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...if you mean the Caravan Club's Crystal Palace site, then the bad news is that this is within the LEZ.

 

(you caught me with the edit ;-) )

 

Unless you are prepared to pay the daily charge of £100, then there are few other options open to you (theoretically, you could arrange to have a particle filter fitted, assessed and become compliant, but in most practical terms, this is not really an option).

 

If you wish to visit London, a site outside the LEZ is really the only option.

 

 

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This was a real crap piece of legislation for those living in the LEZ with a non compliant van, car etc. They should have been given automatic dispensation until their old vehicle was either scrapped or sold. I think they can thank Ken Livingstone in his chauffeured car for that.

 

Dave

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nowtelse2do - 2013-07-23 4:18 PM

 

This was a real crap piece of legislation for those living in the LEZ with a non compliant van, car etc.

 

Dave

 

Big money spinner for London.

 

Since the wealthy Arab boys started upsetting the Chelsea set screeching up and down the streets in their Supercars, TFL smelt loadsa money! Whats a hundred quid a day to any of these guys with millions burning a hole in their pocket?

 

For us lesser mortals needing to park up if friends/family live in this stupid LEZ, all is not lost;

 

https://www.parkatmyhouse.com/

 

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Bulletguy - 2013-07-23 4:53 PM

 

nowtelse2do - 2013-07-23 4:18 PM

 

This was a real crap piece of legislation for those living in the LEZ with a non compliant van, car etc.

 

Dave

 

Big money spinner for London.

 

Since the wealthy Arab boys started upsetting the Chelsea set screeching up and down the streets in their Supercars, TFL smelt loadsa money! Whats a hundred quid a day to any of these guys with millions burning a hole in their pocket?

 

For us lesser mortals needing to park up if friends/family live in this stupid LEZ, all is not lost;

 

https://www.parkatmyhouse.com/

 

Our van is non compliant too. Yes, it's a pain, but if you understand the reasons it was introduced, it was about complying with an EU directive about air quality (who would have thought it!) and fines that the EU impose if the standards aren't met. I thought it only applied to vans and HGV's not cars?

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We can thoroughly recommend the site at Picketts Lock Edmonton which is not inside the LEZ and travel into central London only 40 minutes. site is CCC listed and run by local authority.

We going there again in next few weeks, £19 per night in high season inc electric

Problem solved?

Bob

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Internationally the Group M1 vehicles.classification includes passenger cars motorcaravans, hearses and ambulances but TFL in their wisdom while allowing diesel diesel cars freedom to circulate but not motorcaravans, ambulaces and hearses making them subject to a rolling update to cleaner engines

 

Bearing in mind that publically owned ambulances in particular and hearses tend to be in daily use wear out and are replaced . However the voluntary sector vehicles tend like motorcravans to last far longer and in any case represent a very small fraction of the total M1 fleet and therefore pollution emitted. This makes it exceedingly difficult to understand the logic behind the decision unless one takes into account the number of votes held by owners of diesel cars.

 

It was one thing I expected Boris to change. Bloody politics.

 

In any case my definition of a city is a piece of wrecked countryside.

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Minicamper - 2013-07-23 5:54 PM

 

Our van is non compliant too. Yes, it's a pain, but if you understand the reasons it was introduced, it was about complying with an EU directive about air quality (who would have thought it!) and fines that the EU impose if the standards aren't met. I thought it only applied to vans and HGV's not cars?

 

 

Minicamper

 

If that really was the case, perhaps someone might be able to explain why my car (Focus 1.8 Petrol) is acceptable in the LEZ and my van (2.5Tdi) isn't.........despite my car giving a higher emission reading than the van engine!

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Minicamper - 2013-07-23 6:54 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2013-07-23 4:53 PM

 

nowtelse2do - 2013-07-23 4:18 PM

 

This was a real crap piece of legislation for those living in the LEZ with a non compliant van, car etc.

 

Dave

 

Big money spinner for London.

 

Since the wealthy Arab boys started upsetting the Chelsea set screeching up and down the streets in their Supercars, TFL smelt loadsa money! Whats a hundred quid a day to any of these guys with millions burning a hole in their pocket?

 

For us lesser mortals needing to park up if friends/family live in this stupid LEZ, all is not lost;

 

https://www.parkatmyhouse.com/

 

Our van is non compliant too. Yes, it's a pain, but if you understand the reasons it was introduced, it was about complying with an EU directive about air quality (who would have thought it!) and fines that the EU impose if the standards aren't met. I thought it only applied to vans and HGV's not cars?

 

 

 

 

Don't believe all you read in the rabid Daily Wail.

 

The LEZ has got nothing to do with any EU directive at all. It is a purely UK-organised (London authority) measure.

 

As a matter of general principle, might I suggest that you don't ever believe ANYTHING you read in the rabid Daily Wail.

 

 

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Paul, I think the particles from a diesel engine exhaust are more harmful than petrol, has I've never had my gob around either of them, I wouldn't know.

 

Not many moons ago, them with all the knowledge were saying diesel engines were a lot less harmful than petrol engines.

 

George, thats one of the best descriptions of a city I've ever heard :-D

 

Dave

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I've not been to London since Red Ken brought in the congestion charge ;-)...................or inside the M25 since the LEZ went live B-) .................the Romanian pick pockets are welcome to the place >:-)
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pelmetman - 2013-07-23 9:23 PM

 

I've not been to London since Red Ken brought in the congestion charge ;-)...................or inside the M25 since the LEZ went live B-) .................the Romanian pick pockets are welcome to the place >:-)

 

I think it was designed to keep the riff raff out, like you and me.....sorry Mike...nearly left you out :D

 

Dave

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THE SHEPHERD - 2013-07-23 8:37 PM

 

Many thanks to all, I did start with the reg number, and then phoned them up as I understood if I was under 3.5 and a motor home I would be exempt, not a chance, still onwards and upwards as suggested their are alternatives.TS

 

As an 'ex' Londoner my alternative was to move as far away as possible, and i have never regretted it, it's not full of 'Real' Londoners any more anyway, as was said before it's the playground of rich arabs and the 'like'. Hope there is another 'Great Fire' and the place burns to the ground. especially the Palace of Westmintster and all in it. (rant over !)

A stupid unneccessary law, just a simple 7.5 tonne weight limit throughout the whole of central London within the M25 would have done the job for next to no-cost and inconvenience to Citizens. Ray

 

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Rayjsj - 2013-07-23 10:25 PM

 

A stupid unneccessary law, just a simple 7.5 tonne weight limit throughout the whole of central London within the M25 would have done the job for next to no-cost and inconvenience to Citizens. Ray

 

Just for argument sake Ray, an artic's payload is about 28 ton, the payload for a 7.5 ton truck is on average just less than 4 ton but lets call it 4 ton because some can carry that weight. So 7 - 7.5 t trucks would be needed to do the job of one artic.

 

Now that would be congestion + extra fuel + extra wages for extra drivers.......It quickly does add up 8-) ;-)

 

Dave

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Yes but a 44 tonne Artic (28 ?) has a far bigger diesel pumping out crap, and most British roads were not designed to take them. I would ban ALL large HGV's from anything but major trunk roads and all Town/city centres , for delivery ALL have to be transhipped onto smaller delivery vehicles 7.5 tonne and under. We NEED the extra jobs anyway.

 

And just make ALL 7.5 tonne vehicles be euro 5 compliant, job done. Ray

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Rayjsj - 2013-07-23 11:21 PM

 

Yes but a 44 tonne Artic (28 ?) has a far bigger diesel pumping out crap, and most British roads were not designed to take them. I would ban ALL large HGV's from anything but major trunk roads and all Town/city centres , for delivery ALL have to be transhipped onto smaller delivery vehicles 7.5 tonne and under. We NEED the extra jobs anyway.

 

And just make ALL 7.5 tonne vehicles be euro 5 compliant, job done. Ray

 

Not all are 44 tonne artics if they were then make that 8 x 7.5 tonne trucks to do the same job, like I said 'just for arguments sake' Now which home county are you going to level so as to build the infrastructure to do all the transhipment, you are going to need a lot of warehouse space. All trucks going into the LEZ are to my knowledge Euro 5 compliant, but I stand to be corrected. 1 x 7.5 tonne truck = 150bhp, 8 trucks = 1200bhp

1 artic = (on average) 420 - 460bhp.

 

I'm not arguing with you Ray I'm just trying to point out that it's not feasible. If the above were to happen then the price's in the shops would be astronomical, but that's OK because it's only the Londoners that would pay, or is it?

 

Dave

 

 

BHP = the power you hit a tree. Torque = how far the tree moves when you hit it.

 

 

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