Another parasite

[Guest Peter James]

Although we live in an age of austerity where wages don’t keep pace with inflation and where living standards are being eroded the tax-payers have spent, without being consulted, more than £1,000,000 refurbishing the 21 room accommodation of a the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. For some reason this couple are entitled, unlike others, to what the government calls a ‘spare room subsidy’. We live in a society where thanks to a largely sycophantic media the feudal anachronism that is the Royal Family and their privileged position is seldom, if ever, subjected to critical analysis. No politican will dare to echo the words of Kier Hardy, the first independent Labour MP, on the birth of the future right wing, abdicating Edward VIII in June 1894.

 

“From his childhood onwards this boy will be surrounded by sycophants and flatterers by the score and will be taught to believe himself as of a superior creation. A line will be drawn between him and the people whom he is to be called upon some day to reign over …. and the end of it all will be that the country will be called upon to pay the bill.”

[Guest Had Enough]

Oh God, here he goes again! The vast amount of the bill was money that would have had to be spent anyway on essential repairs and removing asbestos.

 

I wonder how much your mates the presidents of the former communist countries spent on their palaces?

 

Ceau?escu had a lovely one as I remember, as did Saddam Hussein (he had a dozen) and many more I could name you.

 

The difference of course is that our monarchy is loved by the vast majority of the nation, whereas these 'socialists' were shot or strung up by a populace that loathed them!

 

Give it a rest will you? We all know you have a pathological hatred of the monarchy. A hatred that even prevents you from talking about them in anything but the most hateful and insulting terms.

 

Boring, boring boring!

 

 

[Guest Peter James]

So the only alternative you can see to an Unelected Head of State is a Nicolae Ceauescu or Saddam Hussein. But weren't they also Unelected?

 

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 2:24 PM

our monarchy is loved by the vast majority of the nation

So why don't you want an election to prove it?

[CliveH]

Well Australians can have that vote - but we in the UK cannot as we are the Constitutional Monarchy.

 

And so far Australians and most of The Commonwealth value its connection to the Constitutional Monach.

 

If you do not like it ................................... Plenty of other countries to live in.

 

Many in Europe - just a few miles from our coast.

 

And you have a right to live in an EU country.

 

Just pick one that has already had its Revolution (lol) (lol) (lol)

[Guest Had Enough]

Peter James - 2013-07-18 2:35 PM

 

So the only alternative you can see to an Unelected head of state is a Nicolae Ceau?escu or Saddam Hussein who were also Unelected.

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 2:24 PM

our monarchy is loved by the vast majority of the nation

So why don't you want an election to prove it?

 

I've tried to explain this to you before, but here goes again!

 

The monarchy isn't a government. It's an accepted and well-loved British institution that doesn't get elected every few years.

 

Every political party that supports the monarchy is voted into office, so by voting for Labour, Lib Dems or Tories you are casting your vote for the monarchy.

 

Every opinion poll taken since as long as I can remember has been overwhelmingly in favour of keeping the monarchy, and that's what really winds you up isn't it?

 

There are times when I wish that we did have a separate election on retaining the monarchy, just so it would shut you up once and for all. But it would be an even bigger waste of money than you claim is being spent on our future king's house. And that's because everyone with half a brain knows what the outcome will be.

 

Give it a rest please! Or go and live in some bloody socialist republic. You could spend weeks looking at all the amazing presidential palaces that they all seem to have.

 

 

 

 

[Tracker]

Peter James - 2013-07-18 1:59 PM

and the end of it all will be that the country will be called upon to pay the bill.

 

By which time, with any luck, you ungrateful mob of heathens North of the border will be independent of the rest of us who have subsidised your cosy lifestyle for far too long.

 

Then when you Scots pay your own way in the real world you can decide where the money is spent and I wonder if the the fishy duo of Salmond and Sturgeon will be happy to give you the freedom to opt out of anything you don't like paying for - yeah of course they will - they are after all in favour of democracy - as long as it suits them!!

[Dave225]

Tracker - 2013-07-18 5:18 PM

 

Peter James - 2013-07-18 1:59 PM

and the end of it all will be that the country will be called upon to pay the bill.

 

By which time, with any luck, you ungrateful mob of heathens North of the border will be independent of the rest of us who have subsidised your cosy lifestyle for far too long.

 

Then when you Scots pay your own way in the real world you can decide where the money is spent and I wonder if the the fishy duo of Salmond and Sturgeon will be happy to give you the freedom to opt out of anything you don't like paying for - yeah of course they will - they are after all in favour of democracy - as long as it suits them!!

 

Oh Dear, here we go again. The Post was a dig at the Monarchy so what the heck has that to do with us??? The Royals are of English/German extraction not Scots. Lizzie can never be Queen of Scotland and her son will never ever be Prince of Scotland. Annie/fanny keeps coming up here for freebies but she is not really liked that much except by the sycophants. Big Eck has actually said he would like to keep Queenie as head of state if we do go our own way, but he has not put that to the population at large as yet. As for paying our own way, I suspect we have done so for many many years in more than just cash, maybe you should have a look at the War Memorials dotted around the country.

 

Although i started a few years back not wanting independence, However I regret that as a result of the English doing their usual whingeing, I am being swayed towards it, at least then we would not constantly be getting told how well off we are. Maybe come here and have a look and then decide. Higher poverty, lower life spans, lower incomes, well it must be all good then. We could never improve on that ourselves could we? Of course half a million English have done just that, and stayed because they felt it was better than England. So, what do they know. Of course many sold houses at high prices and bought cheaper here so became the 'white settlers'. Did not always do themselves favours but we tolerate them.

 

Of course England has to recognise that if it does indeed lose about 30% of its total land mass, plus a big share of its natural resources, plus be the biggest magnet for all the unwashed of Europe, it will be the most desirable place to live on earth. The Romanians and Bulgarians already have figured that one out. Good luck.

 

As Scotland will never have another monarch, unless we choose a new one, then the issue is nothing really to do with us. If we go independent we will have a country leader whether that be PM/FM or president. I doubt that is of great importance to the majority of people but at least it would mean you alone will be paying for the Royal 'brood'. I suspect 'King Charles' will be an expensive commodity. If it takes 7 eggs to make his boiled egg breakfast and a valet to put the toothpaste on his brush, plus his other 150 staff, i do wonder what will be required if he is actually called on to do some work.

[Tracker]

Dave225 - 2013-07-18 8:19 PM

 

Although i started a few years back not wanting independence, However I regret that as a result of the English doing their usual whingeing

 

.

 

Really? You have a very short memory - remind us again just who it was who started whingeing with this thread?

 

Conversely I started not wanting to see the UK break up, but if your attitude is typical of the rest of the whingeing Jocks I too have changed my mind and I look forward to see how Scotland would manage alone in the real world?

 

Compare perhaps to what happened to Eire when they broke away from the union?

 

It was only EU money (courtesy of the UK and Germany mainly) that revitalised Ireland - and due to so much mis management by too many 'socialist' governements in Europe there will be precious little of that about for the likes of Scotland in the future - assuming that is that the EU wants Scotland

[Dave225]

Tracker - 2013-07-18 8:37 PM

 

Dave225 - 2013-07-18 8:19 PM

 

Although i started a few years back not wanting independence, However I regret that as a result of the English doing their usual whingeing

 

.

 

Really? You have a very short memory - remind us again just who it was who started whingeing with this thread?

 

Conversely I started not wanting to see the UK break up, but if your attitude is typical of the rest of the whingeing Jocks I too have changed my mind and I look forward to see how Scotland would manage alone in the real world?

 

Compare perhaps to what happened to Eire when they broke away from the union?

 

It was only EU money (courtesy of the UK and Germany mainly) that revitalised Ireland - and due to so much mis management by too many 'socialist' governements in Europe there will be precious little of that about for the likes of Scotland in the future - assuming that is that the EU wants Scotland

 

No, it is you. If you did look back you will see that in umpteen threads I stated my view was that we should remain in the UK. However, it is now starting to come out that we may have a poisoned choice. We may decide to split off and as you say may end up as a basket case, but the other thing that is coming out is that if we stay, we will be punished extensively for our 'sins'. Do we really wish to have the English 'crowing' for ever about how they 'saved us'? I doubt it, we would rather live in purgatory than that. After all it could only be the English who could compare Andy Murray's win at Wimbledon not being as important as England winning the World Cup in 1966. Can someone please explain to me the connection??

 

Unfortunately, polticians from either side have neither the wit nor the desire to actually sit down and discuss the main issues and then, put them to the people on both sides so they could be absolutely clear of the consequences of any action. Of course I do accept that some are unknown as no one knows what reactions will be from many sources, but there are enough to look at.

 

However, I do not doubt that if wanted, Scotland will be a EU country. The EU is not stupid enough to disown a big source of natural resources., or political allies. There will be negotiations but if Croatia is in, then we can be. We might not like all of it but then again, that is life. Of course where we lead the Welsh may follow and then what? The 'English Empire' becomes even smaller and more isolated.

 

No, we should discuss the issues sensibly and agree on ways and means to resolve the differences. Unfortunately Blair opened Pandora's Box in the interest of self interest and as they say, the rest is history.

[Tracker]

Dave225 - 2013-07-18 9:14 PM

we should discuss the issues sensibly and agree on ways and means to resolve the differences. Unfortunately Blair opened Pandora's Box in the interest of self interest and as they say, the rest is history.

 

Well that's socialism for you!

 

But I do agree that the full economic and social effects and implications of partition on all parties need to be out in the open before anyone can vote logically

 

I also think that if Scotland wants to be truly independent that that includes things like their own currency not linked to the GBP, paying the full cost of their own navy, air force, customs, border protection, pensions, benefits, health service and everything else that every other sovereign nation has to pay for itself.

 

 

[Guest peter]

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 2:43 PM

 

Peter James - 2013-07-18 2:35 PM

 

So the only alternative you can see to an Unelected head of state is a Nicolae Ceau?escu or Saddam Hussein who were also Unelected.

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 2:24 PM

our monarchy is loved by the vast majority of the nation

So why don't you want an election to prove it?

 

I've tried to explain this to you before, but here goes again!

 

The monarchy isn't a government. It's an accepted and well-loved British institution that doesn't get elected every few years.

 

Every political party that supports the monarchy is voted into office, so by voting for Labour, Lib Dems or Tories you are casting your vote for the monarchy.

 

Every opinion poll taken since as long as I can remember has been overwhelmingly in favour of keeping the monarchy, and that's what really winds you up isn't it?

 

There are times when I wish that we did have a separate election on retaining the monarchy, just so it would shut you up once and for all. But it would be an even bigger waste of money than you claim is being spent on our future king's house. And that's because everyone with half a brain knows what the outcome will be.

 

Give it a rest please! Or go and live in some bloody socialist republic. You could spend weeks looking at all the amazing presidential palaces that they all seem to have.

 

 

 

I think it's you who needs to shut up Had Enough. Peter is perfectly entitled to his opinion and express it as he sees fit.

What a bloody nerve you have. Who do you think you are?.

If you don't like his view then express your own contrary view without trying to bully another forum member into either accepting your view as the only valid one or to "shut up". Your quite beyond the pale in your arrogance.

[Guest Had Enough]

peter - 2013-07-18 10:00 PM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 2:43 PM

 

Peter James - 2013-07-18 2:35 PM

 

So the only alternative you can see to an Unelected head of state is a Nicolae Ceau?escu or Saddam Hussein who were also Unelected.

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 2:24 PM

our monarchy is loved by the vast majority of the nation

So why don't you want an election to prove it?

 

I've tried to explain this to you before, but here goes again!

 

The monarchy isn't a government. It's an accepted and well-loved British institution that doesn't get elected every few years.

 

Every political party that supports the monarchy is voted into office, so by voting for Labour, Lib Dems or Tories you are casting your vote for the monarchy.

 

Every opinion poll taken since as long as I can remember has been overwhelmingly in favour of keeping the monarchy, and that's what really winds you up isn't it?

 

There are times when I wish that we did have a separate election on retaining the monarchy, just so it would shut you up once and for all. But it would be an even bigger waste of money than you claim is being spent on our future king's house. And that's because everyone with half a brain knows what the outcome will be.

 

Give it a rest please! Or go and live in some bloody socialist republic. You could spend weeks looking at all the amazing presidential palaces that they all seem to have.

 

 

 

I think it's you who needs to shut up Had Enough. Peter is perfectly entitled to his opinion and express it as he sees fit.

What a bloody nerve you have. Who do you think you are?.

If you don't like his view then express your own contrary view without trying to bully another forum member into either accepting your view as the only valid one or to "shut up". Your quite beyond the pale in your arrogance.

 

What a laugh coming from you, the rudest man on this forum! I'm entitled to my opinion as well and my opinion is that I'm sick to death of these lefties constantly plugging their bigoted views.

 

It wouldn't be so bad if they could do it using moderate language but they can't talk about the monarchy without resorting to the language of the gutter.

 

It's always words 'parasites' and then we have the idiot talking about Prince Charles and his 150 valets and his toothpaste being squeezed, which is a myth. And as for Prince Charles getting a job he probably works harder than anyone on here!

 

Their vile hatred is appalling. So to you I say, bugger off and I shall continue to challenge their nasty invective.

 

If these people are typical of Scotland the sooner we get rid of the whole bloody country the better. Let them all stew in their socialist juice. They'll be back in months holding out the begging bowl again!

 

 

[Syd]

Cooo hasn't this warm weather got people onto short fuses.

 

I'm alarmed

[Guest peter]

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 10:27 PM

 

peter - 2013-07-18 10:00 PM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 2:43 PM

 

Peter James - 2013-07-18 2:35 PM

 

So the only alternative you can see to an Unelected head of state is a Nicolae Ceau?escu or Saddam Hussein who were also Unelected.

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 2:24 PM

our monarchy is loved by the vast majority of the nation

So why don't you want an election to prove it?

 

I've tried to explain this to you before, but here goes again!

 

The monarchy isn't a government. It's an accepted and well-loved British institution that doesn't get elected every few years.

 

Every political party that supports the monarchy is voted into office, so by voting for Labour, Lib Dems or Tories you are casting your vote for the monarchy.

 

Every opinion poll taken since as long as I can remember has been overwhelmingly in favour of keeping the monarchy, and that's what really winds you up isn't it?

 

There are times when I wish that we did have a separate election on retaining the monarchy, just so it would shut you up once and for all. But it would be an even bigger waste of money than you claim is being spent on our future king's house. And that's because everyone with half a brain knows what the outcome will be.

 

Give it a rest please! Or go and live in some bloody socialist republic. You could spend weeks looking at all the amazing presidential palaces that they all seem to have.

 

 

 

I think it's you who needs to shut up Had Enough. Peter is perfectly entitled to his opinion and express it as he sees fit.

What a bloody nerve you have. Who do you think you are?.

If you don't like his view then express your own contrary view without trying to bully another forum member into either accepting your view as the only valid one or to "shut up". Your quite beyond the pale in your arrogance.

 

What a laugh coming from you, the rudest man on this forum! I'm entitled to my opinion as well and my opinion is that I'm sick to death of these lefties constantly plugging their bigoted views.

 

It wouldn't be so bad if they could do it using moderate language but they can't talk about the monarchy without resorting to the language of the gutter.

 

It's always words 'parasites' and then we have the idiot talking about Prince Charles and his 150 valets and his toothpaste being squeezed, which is a myth. And as for Prince Charles getting a job he probably works harder than anyone on here!

 

Their vile hatred is appalling. So to you I say, bugger off and I shall continue to challenge their nasty invective.

 

If these people are typical of Scotland the sooner we get rid of the whole bloody country the better. Let them all stew in their socialist juice. They'll be back in months holding out the begging bowl again!

 

I see myself as the second rudest man on this forum, after yourself. You obviously cannot have a rational debate on any subject unless the contributors all agree with your point of view. If they don't you either tell them to "shut up" or to "bugger off". If you have to resort to this kind of behaviour then you have lost all credibility as a rational person and as a result the validity of your argument will be vastly diminished.

[Guest Had Enough]

peter - 2013-07-18 11:02 PM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 10:27 PM

 

peter - 2013-07-18 10:00 PM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 2:43 PM

 

Peter James - 2013-07-18 2:35 PM

 

So the only alternative you can see to an Unelected head of state is a Nicolae Ceau?escu or Saddam Hussein who were also Unelected.

Had Enough - 2013-07-18 2:24 PM

our monarchy is loved by the vast majority of the nation

So why don't you want an election to prove it?

 

I've tried to explain this to you before, but here goes again!

 

The monarchy isn't a government. It's an accepted and well-loved British institution that doesn't get elected every few years.

 

Every political party that supports the monarchy is voted into office, so by voting for Labour, Lib Dems or Tories you are casting your vote for the monarchy.

 

Every opinion poll taken since as long as I can remember has been overwhelmingly in favour of keeping the monarchy, and that's what really winds you up isn't it?

 

There are times when I wish that we did have a separate election on retaining the monarchy, just so it would shut you up once and for all. But it would be an even bigger waste of money than you claim is being spent on our future king's house. And that's because everyone with half a brain knows what the outcome will be.

 

Give it a rest please! Or go and live in some bloody socialist republic. You could spend weeks looking at all the amazing presidential palaces that they all seem to have.

 

 

 

I think it's you who needs to shut up Had Enough. Peter is perfectly entitled to his opinion and express it as he sees fit.

What a bloody nerve you have. Who do you think you are?.

If you don't like his view then express your own contrary view without trying to bully another forum member into either accepting your view as the only valid one or to "shut up". Your quite beyond the pale in your arrogance.

 

What a laugh coming from you, the rudest man on this forum! I'm entitled to my opinion as well and my opinion is that I'm sick to death of these lefties constantly plugging their bigoted views.

 

It wouldn't be so bad if they could do it using moderate language but they can't talk about the monarchy without resorting to the language of the gutter.

 

It's always words 'parasites' and then we have the idiot talking about Prince Charles and his 150 valets and his toothpaste being squeezed, which is a myth. And as for Prince Charles getting a job he probably works harder than anyone on here!

 

Their vile hatred is appalling. So to you I say, bugger off and I shall continue to challenge their nasty invective.

 

If these people are typical of Scotland the sooner we get rid of the whole bloody country the better. Let them all stew in their socialist juice. They'll be back in months holding out the begging bowl again!

 

I see myself as the second rudest man on this forum, after yourself. You obviously cannot have a rational debate on any subject unless the contributors all agree with your point of view. If they don't you either tell them to "shut up" or to "bugger off". If you have to resort to this kind of behaviour then you have lost all credibility as a rational person and as a result the validity of your argument will be vastly diminished.

 

You really are taking the p*ss aren't you? Your main contribution to this forum seems to be to drop in and make some nasty little one-line comment to all and sundry.

 

Of course others are entitled to their views, where I have I ever denied that? But I'm entitled to refute them and most of all criticise them for expressing their views in the typical sneering and nasty way that only the left and republicans seem to specialise in!

 

 

 

 

[Guest peter]

That's as maybe. But I can express my view in one line, as you state. Whereas you have to go into a diatribe and actually achieve nothing of any note. Apart from abusing your fellow contributors.

[Guest Peter James]

CliveH - 2013-07-18 2:42 PM

 

Well Australians can have that vote - but we in the UK cannot as we are the Constitutional Monarchy.

 

And so far Australians and most of The Commonwealth value its connection to the Constitutional Monach.

 

If you do not like it ................................... Plenty of other countries to live in.

 

Many in Europe - just a few miles from our coast.

 

And you have a right to live in an EU country.

 

Just pick one that has already had its Revolution (lol) (lol) (lol)

 

The Australians don't pay for the Monarchy. As the American said, 'the thing we like most about your Royal Family is that they are yours and not ours'

 

To suggest that if you don't like an unelected Head of State forced on to you then you should move somewhere else is the most puerile argument I have heard.

 

Out to enjoy the sunshine now on Southport Beach

[Guest Had Enough]

Peter James - 2013-07-19 6:43 AM

 

 

The Australians don't pay for the Monarchy. As the American said, 'the thing we like most about your Royal Family is that they are yours and not ours'

 

 

An American said it, so it must be true! It's odd that the biggest viewing figures for any major royal event come from the USA. Most Americans love our royal family and its traditions.

 

But is this the America that pays every ex-president a salary and enormous office expenses for the rest of his life? And continues to provide expensive security arrangements for them as well?

 

Now I happen to think that it's right that they do so. But don't think that having a president as head of state is better value than our queen!

 

The finest palaces in the world seem to be occupied by socialist heads of republics!

 

 

[Guest Had Enough]

peter - 2013-07-18 11:59 PM

 

That's as maybe. But I can express my view in one line, as you state. Whereas you have to go into a diatribe and actually achieve nothing of any note. Apart from abusing your fellow contributors.

 

Really, that was two lines and the previous one was six! And calling a baby about to be born a parasite? Yes, you're real gentlemen you republicans!

[Guest Peter James]

Had Enough - 2013-07-19 8:32 AM

 

Peter James - 2013-07-19 6:43 AM

 

 

The Australians don't pay for the Monarchy. As the American said, 'the thing we like most about your Royal Family is that they are yours and not ours'

 

 

An American said it, so it must be true! It's odd that the biggest viewing figures for any major royal event come from the USA. Most Americans love our royal family and its traditions.

 

But is this the America that pays every ex-president a salary and enormous office expenses for the rest of his life? And continues to provide expensive security arrangements for them as well?

 

Now I happen to think that it's right that they do so. But don't think that having a president as head of state is better value than our queen!

 

The finest palaces in the world seem to be occupied by socialist heads of republics!

 

 

Viewers are not necessarily supporters.

Apparently half a million people lined the streets of London to see Ronnie Krays funeral cortege, but that doesn't prove they were his supporters does it?

The only way to find out the level of support is to have an election.

Why do you think the Windsors are so determined to avoid an election?

[Guest Peter James]

Had Enough - 2013-07-19 8:35 AM

 

Yes, you're real gentlemen you republicans!

 

To tell someone who was born in Britain, has all their family and friends in Britain, that they should go and live in another country if they don't want a Head of State forced on them without an election isn't very nice is it?

I don't know how you can say that and then go on to accuse others of being nasty.

[Guest Peter James]

Tracker - 2013-07-18 9:34 PM

 

, paying the full cost of their own navy, air force, customs, border protection, pensions, benefits, health service and everything else that every other sovereign nation has to pay for itself.

 

 

actually they don't. Who pays for the defence of tax havens like Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Channel Islands etc which are self governing?

[Tracker]

Peter James - 2013-07-19 8:47 AM

To tell someone who was born in Britain, has all their family and friends in Britain, that they should go and live in another country if they don't want a Head of State forced on them without an election isn't very nice is it?

.

 

Actually you may well find that the Monarchy was here long before you were so it was not forced upon you - you were forced upon it!

Nationality is not like Tesco where you pick and mix the bits you like and leave the bits you don't like - although I don't think the SNP have grasped that bit yet!

Anyone who does not like one particular bit of the UK constitution is free to do one of several things moan about it, stand for parliament and work to getting it changed, or leave and find a better place to live - if there is a country that has nothing to dislike - try Utopia or Camelot!

[Guest Had Enough]

The title of this thread tells us everything we need to know about Peter James and the sort of man he is. He is of course referring to a baby that will have no choice in its chosen path of life but will, nevertheless, accept it and the restrictions and lifetime of duty it demands. But to him, this child is just a parasite.

 

[Tracker]

Regardless of their views everyone has the right to fully and freely express their own opinions as long as they do so without insulting or being rude to others.

 

Everyone else has the right to counter any stated point of view but that too should be done without recourse to insults just because the writer disagrees with the topic raised.

 

And that, as I see it, is what free speech is really about.

 

Trouble is, in the real world, once the insults start flying nobody wants to back down and sometimes a sense of humour and and a sense of proportion are the first casualties.