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pepe63 - 2013-09-26 11:25 AM

 

Oh!..so you weren't really after info' and assistance then?.. you were just having a half hearted poke a van conversions.. *-)

 

Honestly..Moi is astonished! How low can some go eh Pepe! ;-)

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Half hearted poke at van conversions you say. What a sad situation. I get the impression you are annoyed because I won't go down the same gutter as you. The initial question was to see if any genuine owners had had any water ingress problems. I have every respect for campervan owners and like many other coach built owners, sometimes consider a van conversion for a change. I rest my case.
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Roland, so after all this mystery, you praise an Elddis, but wont name the other make. All I can say is you were very, very lucky, with your Elddis, ours has been a lot of trouble, including viynl floor bubbling, doors falling off, water system failures aand with no help from said maker! Thank goodness for a good dealer. I am at a loss to understand your OP.

Oh Great Video Judge.

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I can't speak for all Roland, but I know several van owners who have had internal water leaks due to poorly fitted or faulty fittings and pipework but I have never heard of anyone having a water ingress issue - yet.

 

On the other hand tales of water ingress issues on coachbuilt and A class, not all of which are old, are many and expensive to fix.

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rolandrat - 2013-09-26 12:29 PM

 

Half hearted poke at van conversions you say. What a sad situation. I get the impression you are annoyed because I won't go down the same gutter as you...

 

What!? 8-)

 

Well,like a few on here by the sounds of it, I was probably more baffled, than "annoyed"... *-)

 

I/We assumed you we posting a serious query..a query which some of us, in trying to help,took the time and trouble respond to..

 

Just a shame you couldn't have gone to the same lengths when posting your question(s)...

 

You may as well have titled the thread, "I've seen a stain on the floor of a van...have you?" *-)

 

 

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It seems that I could have worded the question wrong but water within the bodywork comes from somewhere whether from internal pipework or externally fitted things such as windows, fridge vents and roof fittings. I would settle for an internal problem because of the bleaching of the water system that could have seeped under the floor due to a faulty pipe connection. If bleach hadn't been used then maybe it could have gone undetected for some time. I think the strength of the bleach has caused the vinyl to deteriorate and make it look as though it had been stained with either beetroot or red wine. It's a pity I'm not more computer literate or I would have posted a photo of the offending vinyl, then you could form your own opinions. The layout of the camper is a rear lounge with a side fridge and wardrobe and opposite cooker and sink.
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Bleach is often used to kill mould and fungal growth as well as to mask any odours of rotting wood, from whatever source, internal or external, so no conclusions should be drawn from the aroma - except that there has been a water leakage problem somewhere at some time.
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Mrs T - 2013-09-26 1:32 PM

 

Roland, its no use you getting grumpy about the replies, you started the thread and now you don't like what is said, if you had explained in the first place what you were aiming for it would have been much si

mpler.

It will take a lot to make me grumpy and the negative replies are to be expected but the positive ones are very welcome. Yes I started the thread and I'm far from disliking what has been said.

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We once were mortified to arrive onsite and find the carpet absolutely sodden, the cause? The flush tank of the wc has a little transparent tube to help you see how full it is, and that had come off at the top end. We must have just knocked it accidentally somehow when servicing the loo, but boy does a little water go a long way. On the upside, the carpet was spotlessly clean as the pink stuff had worked its magic. Ours is a panel van conversion. *-)
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josie gibblebucket - 2013-09-26 4:17 PM

 

We once were mortified to arrive onsite and find the carpet absolutely sodden, the cause? The flush tank of the wc has a little transparent tube to help you see how full it is, and that had come off at the top end. We must have just knocked it accidentally somehow when servicing the loo, but boy does a little water go a long way. On the upside, the carpet was spotlessly clean as the pink stuff had worked its magic. Ours is a

panel van conversion. *-)

Thanks Josie,

Another area to consider.

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In one of our replies I mentioned a very slow dripping joint.

 

A similar situation happened in a friends house. He had installed an ice maker. After some 3 years he had floor specialists in because floor the tiles were rocking due to the chipboard underneath swelling. No one could find an answer.

 

Eventually drips from the ice maker were found to be the cause, they were so slow that unless you laid on the floor for an hour none would be seen but over 3 years they had an effect.

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So, Roland, lets get to the nub of all this, shall we please?

This van that you've seen, are you looking to buy it, or trying to glean info on the possible cause of the leak in order to help a friend or acquaintance?

I ask as I am interested to understand the urgency if any of getting to the resolution or are we just chewing the cud about whether a PVC can actually get wet from external as well as internal sources?

Also, are you in a position to check out any of the suggestions put forward and to report back?

People on here generally want to help someone who has an issue but if you are just after a chat then this isn't really a 'motor home matter' is it?

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Does it really matter what reason - if any - and nobody ever said it was urgent - did they?

 

The sharing of information is for the greater good and many amongst us have probably learnt something from this thread?

 

Surely there is nowt wrong with a 'cud chewing' - I thought that is what a forum was all about - friendly chat between people with similar interests?

 

Although it could be said that cows chew the cud and they end up as seat covers and burgers - so perhaps we had better be careful!

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Thanks for that Rich, If that guy thinks that I need to justify my reasons for putting forward a question that could benefit other van conversion owners or people considering downsizing it beggars belief. As I have previously said, I own a very late model AutoTrail Apache 634 Platinum not a van conversion. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't be interested in one at some later stage. This forum is for the benefit of all but some people can be put off with some of the petty back snipeing that some times rears its head.
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For heavens' sake Roland'.?.:-S

 

Nobody's "snipeing" or asking you to "justify" anything,(by the way "that guy's" name is Chris..it's there on his post ;-) )

 

Most of us have tried offer help and to make some sense out of your strangely "evasive" thread..and yet for some bizarre reason, you've refused to mention the make, model or even age of this van that has supposedly experienced this "water ingress"(or leak or spill..who knows which?)...So how is anyone is supposed to deduce the possible cause and help..?

 

Without knowing the above, I can't see how a load of us "surmising" what it may or may not be, is going to be of "benefit" anyone? :-S

 

Oh well......

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Yes, sorry Rich and Roland, not casting aspertions in any direction, just trying to help in what seemed like a call for assistance in locating a 'real' problem that could be worked through where help is given, suggestions tried and, hopefully, solutions reached.

This certainly didn't start as a cud chewing thread, I thought we were dealing with a real problem but one where the OP didn't want to taint the water by revealing the brand of the van.

If all we were after was chat about the possible ways in which water might get into a van where every response could only be greeted with 'yes, that could be a reason' rather than being able to test it, then I might not have bothered.

All we have ended up with is a potential list reasons for damp with a bleachy tinge which may have been what Roland was after but was not what it seemed (to me and many others) he was asking for in his OP.

SOrry if I was confused.

 

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We're all confused Chris, so you're not alone there!

 

No apology needed whatsoever though, as your view is as valid as anyone else's.

 

Hopefully we are all adult enough to be able to speak our minds and agree or disagree as we have with no insults, name calling or bad feeling to be carried on ad infinitum from thread to thread.

 

Life's too short to fall out over nothing, innit!

 

 

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Just to back track a little, what spurred me on to put the question about water ingression was because I had come across it when looking at a van conversion. How the water/damp had ended on the interior floor I don't know. As has been suggested and every ones response could be right it could have come from various sources. In putting the question I was wondering if there are any owners on the forum who might have had the misfortune to have had a problem and how it had been put right. Van conversions have very limited space as we all know and to get at a particular area would involve major disruption of the built in units. The make and model is of no consequence because it could happen to any van conversion that has a steel base and timber lined floor topped with a vinyl covering. Some one maybe the owner, in his wisdom might have realised that a bad smell had developed and assumed that maybe it could be the waste water or fresh water system was smelling and treated the systems with bleach which because of a hidden leak could have made the matter worse because the bleach was unable to disperse being trapped in the voids of the sandwich floor. It is all hypothetical, I know, but if I can get some one to let me know the cause I'll be the first to put every ones mind at rest.

 

 

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Gravity being what it is any liquid will always end up on the floor and will run to the lowest point to accumulate.

 

This also means that the stain on the floor may be a long way from where the 'event' happened.

 

This often happens with coachbuilts where a water leak in the roof tracks along the timber and runs out at a lower point and this can make finding the source of a leak both expensive and time consuming.

 

If the stain is bone dry and old I would not worry about it other than to seek an assurance from the vendor that it is historical and will not recur - and a price reduction to cover the risk and stain.

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Lots of assumptions there! (again) ratty *-)

 

One thing, you don't get rising damp in a panel van....All motorhomes can spring a leak and damage interiors, if the interior poor quality damage more likely noticeable. And as for the bleach theory laughable......... sorry if this doesn't suit your frankly delusional "CB good PVC bad" nonsense.

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rolandrat - 2013-09-27 10:08 AM

 

Just to back track a little, what spurred me on to put the question about water ingression was because I had come across it when looking at a van conversion.

 

 

Some one maybe the owner, in his wisdom might have realised that a bad smell had developed and assumed that maybe it could be the waste water or fresh water system was smelling and treated the systems with bleach which because of a hidden leak could have made the matter worse because the bleach was unable to disperse being trapped in the voids of the sandwich floor.

 

 

It is all hypothetical, I know, but if I can get some one to let me know the cause I'll be the first to put every ones mind at rest.

 

Still struggling a little here, Roland, tho we can try to move forwards if possible.

 

If you came across this while looking at a van conversion, was it not possible to speak to someone where the van was was sited, owner etc? Similarly, as you know where the van was (for sale, possibly?) could you go back or contact them to ask your question?

 

Yes, the owner may have been the one to cause the markings you have seen and, if possible, this is the chap to speak to.

 

Surely, the 'someone to let you know the cause' is not likely to be waiting around on this forum with information so that 'you can be the first to put everyone's mind at rest'.

 

This seems destined to become a thread that could last forever as there will be no definitive answer as to what caused the distinctive markings you saw.

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I can assure every one who has shown an interest in this question that if I can find out the cause I'll let you know including the make and model. I agree that liquid finds its own level and can be some distance from the leak. The answer won't be overnight because extensive work will be taking place soon. As I have mentioned if I was computer literate I would post a picture, I've tried to follow instructions but have failed. The pictures that I took have been transferred off my camera to the computer but to get them onto this forum isn't happening. I can e-mail them in the normal manner no problem any where as long as I have an address. If you saw the vinyl covering you would think that the problem was from above not below as is the case. My initial thinking was about a red wine stain or beetroot and that the owner had tried to remove it with some sort of remedy and failed. He then might have resorted to the bleach which has obviously made the matter worse. Maybe he just threw a bucket full in in frustration and walked away.

Anyway lets wait and see if there's going to be a happy ending.

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