in the school playground?. You're probably about the same age. :D AS for the van, give it a go (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-07-19 5:00 AM peter - 2013-07-18 10:40 PM There are no proceeds of crime to distribute. As his money was not made as a result of the alleged offences. In any case how can any crime be proven to have taken place after 30 odd years and the accused is long dead. But it won't stop those who sense that some cash might be coming their way. Now I come to think of it, he touched me up when I was a lad, I wonder that would be enough for a new IH van ? I'm sure that if Jimmy touched you up he deserves a new motorhome. But it wouldn't be much good to him now. He did enjoy his motorhomes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Had Enough - 2013-07-19 10:20 PM 1footinthegrave - 2013-07-19 5:00 AM peter - 2013-07-18 10:40 PM There are no proceeds of crime to distribute. As his money was not made as a result of the alleged offences. In any case how can any crime be proven to have taken place after 30 odd years and the accused is long dead. But it won't stop those who sense that some cash might be coming their way. Now I come to think of it, he touched me up when I was a lad, I wonder that would be enough for a new IH van ? I'm sure that if Jimmy touched you up he deserves a new motorhome. But it wouldn't be much good to him now. He did enjoy his motorhomes though. I was very often a target of homosexuals, given my dashing good looks as a young man. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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