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On reading one of the many CC magazines that pop through my door I spotted the following tour offering. Now before anyone starts I am not getting at the CC as I suspect they are merely passing on a tour arranged elsewhere but I am a little critical of the value of it compared to the price. I also would have hoped they might have done some groundwork on it. Maybe they did.

 

 

http://www.caravanclub.co.uk/planning-your-holiday/overseas-holiday-planning/tours/european-tours/gastronomy-in-spain

 

is the link if anyone is interested.

 

My points are that this tour equates to £83.70 per night for 2 people or 95 euros at current rates. Vilanova Park will offer you a pitch at that time of the year for an ACSI price of 16 euros so you are basically paying 79 euros per day for the tours/entertainment. Looking at these I see 1 restaurant meal and coach trip which I would accept as value for 79 euros, that is assuming it is a half decent restaurant as you can get good food in Spain at very reasonable prices, but the rest is mainly a couple of meals in the campsite restaurant and a trip to a winery and a local food producer. As for paella that is not the most expensive dish to make as we can make it ourselves quite easily for 20 euros for 2, and it does not look like the stodgy mess you see in large pans in the market. Subtracting the costs I think fair I guess you are paying over 700 euros for about 2 trips out and 3 on site meals, which to my mind seems a heck of a lot. Bluntly I could buy some very expensive meals for that amount of money. OK, you have company but we have managed to do that ourselves in most places.

 

I also note this price does not include any ferries, fuel costs, en route costs, insurance etc so the final bill will be significantly more.

 

Ok, some will state that you are getting expert local guides to assist you but even so, to me it seems very expensive. I may be a mean OAP but 900 euros is about 23% of my total costs for a 2 ½ month trip away inclusive of everything door to door, including a good meal out each week. Vilanova is a nice enough site but it is not that brilliant, plus it appears to me that it is not the site that is creating the bulk of the costs, unless the CC has negotiated a bargain rate twice the price of normal?? Plus do not think about taking children as the costs for the 3rd person are astronomical.

 

I think I will pass on the invitation thank you. Also on the same page of the magazine were some ‘holiday offers’ which appear to pretty much what you can get from the sites anyway. Many Camping Cheque sites offer 7 nights for 6 etc and again with ACSI you are paying between 12 and 16 euros a night all in.

 

I just get the impression that Brits are being taken for a ride yet again, or does laziness and apathy control the thinking?

 

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You missed this nice little 'earner' for them printed at the bottom of the page.....

 

Ferry crossings of your choice and Red Pennant holidayinsurance can be added to this package, if not a £25 administrationcharge will be applied. Minimum numbers may apply.

 

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I just get the impression that Brits are being taken for a ride yet again, or does laziness and apathy control the thinking?

 

Maybe just nervousness? Try reading some of the posts on the Overseas Touring section of the Caravan Club Forum. And the "Club" cashes in on the apprehensions of members who cannot imagine travelling outside the shelter of the Club.

 

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I posted about a c&cc tour to Normandy to enquire if it was good value and a lot of members replied that it was pretty expensive . So decided not to bother it does seem that although its a club you still pay "travel agent " type prices . Pp
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I find this "offer" incredibly expensive considering the cost of a Casa and ferry inclusive break via Brittany Ferries.

 

I have used Brittany Ferries before for holidays in a Casa in Northern Spain - admittedly some time ago now, but always felt that they represented excellent value. I have no connection with Brittany Ferries at all and i am a CC member.

 

If you look at the cost of what I think is typical accommodation I think most would agree that the cost of this CC package highlighted by Dave seems poor value indeed.

 

http://www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/holiday-search/Spain/cantabria/Potes/casas/ZS0222?fsid=114&priceDate=2013-07-28

 

And for those who have never been to "Green Spain" - The Picos de Europa in particular - seriously ! - it is a truly fantastic place.

 

 

 

 

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Others are of course free to do what they want, but I've never understood this herding, or ghetto instinct at all.

 

The whole damn point of having a MH is to go where YOU want to; not to be coralled, at massive expense.

If that's your preference, just book a package tour holiday to that same resort. You'll get ten times better value.

 

The CC seems to exist purely for the benefit of the CC, not for it's members at all.

 

Really, if you haven't got enough gumption to be able to get your van across the Channel and drive a bit on the "wrong side" of the road towards some sunshine without needing constant marshalling and the company of 20 other similarly unadventerous couples throughout, and daily group entertainment laid on, all at utterly stupidly excessive prices; I'm honestly not sure why you bought a motorhome.

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I share your scepticism. That is an incredibly high price and, I have to say, is in line with other "offers" I have experienced with the Caravan Club. For example, the cost of staying at the sites in their "Winter Escapes" brochure is (based on the four of those sites that we used) more expensive than booking direct with the sites themselves. Having been stung once by the CC, I would be very wary about booking anything through them again.
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The CC Staff actively encourage the more wary approach to European Travel. If a member requests information on the Club Forum, often a Staff member will post a reply pointing the enquirer to Sites which can be booked through the Club – at a cost. It’s just hard selling.

It takes the more experienced “wanderers” to come along and point out that trips can be done a lot more cheaply by travelling independently of the Club.

And I’d say that the same applies if you use a caravan. OK, so you can’t wild camp or use Aires, but caravanners don’t need the Club services either.

But there are an awful lot of apprehensive “beginners”, and the Club capitalizes on that.

Avoid!

 

 

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BGD - 2013-07-27 9:42 AM

 

Others are of course free to do what they want, but I've never understood this herding, or ghetto instinct at all.

 

The whole damn point of having a MH is to go where YOU want to; not to be coralled, at massive expense.

If that's your preference, just book a package tour holiday to that same resort. You'll get ten times better value.

 

The CC seems to exist purely for the benefit of the CC, not for it's members at all.

 

Really, if you haven't got enough gumption to be able to get your van across the Channel and drive a bit on the "wrong side" of the road towards some sunshine without needing constant marshalling and the company of 20 other similarly unadventerous couples throughout, and daily group entertainment laid on, all at utterly stupidly excessive prices; I'm honestly not sure why you bought a motorhome.

 

Herding and ghetto instinct? That is incredibly presumptuous and superior! Does it occur to you that some people aren't misanthropes and actually enjoy the company of others? And for an elderly couple for example, with a touring caravan, who may never have taken it across the Channel, these organised tours provide an easy introduction to foreign travel.

 

Whilst you are in the middle of nowhere in the evening, wild camping with just your wife and a book for company, for perhaps the tenth night on the run, they will be dining with new friends and enjoying the company of others, people with whom they may well strike up longer friendships.

 

You're obviously happy with your method of camping, good luck to you. But you really shouldn't denigrate those who prefer the company of like-minded people and who enjoy for instance, a tour of a local landmark accompanied by an expert who will take away the trouble of booking things separately and wandering around only half-informed.

 

 

 

 

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BGD - 2013-07-27 9:42 AM

 

The CC seems to exist purely for the benefit of the CC, not for it's members at all.

 

 

I'll answer various points separately to avoid long complex posts!

 

Perhaps you could expand on the logic of this? The CC is a co-operative. It has no shareholders, every single penny is ploughed back into the club to expand its sites and services.

 

The directors cannot pay themselves a huge bonus if the club has a good year as their salaries are again, controlled by the members via a remuneration committee.

 

All major policy changes are often suggested and then approved by members. The controversial decision to include EHU wasn't made by a faceless bureaucrat but by another members' committee consisting of caravanners and motorhomers.

 

But what I find odd is this constant complaining about it acting like a business and daring to make money! If it hadn't acted in a business-like manner and made money over all these years it wouldn't be in the position it is now with 200 sites. It wouldn't have had the resources to set up and maintain the superb CL network which is appreciated by many people on here. It wouldn't have the resources to offer the free legal and technical services that members can use.

 

I hardly use the CC sites as I mainly go abroad. But it often saves me money on ferries. I got the best insurance deal I could find through the CC and it's Europe books are a mine of information.

 

It's amazing how many people who seem to be anti-CC still try to get hold of their books!

 

The CC is still a club, albeit a business-like one. All major input is from members and every penny is retained for the club.

 

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Had Enough - 2013-07-27 10:57 AM

 

But what I find odd is this constant complaining about it acting like a business and daring to make money! If it hadn't acted in a business-like manner and made money over all these years it wouldn't be in the position it is now with 200 sites. It wouldn't have had the resources to set up and maintain the superb CL network which is appreciated by many people on here. It wouldn't have the resources to offer the free legal and technical services that members can use.

 

 

My complaint about the CC is not that it is a business but that it pretends to be a Club while behaving as a business. Also, it must be a pretty inefficient business because its charges are almost always greater (by some margin) than those of nearby private sites offering similar facilities (as well as the foreign site rip-offs that I mentioned above).

 

As for the CC books being in demand, I have never seen anyone using them - but everybody I know has the excellent ACSI book which offers much better value.

 

Further, the network of CLs is a network of privately-owned and run sites which are licenced by the CC. The CC has nothing to do with the costs of those sites. Like many others, I am a member of the CC for one reason and one reason only - to gain access to those CLs. Sometimes (but not always) you can get discounts on ferries but I have always found the CC insurance and other services considerably more expensive than the alternatives.

 

Shop at the Club if you wish but your painting of it as a good-value option doesn't work.

 

 

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This thread simply points out that most people have little idea of the true cost of running a business.

 

Comparing a trip such as this with what it would cost independently is pointless. If people wanted to go independently, they would. Some clearly enjoy organised tours for the reason I've stated in another post above,

 

I'm going out to dinner this evening with friends. It's a good restaurant but I imagine that we could make the same meal at home for about a quarter of the price we'll be paying. But we're till doing it. Why is that do you think!

 

The arguments used so far are very simplistic. They gloss over the cost of the tour guides which will be the most expenive input. If it's a local firm it won't be cheap. If it's a couple who are travelling from the UK they'll have to be paid for sixteen days (to include travelling) and they'll have all their expenses including site fees, entrance fees and meals etc.

 

There are insurance costs, advertising and marketing costs, printing of brochures and there has to be a contribution to the back office costs, which is the people back home who run these things and provide the computer support as well as back-up in emergencies etc.

 

I have no idea if these trips represent good value and wouldn't be so presumptuous as to pronounce that they do not, as I have no idea of the cost of all the things I've mentioned and of which most people have never even thought!

 

The only way to determine if they represent good value is to see how they compare with similar trips from other organisations, and that doesn't include cottage rental holidays which are nothing like this trip.

 

But what will determine if they are reasonable value is if people buy them! If they are successful and people find them worthwhile that in itself means that the buyers do consider them good value.

 

If it encourages people to make that first trip abroad, they must be a good thing!

 

Finally and once more, why are people so horrified that the CC would wish to run them at a profit? Should they be subsidised by other members or should they be self-supporting? And profit margins have to be calculated assuming minimum numbers. If they get twice as many as the minimum they'll make more money. If they only get the minimum they'll make much less.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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John 47 - 2013-07-27 11:13 AM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-27 10:57 AM

 

But what I find odd is this constant complaining about it acting like a business and daring to make money! If it hadn't acted in a business-like manner and made money over all these years it wouldn't be in the position it is now with 200 sites. It wouldn't have had the resources to set up and maintain the superb CL network which is appreciated by many people on here. It wouldn't have the resources to offer the free legal and technical services that members can use.

 

 

My complaint about the CC is not that it is a business but that it pretends to be a Club while behaving as a business. Also, it must be a pretty inefficient business because its charges are almost always greater (by some margin) than those of nearby private sites offering similar facilities (as well as the foreign site rip-offs that I mentioned above).

 

As for the CC books being in demand, I have never seen anyone using them - but everybody I know has the excellent ACSI book which offers much better value.

 

Further, the network of CLs is a network of privately-owned and run sites which are licenced by the CC. The CC has nothing to do with the costs of those sites. Like many others, I am a member of the CC for one reason and one reason only - to gain access to those CLs. Sometimes (but not always) you can get discounts on ferries but I have always found the CC insurance and other services considerably more expensive than the alternatives.

 

Shop at the Club if you wish but your painting of it as a good-value option doesn't work.

 

 

The club's site fees are not more expensive than similar quality sites. This is a myth and you ought to have a close look at what private sites charge. I was on an ACSI site in France a few weeks ago. The summer price was over 40 Euro per night and it was a site that was nice but didn't compare with any CC site I've ever been on. One thing you can guarantee with the CC is a superb site with excellent sanitary facilities and spacious pitches. I have found very few in Europe that measure up.

 

But your remarks about the CLs show that you have little idea of what's involved! The club runs a department purely to administer the CL network. There's a large number of inspectors who visit the sites to ensure that they are up to standard and are safe.

 

They have teams who encourage land owners to open CLs and they then give legal and practical advice on setting them up, insuring them and running them efficiently.

 

The club gets no money from the landowner and all this is paid for from its membership fees and what it earns on its other services. Its site network does not make money if head office costs are factored in, something a private business must do.

 

But your argument seems to be that it shouldn't act as a business and it shouldn't try to be profitable! As a member I want it to make a profit. A profit means more sites and better services for us all!

 

But this business of it no longer being a club is an even bigger myth. Perhaps you can expalin what has changed over the last decades? It's still run by its members, and it is!

 

It still has its local centres with keen members who rally and get together regularly. No major decisions are taken without the consent of the executive committees, made up of members.

 

So yes, its bigger, it has ferry bookings and insurance (which often benefit me) and it has its legal services and technical department (free to members).

 

But from the point of the ordinary member, either a keen centre member or a casual user of its sites and CLs, how has it changed. I'd love to know because I can see no difference in these aspects since I first joined 40 years ago!

 

I make no apology for repeating what I read on another forum where someone said:

 

"Over the years the CC has expanded its sites and its services and it has made reasonable profits which it has always ploughed back into the business. It is a co-operative, run by its members, with paid executives responsible for the day to day running. Its membership continues to grow, which in itself proves that it is offering what people want and at prices considered fair.

 

Perhaps we should ask the CC to run the country! It's done a superb job of running itself!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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BGD - 2013-07-27 9:42 AM

 

 

 

The whole damn point of having a MH is to go where YOU want to; .............................

 

/QUOTE]

 

 

Very true.

 

...and if you want to go on an organised tour with other people - have a good trip.

 

 

;-)

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malc d - 2013-07-27 12:00 PM

 

BGD - 2013-07-27 9:42 AM

 

The whole damn point of having a MH is to go where YOU want to; .............................

 

 

Very true.

 

...and if you want to go on an organised tour with other people - have a good trip.

 

 

No, it isn't true! The 'whole damn point' of having a motorhome is to do what you want to do with it, not what some self-appointed commissars of camping decide. Apart from which many of the people on this kind of trip will be caravanners. And presumably they are going where THEY want to go or they wouldn't be going!

 

But this to me highlights the most unpleasant face of motorhomers. Many sneer at caravanners or 'tuggers' as they pejoratively call them.

 

Wild campers sneer at those who use sites and call them boring and unexciting. Those who use sites sneer at wild campers and call them mean and parasitic.

 

Motorhoming is about what you want to do. I mix it. I love wild camping when it's truly wild but I'm not going to stay on an aire with a 'van four feet on either side of me if there's a nice site with decent pitches and services nearby.

 

But I will use an aire if it's spacious and pleasant, which unfortunately rules out many of the hotspots!

 

I stayed on some superb sites on my last trip and we also used aires and wild camped One site in St Jean de Luz was right on the beach and it was a pleasure not to have to worry about water and to have a good shower block thirty yards away. We could leave the 'van without worrying about security and walk or cycle into town. We'd planned on two nights and stayed six!

 

A mile away motorhomers were crammed, and I mean crammed, onto what must be the worst and noisiest aire in France whilst there were brilliant half-empty sites, including a superb municipal just up the road! Why oh why? I think we all know?

 

I just cannot understand how anyone can sneer at people who choose to go on organised trips such as the one that's the subject of this thread. It's not for me but I've been doing this for years.

 

Some people love the company of others and enjoy being in groups. That's more natural for humans than sitting on your own in a lay-by miles from anywhere. They no doubt enjoy the excursions and the restaurant trips and for beginners it's a way of putting your toe in the water of foreign caravanning or motorhoming.

 

Debate the value of these these things by all means, but even that is totally subjective, but please, sneering at and denigrating people just because their type of motorhoming is different from yours is conceited, unpleasant and unnecessary.

 

A motorhome is for one thing and one thing only - to do what you want to do with it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Had Enough - 2013-07-27 12:57 PM

 

Debate the value of these these things by all means, but even that is totally subjective, but please, sneering at and denigrating people just because their type of motorhoming is different from yours is conceited, unpleasant and unnecessary.

 

 

 

8-)............................... (lol) (lol) (lol)

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pelmetman - 2013-07-27 1:09 PM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-27 12:57 PM

 

Debate the value of these these things by all means, but even that is totally subjective, but please, sneering at and denigrating people just because their type of motorhoming is different from yours is conceited, unpleasant and unnecessary.

 

 

 

8-)............................... (lol) (lol) (lol)

 

Thank you. It's nice to know we can agree on something.

 

 

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BGD - 2013-07-27 9:42 AMOthers are of course free to do what they want, but I've never understood this herding, or ghetto instinct at all.The whole damn point of having a MH is to go where YOU want to; not to be coralled, at massive expense.If that's your preference, just book a package tour holiday to that same resort. You'll get ten times better value.The CC seems to exist purely for the benefit of the CC, not for it's members at all.Really, if you haven't got enough gumption to be able to get your van across the Channel and drive a bit on the "wrong side" of the road towards some sunshine without needing constant marshalling and the company of 20 other similarly unadventerous couples throughout, and daily group entertainment laid on, all at utterly stupidly excessive prices; I'm honestly not sure why you bought a motorhome.
Herding and ghetto instinct? That is incredibly presumptuous and superior! Does it occur to you that some people aren't misanthropes and actually enjoy the company of others? And for an elderly couple for example, with a touring caravan, who may never have taken it across the Channel, these organised tours provide an easy introduction to foreign travel.Whilst you are in the middle of nowhere in the evening, wild camping with just your wife and a book for company, for perhaps the tenth night on the run, they will be dining with new friends and enjoying the company of others, people with whom they may well strike up longer friendships.You're obviously happy with your method of camping, good luck to you. But you really shouldn't denigrate those who prefer the company of like-minded people and who enjoy for instance, a tour of a local landmark accompanied by an expert who will take away the trouble of booking things separately and wandering around only half-informed.

 

Or to paraphrase, Its OK to profit from The Old, the Timid and the Insular.

 

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Had Enough - 2013-07-27 12:57 PM

 

malc d - 2013-07-27 12:00 PM

 

BGD - 2013-07-27 9:42 AM

 

The whole damn point of having a MH is to go where YOU want to; .............................

 

 

Very true.

 

...and if you want to go on an organised tour with other people - have a good trip.

 

 

No, it isn't true!

 

The 'whole damn point' of having a motorhome is to do what you want to do with it, ..................

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BGD said that the whole point of having a motorhome is to go where you want to.

 

 

I said - that is very true, - but you then come back with " No, it isn't true"

 

 

But at the same time you think " the whole damn point of having a motorhome is to do what you want with it "

 

I'm glad you actually agree with me.

 

 

 

;-)

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Retread24800 - 2013-07-27 1:24 PM

 

Or to paraphrase, Its OK to profit from The Old, the Timid and the Insular.

 

Mmmm, I really think that you ought to examine your opinions before rushing into print, so to speak!

 

So let's examine your statement but, first of all look up 'insular'. People on this kind of trip are the opposite. They like company and mixing with people. Insular is sitting on your own in a lay-by somewhere.

 

So we'll stick to the old and the timid if you don't mind.

 

First of all, do you think that companies shouldn't provide services for the old and the timid? If you do you're a rather unpleasant person and Saga holidays and many other firms would collapse quickly.

 

Secondly, do you want to ban all kinds of package trips, organised holidays and things to appeal to the elderly and the unadventurous?

 

If you do you're a very unpleasant person.

 

But I'm sure that you're not unpleasant and that you wouldn't want to ban harmless types of holidays which, from their popularity, are what a lot of people want.

 

So if we can assume that you're not horrible and you don't mind the elderly and the timid going on holidays of their choice we move on to the next part of your statement, which is, should firms be able to profit from them?

 

So what's your answer? Do you think that firms should do them at a loss? And if so, why?

 

I'm sure that we can't wait for some further expansion on your comment, which to me, seems extremely cruel at worst, or very silly at best, and, I'm sorry to have to say, has confirmed my earlier view of many motorhomers, that they think their kind of camping or holidays are superior to any other and that anyone who doesn't conform to their stereotype is some kind of fool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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malc d - 2013-07-27 1:58 PM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-27 12:57 PM

 

malc d - 2013-07-27 12:00 PM

 

BGD - 2013-07-27 9:42 AM

 

The whole damn point of having a MH is to go where YOU want to; .............................

 

 

Very true.

 

...and if you want to go on an organised tour with other people - have a good trip.

 

 

No, it isn't true!

 

The 'whole damn point' of having a motorhome is to do what you want to do with it, ..................

.

 

 

 

 

 

 

BGD said that the whole point of having a motorhome is to go where you want to.

 

 

I said - that is very true, - but you then come back with " No, it isn't true"

 

 

But at the same time you think " the whole damn point of having a motorhome is to do what you want with it "

 

I'm glad you actually agree with me.

 

 

 

;-)

 

I don't agree with you because what BGD actually said was:

 

'The whole damn point of having a MH is to go where YOU want to; not to be coralled, at massive expense. '

 

He clearly implied that the people who choose these trips are not going where they want to go but are being imprisoned almost.

 

I know it, you know it and your selective editing of his post to make a cheap point is unworthy of you.

 

I repeat, the fact that people go on these trips must be because they want to! They are going where they want to go! They are not being corralled by anyone!

 

 

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Had Enough - 2013-07-27 2:13 PM

 

malc d - 2013-07-27 1:58 PM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-27 12:57 PM

 

malc d - 2013-07-27 12:00 PM

 

BGD - 2013-07-27 9:42 AM

 

The whole damn point of having a MH is to go where YOU want to; .............................

 

 

Very true.

 

...and if you want to go on an organised tour with other people - have a good trip.

 

 

No, it isn't true!

 

The 'whole damn point' of having a motorhome is to do what you want to do with it, ..................

.

 

 

 

 

 

 

BGD said that the whole point of having a motorhome is to go where you want to.

 

 

I said - that is very true, - but you then come back with " No, it isn't true"

 

 

But at the same time you think " the whole damn point of having a motorhome is to do what you want with it "

 

I'm glad you actually agree with me.

 

 

 

;-)

 

I don't agree with you because what BGD actually said was:

 

 

 

 

I didn't agree with most of what BGD said ...... just the bit I quoted !

 

It seems you didn't realise that.

 

 

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malc d - 2013-07-27 2:18 PM

 

 

I didn't agree with most of what BGD said ...... just the bit I quoted !

 

It seems you didn't realise that.

 

 

;-)

 

Possibly I didn't and I apologise if that's the case, but knowing the full context of BGD's statement, your post was ambiguous to say the least.

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Had Enough - 2013-07-27 11:34 AM

 

The club's site fees are not more expensive than similar quality sites. This is a myth and you ought to have a close look at what private sites charge.

 

 

 

This one sentence sums up one of the main reasons why people treat you the way they do. You make a generalisation without producing evidence and you assume that other people have committed the same sin and not done their homework. I don't post things I can't back up and if you give me the name of any Caravan Club site I am willing to bet that there is more chance than not of me finding you a private one with similar facilities nearby that charges more reasonable rates.

 

While you are looking, I'll give you just a couple of examples: there used to be a private site near where I live. It was very popular and very well-run. When the owners retired they sold to the CC, who promptly trebled the prices!

 

Second, we will be spending the autumn as we have done a couple of times before - touring Cornwall and the south-west. The campsites we will be using (four of them) offer excellent facilities and charge less than half the cheapest CC site and around a third of what most CC sites charge.

 

You are doing the same as those you criticise. When it comes to one of your prejudices you see everything in black and white. The slightest criticism of business has you up in arms. Well, it may come as a surprise to you but there are crap businesses as well as good ones and the CC in my book (and in the books of most of the people I know who are, like me, reluctant members) is not in the good category.

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John 47 - 2013-07-27 3:17 PM

 

Had Enough - 2013-07-27 11:34 AM

 

The club's site fees are not more expensive than similar quality sites. This is a myth and you ought to have a close look at what private sites charge.

 

 

 

This one sentence sums up one of the main reasons why people treat you the way they do. You make a generalisation without producing evidence and you assume that other people have committed the same sin and not done their homework. I don't post things I can't back up and if you give me the name of any Caravan Club site I am willing to bet that there is more chance than not of me finding you a private one with similar facilities nearby that charges more reasonable rates.

 

While you are looking, I'll give you just a couple of examples: there used to be a private site near where I live. It was very popular and very well-run. When the owners retired they sold to the CC, who promptly trebled the prices!

 

Second, we will be spending the autumn as we have done a couple of times before - touring Cornwall and the south-west. The campsites we will be using (four of them) offer excellent facilities and charge less than half the cheapest CC site and around a third of what most CC sites charge.

 

You are doing the same as those you criticise. When it comes to one of your prejudices you see everything in black and white. The slightest criticism of business has you up in arms. Well, it may come as a surprise to you but there are crap businesses as well as good ones and the CC in my book (and in the books of most of the people I know who are, like me, reluctant members) is not in the good category.

 

Some sites down there now accept the ACIS card B-)............for example Polmanter walking distance of St Ives, excellent facilities, bar, swimming pool, restaurant........... £13.75 a night with the card :D

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