BP

[Dave225]

It would appear that BP is becoming the answer to the US debt problem. Evidently the moralistic Yanks are making so many spurious claims against BP for the Gulf Well disaster that there is a significant possibility the Company could go belly up. Even the US lawyers have stated publically that 'they are there for the taking'. Obama seems to be fanning the flames of anti British sentiment as he feels it helps him politically but as 40% of BP is held in the US, it seems a bit short sighted, but then again when did Obama ever know what he was doing?

 

Of course our Government is rolling over and allowing this all to happen as after all Cameron got a wee ride in Airforce One and so feels wanted. BP has asked for help from our Government but is unlikely to get ti.

 

When one compares what has happened to BP with what happened to ExxonMobil in Alaska then one does wonder. Similarly Occidental rolled out of the UK after Piper Alpha with a very small payout in comparable terms and as for Union Carbide in India, well what can one say? They will never ever get justice.

 

As the Americans will tell you there is only one form of justice, that which benefits the US.

 

Some may say that BP deserve everything that is coming as they are a rich greedy oil company, but as they pay a large chunk of all UK pensions and UK Corporation Tax, unlike US Companies, then maybe we should be a little more concerned. Bluntly in my own very small way I refuse to buy Esso petrol anymore, or will ever visit the US.

 

[Guest Had Enough]

Dave225 - 2013-07-17 7:56 PM

 

It would appear that BP is becoming the answer to the US debt problem. Evidently the moralistic Yanks are making so many spurious claims against BP for the Gulf Well disaster that there is a significant possibility the Company could go belly up. Even the US lawyers have stated publically that 'they are there for the taking'. Obama seems to be fanning the flames of anti British sentiment as he feels it helps him politically but as 40% of BP is held in the US, it seems a bit short sighted, but then again when did Obama ever know what he was doing?

 

Of course our Government is rolling over and allowing this all to happen as after all Cameron got a wee ride in Airforce One and so feels wanted. BP has asked for help from our Government but is unlikely to get ti.

 

When one compares what has happened to BP with what happened to ExxonMobil in Alaska then one does wonder. Similarly Occidental rolled out of the UK after Piper Alpha with a very small payout in comparable terms and as for Union Carbide in India, well what can one say? They will never ever get justice.

 

As the Americans will tell you there is only one form of justice, that which benefits the US.

 

Some may say that BP deserve everything that is coming as they are a rich greedy oil company, but as they pay a large chunk of all UK pensions and UK Corporation Tax, unlike US Companies, then maybe we should be a little more concerned. Bluntly in my own very small way I refuse to buy Esso petrol anymore, or will ever visit the US.

 

How awful, some companies have made spurious claims against BP to try to get a share in the Gulf payout!

 

That would never happen in the UK of course. No one would ever make a spurious claim here. All those whiplash injuries are definitely genuine!

 

It's a good thing for you that this oil spill happened because it gives you an opportunity to vent your ludicrous anti-American tripe!

 

Take these statements: '....but then again when did Obama ever know what he was doing?'

 

"after all Cameron got a wee ride in Airforce One and so feels wanted."

 

But my favourite is this:

 

'As the Americans will tell you there is only one form of justice, that which benefits the US.'

 

Really, who told you that? I've been to America many times and know many Americans but can't say I've ever come across that sentiment once!

 

I'm sure that the fact that you are never ever going to visit America will come as a huge blow to that country from which it may never recover.

 

Looking on the bright side though, if a few people like you don't go there may be a bit more room for the thousands and thousands of people from all over the world who are absolutely desperate to emigrate to America, even to the extent of risking their lives to do so. Odd that isn't it if it's such a horrible place?

 

And America's biggest crime as far as all the bitter Lefties are concerned is actually looking after America's interests. How awful of them, we or Russia or China would never stoop so low as to actually look after our own interests would we! Shame on those awful Yanks, how dare they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BGD]

Ummmmm.........it's not actually "America" at all.

 

That's a whole entire continent.

 

I think maybe you meant to say the "USA", which is a little constituent part of America............along with a couple of dozen other countries; most of whom don't seem have the same urge for enforced global domination through force of arms.

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BGD - 2013-07-17 9:54 PM

 

Ummmmm.........it's not actually "America" at all.

 

That's a whole entire continent.

 

I think maybe you meant to say the "USA", which is a little constituent part of America............along with a couple of dozen other countries; most of whom don't seem have the same urge for enforced global domination through force of arms.

 

Sigh! I know it's the United States of America, we all do for God's sake but we talk about Britain when we should say the United Kingdom! We used to talk about Russia when we meant the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics!

 

It's shorthand Bruce. If I was going to Canada or Peru I'd say that I was going to Canada or Peru but most people going to Florida wouldn't say "I'm of to the United States of America for my hols."

 

And which countries have been subjugated by force of arms and permanently occupied by the USA? Unlike the Good old USSR the USA has not forced anyone into its empire! It doesn't actually have an empire!

 

I thank God for the USA and it's force of arms thank you! And I think that the South Koreans to give one example are also quite happy about the USA's 'force of arms'!

 

Which is your favourite superpower then Bruce? China, Russia?

 

 

 

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That's it, end of thread. :D

[Guest pelmetman]

Gawd bless America ;-)

 

For without them we wouldn't of been involved in a illegal war, or dragged into Afghanistan and generally p****d off nearly every Muslim on the planet *-)................not to mention turn most of the middle East into a basket case 8-).......................

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pelmetman - 2013-07-17 10:57 PM

 

Gawd bless America ;-)

 

For without them we wouldn't of been involved in a illegal war, or dragged into Afghanistan and generally p****d off nearly every Muslim on the planet *-)................not to mention turn most of the middle East into a basket case 8-).......................

 

No, but we would be speaking German and working in slave labour factories. Apart from the mentally defective who would have been gassed. Now there's a thought!

 

And since 9/11 there hasn't been one terrorist plot that's been hatched in Afghanistan! But you probably hadn't thought about that?

 

Still we could always let it go back to being one massive training camp for Al Qaeda and suffer the consequences here in the UK.

 

And a lot of the Middle East is now embracing democracy. But you probably hadn't noticed that either!

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Had Enough - 2013-07-17 11:06 PM

 

pelmetman - 2013-07-17 10:57 PM

 

Gawd bless America ;-)

 

For without them we wouldn't of been involved in a illegal war, or dragged into Afghanistan and generally p****d off nearly every Muslim on the planet *-)................not to mention turn most of the middle East into a basket case 8-).......................

 

No, but we would be speaking German and working in slave labour factories. Apart from the mentally defective who would have been gassed. Now there's a thought!

 

And since 9/11 there hasn't been one terrorist plot that's been hatched in Afghanistan! But you probably hadn't thought about that?

 

Still we could always let it go back to being one massive training camp for Al Qaeda and suffer the consequences here in the UK.

 

And a lot of the Middle East is now embracing democracy. But you probably hadn't noticed that either!

 

Oh yeah I forgot about WW2 ;-) ................it was to stop Germany being in charge of Europe :D..............that worked well (lol) (lol) (lol)

 

You may also be right about terrorist plots no longer being hatched in Afghanistan :-S..................as most of them seem to be coming from Birmingham now 8-)

 

Progress eh? *-)

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pelmetman - 2013-07-18 9:37 AM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-17 11:06 PM

 

pelmetman - 2013-07-17 10:57 PM

 

Gawd bless America ;-)

 

For without them we wouldn't of been involved in a illegal war, or dragged into Afghanistan and generally p****d off nearly every Muslim on the planet *-)................not to mention turn most of the middle East into a basket case 8-).......................

 

No, but we would be speaking German and working in slave labour factories. Apart from the mentally defective who would have been gassed. Now there's a thought!

 

And since 9/11 there hasn't been one terrorist plot that's been hatched in Afghanistan! But you probably hadn't thought about that?

 

Still we could always let it go back to being one massive training camp for Al Qaeda and suffer the consequences here in the UK.

 

And a lot of the Middle East is now embracing democracy. But you probably hadn't noticed that either!

 

Oh yeah I forgot about WW2 ;-) ................it was to stop Germany being in charge of Europe :D..............that worked well (lol) (lol) (lol)

 

You may also be right about terrorist plots no longer being hatched in Afghanistan :-S..................as most of them seem to be coming from Birmingham now 8-)

 

Progress eh? *-)

 

There's only you could equate Germany's strong position in Europe with Hitler's determination to rule all of it and turn the other 'sub-human' species into slaves or even ashes.

 

But here's something you may not have thought about. We can monitor terrorist threats in Birmingham and there hasn't been one for years because of the diligence of the security services.

 

It's a bit more difficult to monitor terrorist training camps and bomb-making factories in an Afghanistan ruled by the Taliban.

 

 

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Had Enough - 2013-07-18 10:45 AM

 

 

But here's something you may not have thought about. We can monitor terrorist threats in Birmingham and there hasn't been one for years because of the diligence of the security services.

 

 

 

I reckon Lee Rigby's family would beg to differ *-) .....................

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pelmetman - 2013-07-18 11:09 AM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 10:45 AM

 

 

But here's something you may not have thought about. We can monitor terrorist threats in Birmingham and there hasn't been one for years because of the diligence of the security services.

 

 

 

I reckon Lee Rigby's family would beg to differ *-) .....................

 

Perhaps they would but this wasn't a major terrorist plot designed to kill hundreds. It was two lunatics acting alone.

 

The families of the 3000 victims of 9/11, one of the many terrorists atrocities incubated and planned by Al Qaeda in Afghanistan may also have a view!

 

The facts are inescapable. Since we and our various allies took on the war against the Taliban (at the invitation of the Afghan government) there hasn't been one incident originating from there.

 

If Afghanistan is, once more, allowed to become one huge Al Qaeda base, the death of Lee Rigby will be seen as an almost inconsequential by comparison to what will follow.

 

And before anyone doesn't understand my statement, I am not minimising this young man's death.

 

Your views on Afghanistan and Iraq are simplistic and ill thought out.

 

And neither Iraq or Afghanistan were 'illegal' as you constantly trot out. Just because the Socialist Worker tries to brand them so doesn't make it true!

 

You must try harder I'm afraid!

 

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Had Enough - 2013-07-18 11:55 AM

 

 

Your views on Afghanistan and Iraq are simplistic and ill thought out.

 

And neither Iraq or Afghanistan were 'illegal' as you constantly trot out. Just because the Socialist Worker tries to brand them so doesn't make it true!

 

You must try harder I'm afraid!

 

If I recall correctly old Bin bag Binladin.............was found in where?................Pakistan *-)...............and there's credible evidence that the Pakistan authorities at the very least turned a blind eye ;-)..............so maybe we should invade there next 8-)..............

 

I'm afraid all the Yanks have managed to achieve is fragment the terrorist threat into smaller more numerous cells, and as the USA's poodle we are naturally a target for every rag head with a grudge 8-)

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pelmetman - 2013-07-18 12:06 PM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 11:55 AM

 

 

Your views on Afghanistan and Iraq are simplistic and ill thought out.

 

And neither Iraq or Afghanistan were 'illegal' as you constantly trot out. Just because the Socialist Worker tries to brand them so doesn't make it true!

 

You must try harder I'm afraid!

 

If I recall correctly old Bin bag Binladin.............was found in where?................Pakistan *-)...............and there's credible evidence that the Pakistan authorities at the very least turned a blind eye ;-)..............so maybe we should invade there next 8-)..............

 

I'm afraid all the Yanks have managed to achieve is fragment the terrorist threat into smaller more numerous cells, and as the USA's poodle we are naturally a target for every rag head with a grudge 8-)

 

God, I really can't believe you! Bin Laden was in Afghanistan and escaped by the skin of his teeth!

 

Only you could consider invading Pakistan because there's a suspicion of collaboration in his residence there. And there is no proof of any Pakistani government collaboration anyway!

 

Listen, I give in with you. It's just like arguing with a ten-year-old. Carry on with your simplistic theories. I'm only surprised that you haven't claimed that the US is only in Afghanistan because of the extensive oil fields there!

 

Apart from which, a man who's never heard of Godot! The mind boggles!

 

 

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C.I.A. Director Warns Pakistan on Collusion With Militants

By ELISABETH BUMILLER

Published: June 11, 2011

 

 

WASHINGTON — Leon E. Panetta, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, confronted Pakistani intelligence officials face to face with what the United States believes is evidence of collusion between Pakistani security officials and militants staging attacks in Afghanistan, an American counterterrorism official said Saturday.

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Times Topic: Pakistan

During an unannounced trip to Pakistan’s capital on Friday, Mr. Panetta met with the leader of the Pakistani intelligence service, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, and showed him satellite photographs and other evidence of what the C.I.A. believes to be two facilities for the manufacture of bombs used by militants based in Pakistan against American forces in Afghanistan, the official said. The bomb facilities were in the northwestern districts of North and South Waziristan, both havens for militants.

 

The official said Mr. Panetta was compelled to confront General Pasha after the C.I.A. alerted the Pakistanis about the existence of the bomb-making facilities several weeks ago and asked them to raid the locations. But when the Pakistani Army showed up, the militants were gone, making the C.I.A. suspicious that the militants had warning from someone on the Pakistani side.

 

“The targets seem to have been tipped off,” the American official said, adding, “There are indications that some senior Pakistani officials aren’t happy about it, and neither are we, of course.”

 

A senior Pakistani official said Saturday that at first there was no reason for Pakistan to be suspicious that the bomb makers had disappeared. “Extremist groups often move locations,” the official said. But, the official said, “now that the U.S. side has drawn our attention to the possibility of the Taliban being tipped off between the day the intelligence was shared and the day of our military action, we will work on finding out what happened.”

 

Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence matters.

 

Mr. Panetta’s meeting with General Pasha and the theory that there was a tip-off about the bomb-making facilities were first reported by Time magazine.

 

Tensions between the United States and Pakistan have worsened since the American military raid that killed Osama bin Laden near the Pakistani capital last month. American officials say they have uncovered no evidence that anyone in Pakistan’s senior leadership knew about Bin Laden’s hiding place, although the departing defense secretary, ****Robert M. Gates, said recently that he thought “somebody” in Pakistan knew.****

 

American officials did not tell Pakistan about the raid until afterward.

 

American intelligence and military officials have long said that elements of Pakistan’s intelligence service have close links to Pakistani insurgents and the Pakistani Taliban. American officials say Pakistan supports the insurgents as a proxy force in Afghanistan, preparing for influence after American soldiers leave.

 

Mr. Panetta, who is due to replace Mr. Gates as defense secretary on July 1, said during his confirmation hearing last week that Pakistan, an important American ally, also remained a serious problem.

 

He told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the relationship with Pakistan was “one of the most critical, and yet one of the most complicated and frustrating relationships that we have.” Mr. Panetta added that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons remained a concern because of “the danger that those nukes could wind up in the wrong hands.”

 

Deadly Bombings in Peshawar

 

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) — Two explosions took place minutes apart in the northwest Pakistani city of Peshawar on Sunday, killing at least 34 people and wounding nearly 100 in one of the deadliest attacks since the Navy Seal raid that killed Osama bin Laden last month, officials said.

 

The blasts, one of which was caused by a suicide bomber, occurred just after midnight in an area of the city that is home to political offices and army housing.

 

The first explosion was relatively small and drew police officers and rescue workers to the site, said Dost Mohammed, a senior local police official. A few minutes later, a suicide bomber on a motorcycle set off a large bomb, causing the fatalities and wounding 98 people, 18 critically, said Rahim Jan, a doctor nearby.

 

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

 

Correction: June 12, 2011

 

 

An earlier version of this article misidentified ABC and the Washington Post as the first to report that Leon E. Panetta, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, had met with the leader of the Pakistani intelligence service, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, and discussed the idea that there was a tip-off about the bomb-making facilities.

 

I guess the Yanks arn't going to actually say they know that the Pakistan government knew where he was ;-)....................but its interesting that they never told them until after the raid to get old Binbag >:-)........

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Had Enough - 2013-07-18 12:54 PM

 

Apart from which, a man who's never heard of Godot! The mind boggles!

 

 

Now I see ;-).................I always thought it was spell't "Godo" :-S...........................personally I much prefer a bit of "Bottom" :D

[CliveH]

 

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 12:54 PM

 

Apart from which, a man who's never heard of Godot! The mind boggles!

 

 

 

Is that what all this is Frank - simply filling a void "to hold the terrible silence at bay"

 

 

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CliveH - 2013-07-18 1:54 PM

 

 

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 12:54 PM

 

Apart from which, a man who's never heard of Godot! The mind boggles!

 

 

 

Is that what all this is Frank - simply filling a void "to hold the terrible silence at bay"

 

 

I see you've been scouring the Internet for an erudite quote from Beckett! ;-)

 

Silence would be lovely right now as it happens! A three-man team (tree fellers, that good old Irish joke) is currently taking down an absolutely enormous double-trunked horse chestnut tree that was found to be diseased and in danger of demolishing my neighbour's fence. I am in danger as well - of developing a splitting chain-saw headache any minute now.

 

Six hundred quid! Be very careful if you ever buy a house with protected trees in the garden, mine have cost me thousands over the years! But at least my wood-burning stove now has two more years of wood to go at, so every cloud................

 

Incidentally, I saw Waiting for Whatisname at the Octagon Theatre in Bolton some years ago and I wasn't impressed. I just found it boring and I suspect that its fans have a dose of the Emperor's New Clothes.

 

 

[CliveH]

I always felt it was something to be read - I never felt it would translate well to the stage - or TV/Film for that matter.

 

It is a book to make you think.

 

 

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CliveH - 2013-07-18 2:37 PM

 

I always felt it was something to be read - I never felt it would translate well to the stage - or TV/Film for that matter.

 

It is a book to make you think.

 

 

Eh? Waiting for Godot is a play. It's written by Samuel Beckett who is, amongst other things, a playwright! It wasn't written as a book and then translated, badly or otherwise, to the stage.

 

It was never written as a book, or intended to be a book as far as I'm aware, although it is possible to buy the script of the play in book form.

 

 

 

 

[CliveH]

I read the play as a book first at school and then later as it intrigued me and the college thespians put it on.

 

As a play it is boring - best summed up as each Act where nothing happens.

 

So taken as a whole - nothing happens - twice.

 

But read as the play with the directions that go with it - it makes a lot more sense.

 

Hence my comment - and in hindsight not that well put - that as a play - it reads better as a book.

 

As play you are reliant on the actors to deliver an interpretation - far better to let your own mind do that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dave225]

Am I anti American? I suppose so in a strange sort of way as I worked for American Companies more in my working life than none American ones. Maybe I got to see them at close quarters. But my point was that it is becoming clear that the US has 2 sets of rules, those that affect it from US Companies, and those that affect it from non US Companies and my point was that this being the policy of the so called bastion of international liberty and freedom, does seem a bit hypocritical. I see Barclays has just been issued with its 2nd huge fine by the US regulators, but not a single US bank has received any penalty, and please do not tell me they were not involved. When BP is being forced to pay Companies compensation that are located 200 miles away from the Gulf, and actually have shown no decrease in revenues, then one has to ask what is going on. Would it happen here? I bet you it would not if it concerned a US Company, the US will not even pay the London Congestion Charge yet say they are all for liberty and international law. ExxonMobil managed to get their fine cut to a mere $4billion for polluting the huge expanse of a natural wilderness. In the Gulf a large part of the escaped oil was absorbed naturally and only certain areas were actually affected but.............everyone within a million miles needs compensation.

 

As for the wild comments about the 2nd World War and what Hitler may have done or not, it should be noted that the US was very reluctant to get involved until the Japs hit them hard, after all IBM supplied computing cards for the Nazis to run the Holocaust Camps, nice bit of business. And even when they did, every piece of aid they gave us was paid for by the UK in excess of its value. Lord Halifax was 'forced' to hand over our total gold reserves to the Yanks in exchange for a few very old and rusty warships. What a bargain, and how many overseas bases did we get' forced' to hand over?? US policy from the start was to ensure the destruction of the British Empire, especially in the Pacific so they could take over. If you feel I am wrong then read the records. How many years did it take for us to pay off our war debt, but the Germans had their's written off by the Yanks as they were scared of the loss of markets. The Germans actually received money after the War while we were starving.

 

So, please do not try to tell us that the Yanks are full of milk and human kindness. They only do what is best for them, which is something maybe we should consider ourselves.

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Dave225 - 2013-07-18 8:42 PM

 

Am I anti American? I suppose so in a strange sort of way as I worked for American Companies more in my working life than none American ones. Maybe I got to see them at close quarters. But my point was that it is becoming clear that the US has 2 sets of rules, those that affect it from US Companies, and those that affect it from non US Companies and my point was that this being the policy of the so called bastion of international liberty and freedom, does seem a bit hypocritical. I see Barclays has just been issued with its 2nd huge fine by the US regulators, but not a single US bank has received any penalty, and please do not tell me they were not involved. When BP is being forced to pay Companies compensation that are located 200 miles away from the Gulf, and actually have shown no decrease in revenues, then one has to ask what is going on. Would it happen here? I bet you it would not if it concerned a US Company, the US will not even pay the London Congestion Charge yet say they are all for liberty and international law. ExxonMobil managed to get their fine cut to a mere $4billion for polluting the huge expanse of a natural wilderness. In the Gulf a large part of the escaped oil was absorbed naturally and only certain areas were actually affected but.............everyone within a million miles needs compensation.

 

As for the wild comments about the 2nd World War and what Hitler may have done or not, it should be noted that the US was very reluctant to get involved until the Japs hit them hard, after all IBM supplied computing cards for the Nazis to run the Holocaust Camps, nice bit of business. And even when they did, every piece of aid they gave us was paid for by the UK in excess of its value. Lord Halifax was 'forced' to hand over our total gold reserves to the Yanks in exchange for a few very old and rusty warships. What a bargain, and how many overseas bases did we get' forced' to hand over?? US policy from the start was to ensure the destruction of the British Empire, especially in the Pacific so they could take over. If you feel I am wrong then read the records. How many years did it take for us to pay off our war debt, but the Germans had their's written off by the Yanks as they were scared of the loss of markets. The Germans actually received money after the War while we were starving.

 

So, please do not try to tell us that the Yanks are full of milk and human kindness. They only do what is best for them, which is something maybe we should consider ourselves.

 

Hear hear B-)

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Dave225 - 2013-07-18 8:42 PM

 

Am I anti American? I suppose so in a strange sort of way as I worked for American Companies more in my working life than none American ones. Maybe I got to see them at close quarters. But my point was that it is becoming clear that the US has 2 sets of rules, those that affect it from US Companies, and those that affect it from non US Companies and my point was that this being the policy of the so called bastion of international liberty and freedom, does seem a bit hypocritical. I see Barclays has just been issued with its 2nd huge fine by the US regulators, but not a single US bank has received any penalty, and please do not tell me they were not involved. When BP is being forced to pay Companies compensation that are located 200 miles away from the Gulf, and actually have shown no decrease in revenues, then one has to ask what is going on. Would it happen here? I bet you it would not if it concerned a US Company, the US will not even pay the London Congestion Charge yet say they are all for liberty and international law. ExxonMobil managed to get their fine cut to a mere $4billion for polluting the huge expanse of a natural wilderness. In the Gulf a large part of the escaped oil was absorbed naturally and only certain areas were actually affected but.............everyone within a million miles needs compensation.

 

As for the wild comments about the 2nd World War and what Hitler may have done or not, it should be noted that the US was very reluctant to get involved until the Japs hit them hard, after all IBM supplied computing cards for the Nazis to run the Holocaust Camps, nice bit of business. And even when they did, every piece of aid they gave us was paid for by the UK in excess of its value. Lord Halifax was 'forced' to hand over our total gold reserves to the Yanks in exchange for a few very old and rusty warships. What a bargain, and how many overseas bases did we get' forced' to hand over?? US policy from the start was to ensure the destruction of the British Empire, especially in the Pacific so they could take over. If you feel I am wrong then read the records. How many years did it take for us to pay off our war debt, but the Germans had their's written off by the Yanks as they were scared of the loss of markets. The Germans actually received money after the War while we were starving.

 

So, please do not try to tell us that the Yanks are full of milk and human kindness. They only do what is best for them, which is something maybe we should consider ourselves.

 

For God's sake man, every country does what's best for itself but some like the US also make a huge contribution to the welfare of other countries. Try Googling theatres of war that the US has been involved in in the last thirty years. Most of them have had no advantage to the Americans, such as Bosnia, Sierra Leone, East Timor. Many of their actions were purely humanitarian with no material advantage to them. I can just see the Russians doing that!

 

But your posts on the US are just like your posts on the royal family, filled with sneering and hateful invective, such as:

 

'...but then again when did Obama ever know what he was doing?'

 

'As the Americans will tell you there is only one form of justice, that which benefits the US.'

 

You come across as a typical hate-filled and envious leftie, jealous of what must be the world's greatest superpower. A country that has opened its doors to the poor and dispossessed from all over the world. A country that separates religion from the state and above all, despite your ludicrous conspiracy theories, a country where the rule of law prevails over all else.

 

But like all the people with an enormous anti-US chip on their shoulder, you conveniently ignore one thing. Which is the country that people from all over the world want to emigrate to? Russia, China, India, or any of the lovely socialist paradises? No, it's the good ol' US of A!

 

Many of the people slagging off the US would still give their right hand for a Green Card! Why is that I wonder?

 

 

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Had Enough - 2013-07-18 11:35 PM

 

Many of the people slagging off the US would still give their right hand for a Green Card! Why is that I wonder?

 

 

Not me 8-)..............been there.............and to be frank, Frank ;-).............they are some what overrated *-).............the first Iraq war fair does we went in because a sovereign state had been invaded ;-).................the fact that that state had a lot of oil made not one jot of difference I suspect (lol) (lol).............the second Iraq war was totally illegal to most of the right thinking world *-)....................

 

 

WMD...........my a***e.............Words of Mass Deception...... more like >:-).......and that war is what got us where we are today *-)................Beware the clever lawyer who thinks he's god 8-)

[Robinhood]

CliveH - 2013-07-18 1:54 PM

 

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 12:54 PM

 

Apart from which, a man who's never heard of Godot! The mind boggles!

 

 

 

Is that what all this is Frank - simply filling a void "to hold the terrible silence at bay"

 

 

....in the context of this (and other Chatterbox debates) a more apposite quote to choose might have been Estragon's

 

"We are all born mad. Some remain so"