At the risk of!! Should we be worried?

[nowtelse2do]

In todays (forum favorite newspaper) DM, and at the risk of starting another slanging match which I hope doesn't happen. Should we be worried about Muhammad becoming the most popular name for baby boys in London for the first time.

 

The single variant Muhammad has topped the list in the capital with 768 registered births this year, ahead of Daniel on 666 >:-) When combined with Mohammed, the name was more than double any other with 1479 boys given the name.

 

Across England, a total of 7032 babies were given the name using the spelling of Muhammad 18th, Mohammed 25th and Mohammad 58th - topping the 6893 that were called Harry.

 

My opinion only......yes we should be worried.........take over by sexual stealth.

 

Dave

 

 

[RogerC]

It was predicted in the late 50's and early 60's that even then the rate of uncontrolled immigration would seriously alter the constituent 'ethnic' make up of the UK population.  Add to that the 'political blindness'....nay encouragement even on the part of Labour (to bolster their voting base) and it is plain for anyone to see that the social make up of the UK will become predominantly 'of foreign origin' in a relatively short period of time. 

 

Just in case some of the presently 'quiet' argumentative types are reading please don't raise the 'we are all foreign' argument again.

 

Press extract: 

 

From mid 2011 to mid 2012....... a major cause of the baby boom is immigration. More than a quarter of all newborns have mothers who were born abroad.

 

Not long now before white Brits will be in the minority.  That's not a racist comment it is a statement of fact. 

 

The percentage of births to foreign born-mothers has increased from 12% in 1991 and 16% in 2001 to 25% in 2011. In 2011, the TFR for non-UK born women was estimated to be 2.29¹   children per woman, compared to 1.90¹ for women born in the UK.

[Tracker]

Worried?

Kinda depends on your age I suppose?

Personally I hope to live long enough for it to become an issue!

That said when you look at the contribution made to the UK economy and sport by so many UK born and raised children with foreign national parents perhaps we should be thankful instead of worried?

[antony1969]

At least it's not one of those religious biblical names like Jacob or Joseph . Keep names and religion separate I say .

[nowtelse2do]

Tracker - 2013-08-13 7:22 PM

 

Worried?

Kinda depends on your age I suppose?

Personally I hope to live long enough for it to become an issue!

That said when you look at the contribution made to the UK economy and sport by so many UK born and raised children with foreign national parents perhaps we should be thankful instead of worried?

 

I doubt if it will affect me Rich, its my grandchild I worry over.

 

antony, is David a biblical name, if yes should I change it? (lol)

 

I think the O/H should changer her's. Eve sounds a bit iffy (lol)

 

Dave

[antony1969]

nowtelse2do - 2013-08-13 7:43 PM

 

Tracker - 2013-08-13 7:22 PM

 

Worried?

Kinda depends on your age I suppose?

Personally I hope to live long enough for it to become an issue!

That said when you look at the contribution made to the UK economy and sport by so many UK born and raised children with foreign national parents perhaps we should be thankful instead of worried?

 

I doubt if it will affect me Rich, its my grandchild I worry over.

 

antony, is David a biblical name, if yes should I change it? (lol)

 

I think the O/H should changer her's. Eve sounds a bit iffy (lol)

 

Dave

 

Yes David is a biblical name but it first appeared in the Harry Potter books and was then ripped off by the bible people and Penguin who published the bible first .

[Tracker]

nowtelse2do - 2013-08-13 7:43 PM

 

I doubt if it will affect me Rich, its my grandchild I worry over.

 

 

Well Dave, looking back a few years, I expect our Grandfathers may well have said the same thing, but here we are and still going strong - if not as strong as we once were - but is that so bad now that we are no longer the world's policeman?

 

We live in a country at peace with the world - well mostly - but not yet with ourselves it seems, and I suspect that over time the UK will prosper and rebuild itself - as long as we don't get too many allegedly socialist governments, that is!!

 

So am I worried about my Grandchildren's future - not really - concerned maybe but not worried!

[nowtelse2do]

Yes, a better word concerned instead of worried so will go along with that.

 

 

 

I wondered why J K Rowling asked if she could use my name. Royalties rip off (lol)

 

Dave

[John 47]

I think this statistic highlights the dangers of relying too much on statistics! In the Muslim community it is common practice to name the eldest son Mohammed but there is no similar tradition in other British communities. Thus the dominance of one name from a minority community can give the impression that this particular community is larger than it actually is. As to whether it is worrying, well I don't tend to get too worried over what other people call their children - although I believe a church recently refused to Christen a child "Messiah"! :-D

[CliveH]

As I understand it - Muslims tend to call their sons Mohamed as a kind of religious tradition that has no real parallels in Western Society.

 

We all tend to have preconceived ideas that are sometimes difficult to see the sense of. For example I was on an interview panel some time ago and a lady who was my boss at the time made a huge mistake when interviewing a candidate. She asked the candidate if it was OK to be informal during the interview and call each other by our respective Christian Names. The candidate responded that she was Muslim.

 

My boss simply did not register that she had used the term Christian Name when it would have been better to use the term "First Name".

 

When this was pointed out to her, my boss (one of the nicest people I have ever met) was upset that she had done this. The ramifications could have been significant. But the candidate just said "no problem" and carried on.

 

So names in the Muslim world are applied differently. As I say - as I understand it the name Mohamed is often given to nearly all males as a kind of title. It is a religious honorific.

 

A few years ago, a Christian Teacher in a Muslim country got into trouble for calling the class Teddy bear Mohamed.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7115821.stm

 

I have no idea why Muslims would find this offensive - because my son had a Teddy bear we called Tom.

 

I understand that any human physical representation of the Prophet Mohamed such as a cartoon is offensive as well.

 

I have no idea why this is - it is beyond my comprehension given that we go to church and pray to a depiction of Jesus hanging on a cross. We have bibles for children with pictures.

 

We have no problem with individuals interpreting our religion in pictures and or words.

 

So i suggest that this report re the percentage of children being named Mohammed is not much to get worked up about.

 

Just don't draw him or name your Teddy after him.

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Edit - John - missed your post - yes it would make more sense if it was the first born - this would have parallels with our past history where land title was passed to the first born male.

 

Interesting - had not thought of that. Thanks

 

 

[Guest pelmetman]

We need more Dave's ;-)................perhaps we should all write to "Call me Dave" and get him to instigate a "Save our Dave's" campaign :D.....

 

Maybe extra tax relief for every family with a Dave B-)............

[John 47]

This thread has got me thinking about names in general and how some parents seem to think of what to call their children while drunk. Apart from the idiots who name their offspring after complete football teams, I have several examples from my teaching days that I'd better not mention in case any of those people are on this forum :-D . However, my wife used to have a colleague called Rupert Bear!

 

[CliveH]

My Dad used to make us laugh with the story of Simon, one of his co-workers who was christened (see how easy it is to use such terminology! :-S) Simon, Harold, Iain and his last name was Thompson.

 

He could never put his initial on anything.

[Tracker]

I used to work with a guy called Michael Terrence Box - M T Box - and as the poor chap was not the sharpest knife in the drawer he was quite proud to have the obvious nickname 'empty'!

[Archiesgrandad]

Names can be so tricky, before our son was born we decided that we did not wish to know in advance which sex, so, for family reasons we chose two names that would fit either sex - Ashley/Ashliegh and Francis/Frances. He resents it with every breathe he takes and accuses us of lacking imagination.

I always said that I would have settled for another cocker spaniel.

AGD

[Tracker]

Archiesgrandad - 2013-08-14 11:56 AM

I always said that I would have settled for another cocker spaniel.

AGD

 

A lot less trouble and expense that's for sure!