Yet another senseless attack

[CliveH]

This time in Gosport -

 

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/thug-jailed-for-gosport-attack-1-5465830

 

A mans life ruined and his assailant boasted about it afterwards.

 

The sentence was 64 months jail. Which means the thug will probably be out in 32 months.

 

Considering the severity of the attack I am appalled at a sentence of just over 5 years.

 

It should have been double or even triple that.

 

The victim may still be alive - but his life is destroyed - his brain damage is such that he now needs care 24/7.

 

 

[antony1969]

Not read or seen anything on this Clive , unfortunately those men in wigs or the rules that dictate the length of sentences need a great big kick up the backside .

Another poor victim and family let down by a very sad system , at least the thug will be able to enjoy a selection of decent meals each day , get fit in the gym , take a course in something if he desires and loads of other things all at our expense .

[CliveH]

It was on our local news last night.

 

A 50 year old bloke who just asked some lads to be quiet as they were outside his elderly mothers place and they turned on him

 

The Thug stomped on the blokes head 12 to 15 times - leaving him permanently brain damaged.

 

The Thug has a history of previous violence.

 

Another thug held back the victims brother so that he could not help. That Thug got 27 months. Again far too little.

 

No doubt it is "Societies fault".

 

I just hope that the sentence is reviewed and increased.

 

 

[nowtelse2do]

How could the family of the man say that justice had been done? 64 months sentence and knowing he will not serve nothing like that. It sounds like he should have been done for attempted murder.

 

Dave

[Guest pelmetman]

Used to live in Gosport, it was always a bit rough *-).................Sadly I'm not surprised at the sentence handed down by our so called judiciary >:-( ............

 

No doubt he'll spend his life in and out of prison leaving a trail of victims behind :-|

[CliveH]

To both Dave's - very much agree. :-S

 

 

 

[John 47]

CliveH - 2013-09-07 7:55 AM

No doubt it is "Societies fault".

 

 

I have not heard anyone make that claim in this horrific case but your point does illustrate a major ill in society today. Whenever something bad happens, it is common to look for someone else to blame. Not enough people take responsibility for their own actions - whether it is spilling boiling hot coffee in their lap or committing a major crime. It seems that there will always be someone to say that it is not their fault and a lawyer to urge them to make a financial claim (and I say that as someone who is married to a lawyer - not one who dealt with such claims, I hasten to add!). I blame the Americans! ;-)

[Syd]

John 47 - 2013-09-07 10:26 AM

 

I have not heard anyone make that claim in this horrific case but your point does illustrate a major ill in society today. Whenever something bad happens, it is common to look for someone else to blame. Not enough people take responsibility for their own actions - whether it is spilling boiling hot coffee in their lap or committing a major crime. It seems that there will always be someone to say that it is not their fault and a lawyer to urge them to make a financial claim (and I say that as someone who is married to a lawyer - not one who dealt with such claims, I hasten to add!). I blame the Americans! ;-)

 

 

 

Don't be foolish blaming the Americans, we all know it is the Martians fault

[PJay]

pelmetman - 2013-09-07 9:35 AM

 

Used to live in Gosport, it was always a bit rough *-).................Sadly I'm not surprised at the sentence handed down by our so called judiciary >:-( ............

 

No doubt he'll spend his life in and out of prison leaving a trail of victims behind :-|

 

Guess you lived in Gosport, when in the navy. Not so many sailors there now as was. Still a rough place to live, due partly to the dockyard , laying off staff, and there is a lot of new building of houses, so I guess more riff raff will be housed there. They are developing Rowner, where a lot of Navy houses used to be, (my Son lived there in late 70,s)

 

Hope your recovery goes well Dave, don't make too much of a nuisance of your-self on here!!

[John 47]

Syd - 2013-09-07 11:32 AM

Don't be foolish blaming the Americans, we all know it is the Martians fault

 

(lol)

[Guest Peter James]

CliveH - 2013-09-07 7:55 AM

A 50 year old bloke who just asked some lads to be quiet as they were outside his elderly mothers place.

I guess the other side gave a different version and there was no proof.

News reports tend to over simplify these things, perhaps for the benefit of readers of limited intelligence, or because it makes a better story.

But in my experience it is never simply Good v Bad, there is Good and Bad on both sides.

 

I have worked with young offenders, (teaching them bricklaying.) You have to strike a balance. There were times when I was scared of them, but would never show it or my control over them would evaporate. But I still had to remember they were younger and fitter than me, full of testosterone and bravado, to talk down to them like kids and challenge them in front of their mates could have been very unwise.

[nowtelse2do]

Peter James - 2013-09-07 3:50 PM

 

CliveH - 2013-09-07 7:55 AM

A 50 year old bloke who just asked some lads to be quiet as they were outside his elderly mothers place.

I guess the other side gave a different version and there was no proof.

News reports tend to over simplify these things, perhaps for the benefit of readers of limited intelligence, or because it makes a better story.

But in my experience it is never simply Good v Bad, there is Good and Bad on both sides.

 

I have worked with young offenders, (teaching them bricklaying.) You have to strike a balance. There were times when I was scared of them, but would never show it or my control over them would evaporate. But I still had to remember they were younger and fitter than me, full of testosterone and bravado, to talk down to them like kids and challenge them in front of their mates could have been very unwise.

 

Peter, he boasted about it on his phone so there wasn't a different version.

 

Dave

[Guest Peter James]

nowtelse2do - 2013-09-07 4:55 PM

 

Peter, he boasted about it on his phone so there wasn't a different version.

 

Dave

 

So, he went outside, said 'Please be quiet as you are outside my elderly mothers place.' and for that alone they kicked his head in.*-)

I don't think so.

I have worked with some very bad lads but I am sure they wouldn't do that, for that alone.

(and that is not what he said on his phone is it)

I am not trying to justify anything, but I think there is more to it than what we have been told.

 

To them 50 is old, and there is no kudos in beating up an old man - unless he came outside as the aggressor.

[enodreven]

Hi, Such a sad event which appears to happen all to frequently ?

 

A bit off topic but It does make me wonder whether there should be some medical/scientific investigations into why some people commit crimes and some don't.

 

I don't personally think it is only the way you are brought up, I really do think there is a fundamental difference between people, that really should be investigated in a similar manner to they do for hereditary diseases.

 

What makes some people call out to someone telling them that they have dropped something and others who just wait until they have gone and pick it up for themselves.

 

I know this seems insignificant but there are so many things that I and I'm sure a lot of you just wouldn't think of doing because it is wrong, but others just don't see it, they really can't tell right from wrong no matter how bad the consequences are, they just can't help themselves, DON'T READ THIS AS I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM, AS I DON'T AND I WOULD THROW AWAY THE KEY.

 

But we can't go on just putting them back in prison, we really need to do something to stop them committing the crimes ? I do really think criminals have a different set of gene's from the rest of us ?

 

 

[teflon2]

John 47 - 2013-09-07 10:26 AM

 

CliveH - 2013-09-07 7:55 AM

No doubt it is "Societies fault".

 

 

I have not heard anyone make that claim in this horrific case but your point does illustrate a major ill in society today. Whenever something bad happens, it is common to look for someone else to blame. Not enough people take responsibility for their own actions - whether it is spilling boiling hot coffee in their lap or committing a major crime. It seems that there will always be someone to say that it is not their fault and a lawyer to urge them to make a financial claim (and I say that as someone who is married to a lawyer - not one who dealt with such claims, I hasten to add!). I blame the Americans! ;-)

err bigotry ? *-)

[John 47]

teflon2 - 2013-09-07 8:17 PM

 

John 47 - 2013-09-07 10:26 AM

 

CliveH - 2013-09-07 7:55 AM

No doubt it is "Societies fault".

 

 

I have not heard anyone make that claim in this horrific case but your point does illustrate a major ill in society today. Whenever something bad happens, it is common to look for someone else to blame. Not enough people take responsibility for their own actions - whether it is spilling boiling hot coffee in their lap or committing a major crime. It seems that there will always be someone to say that it is not their fault and a lawyer to urge them to make a financial claim (and I say that as someone who is married to a lawyer - not one who dealt with such claims, I hasten to add!). I blame the Americans! ;-)

err bigotry ? *-)

 

err - joke! (lol)

[John 47]

teflon2 - 2013-09-07 8:17 PM

 

John 47 - 2013-09-07 10:26 AM

 

CliveH - 2013-09-07 7:55 AM

No doubt it is "Societies fault".

 

 

I have not heard anyone make that claim in this horrific case but your point does illustrate a major ill in society today. Whenever something bad happens, it is common to look for someone else to blame. Not enough people take responsibility for their own actions - whether it is spilling boiling hot coffee in their lap or committing a major crime. It seems that there will always be someone to say that it is not their fault and a lawyer to urge them to make a financial claim (and I say that as someone who is married to a lawyer - not one who dealt with such claims, I hasten to add!). I blame the Americans! ;-)

err bigotry ? *-)

 

err - joke! (lol)

[antony1969]

Peter James - 2013-09-07 7:02 PM

 

nowtelse2do - 2013-09-07 4:55 PM

 

Peter, he boasted about it on his phone so there wasn't a different version.

 

Dave

 

So, he went outside, said 'Please be quiet as you are outside my elderly mothers place.' and for that alone they kicked his head in.*-)

I don't think so.

I have worked with some very bad lads but I am sure they wouldn't do that, for that alone.

(and that is not what he said on his phone is it)

I am not trying to justify anything, but I think there is more to it than what we have been told.

 

To them 50 is old, and there is no kudos in beating up an old man - unless he came outside as the aggressor.

 

Yes he obviously deserved all he got . Maybe came out a bit aggressive , totally deserved .

[antony1969]

John 47 - 2013-09-07 10:26 AM

 

CliveH - 2013-09-07 7:55 AM

No doubt it is "Societies fault".

 

 

I have not heard anyone make that claim in this horrific case but your point does illustrate a major ill in society today. Whenever something bad happens, it is common to look for someone else to blame. Not enough people take responsibility for their own actions - whether it is spilling boiling hot coffee in their lap or committing a major crime. It seems that there will always be someone to say that it is not their fault and a lawyer to urge them to make a financial claim (and I say that as someone who is married to a lawyer - not one who dealt with such claims, I hasten to add!). I blame the Americans! ;-)

 

Bit harsh John . not all Americans are bad , James T Kirk , Superman was an adopted American , The KKK , Britney Spears to name but a few .

[pkc]

"It's society fault"

 

An important point, and one that we don't really like to admit too.

Compared with the fairly innocent temptations we were exposed to, The deluge of TV advertisements, video and film violence and easily obtained pornography must surly have an effect on the shaping of the character of youngsters today.

Also the constant and insistent pressure to buy the latest fashion in clothes, trainers, etc, is of an entirely different level.

I watch in despair seeing some young cash strapped mum trying to resist the pleas of their children to buy this brand of expensive trainer, or this latest Nike/Holister top, Because "everybody at school has got them"' and not to have them will label them as a 'Dork'.

So possibly 'society' is to blame, the society that you, me, and everyone else built, that lets big business turn our children into mere consumers.

Everyone who stood by and failed to protest about the level and the realism of the violence depicted in TV, films, and the addictive all consuming Video 'games' that we allow them to possess.

Most on here willI remember the badman, who being shot through the heart collapsed to the floor without the merest spot of blood, or the villain who when caught red handed raised his hands and responded to Dixon's command to " come along quietly now" with equanimity.

We lived in innocent times, and consequently grew up as relative innocents.

I am not suggesting that we can go back to these days, or that this was the cause of this attack, and we never really get behind the headline grabbing sensational version.

I fear that history will not judge us lightly, and think that we failed our children.

To use a computer term, 'rubbish in, rubbish out' .

 

Anyway, myself I blame the Venusians.

 

[John 47]

pkc - 2013-09-08 9:40 AM

 

"It's society fault"

 

An important point, and one that we don't really like to admit too.

Compared with the fairly innocent temptations we were exposed to, The deluge of TV advertisements, video and film violence and easily obtained pornography must surly have an effect on the shaping of the character of youngsters today.

Also the constant and insistent pressure to buy the latest fashion in clothes, trainers, etc, is of an entirely different level.

I watch in despair seeing some young cash strapped mum trying to resist the pleas of their children to buy this brand of expensive trainer, or this latest Nike/Holister top, Because "everybody at school has got them"' and not to have them will label them as a 'Dork'.

So possibly 'society' is to blame, the society that you, me, and everyone else built, that lets big business turn our children into mere consumers.

Everyone who stood by and failed to protest about the level and the realism of the violence depicted in TV, films, and the addictive all consuming Video 'games' that we allow them to possess.

Most on here willI remember the badman, who being shot through the heart collapsed to the floor without the merest spot of blood, or the villain who when caught red handed raised his hands and responded to Dixon's command to " come along quietly now" with equanimity.

We lived in innocent times, and consequently grew up as relative innocents.

I am not suggesting that we can go back to these days, or that this was the cause of this attack, and we never really get behind the headline grabbing sensational version.

I fear that history will not judge us lightly, and think that we failed our children.

To use a computer term, 'rubbish in, rubbish out' .

 

Anyway, myself I blame the Venusians.

 

You raise some interesting points but at the end of the day we are all responsible for our own actions. When our children were at school there was the same pressure that you describe to have the latest trainer etc but, because we brought up our children to value different things then that pressure was relatively easy to resist. I remember that when our daughter was 13 she began to want to go along with the pressure, so we said that she could have a clothing allowance and spend it on what she wanted. When she realised the cost of things, she decided to spend that allowance in Oxfam rather than on Designer stuff! And now she is an adult with a family of her own, she has passed that way of life onto her children.

 

I do agree very much with you, however, that society today concentrates far too much on consumerism and the sort of computer/television violence that tends to numb the mind to reality - if you allow it to. In our day, we had Tom and Jerry and there were people who thought that would scar a generation of children. Prior to that, there was Little Red Riding Hood.....and so on. There are unsavoury influences out there - and always have been - but if you allow yourself to be sucked in you have to bear the responsibility yourself.

 

I know my wife made a good living out of the blame game - but it is probably because we have seen so much of it that we are whole-heartedly fed up with it (other than blaming the Americans for everything, of course :-D )

[pkc]

" blaming the Americans for everything, of course"

 

Not all of them I hope John? :-D

 

Bigot! :->

[John 47]

pkc - 2013-09-08 10:10 AM

 

" blaming the Americans for everything, of course"

 

Not all of them I hope John? :-D

 

Bigot! :->

 

Joke! (lol)

[Guest pelmetman]

Unfortunately its always someone else's fault *-)........................couple that with a judiciary that suffers under the belief that rehabilitation is better than retribution >:-(.................hence you have a under class that knows no better..........indeed it is a way of life............because the worst that can happen is a few months board and lodging at Er madges pleasure :-S....

[CliveH]

I have heard of "the system" working - tho I agree, it seems to be an all to rare event.

 

There was a lad from round here that was a known little "gob-$hite" - he was arrogant and rude and had a nasty temper. I came up against him when he beat my son up and he was cautioned for it.

 

The look on his face was pure contempt for all and sundry.

 

His "problem" was that is stupid mother thought the sun shined out her sons backside and that he could do no wrong. He ended up being "known to the Police" and liked to think of himself as a bit "hard"

 

Then he messed up big time.

 

He went down to Bournemouth and got rat-ar$ed then drove home. He lost it on the Bournemouth Spur Road and knowing he was drunk he ran off and said that his car was stolen.

 

It took the Police about 30 seconds to work out what had really happened - helped by the CCTV cameras that left an audit trail that all the bull-shirt i the world could not deny.

 

On top of all his other "activities" and warnings he was given 6 months. He was now too old to be treated as a juvenile so it was proper grown up prison where by all accounts he was very popular such that he walked i a strange way and had difficulty sitting down.

 

When he got out he was a changed person. He moved away and by all accounts has settled down and has genuinely learned his lesson.

 

I would suggest that we are far too lenient with some children and let them get away with it for too long and for too many times so that they end up overstepping the mark and bouncing up against the law very hard indeed.

 

Sometimes the shock of this "wakes them up" as seemed to happen here. But other times a stay inside acts as a "University" for crime and they come out better able to do it and not get caught.

 

I have no idea what the answer is - but stopping that Thug BEFORE he went on the literally beat a guy permanently senseless has got to be on the agenda.